Updating the Reason Browser
- EnochLight
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While having a waveform scrubber in the browser would be sweet, I think it's more important for them to add other basic things that it's lacking still - like tags/metadata and cached "instant-result search" (think typing into Google) for starters. And then of course the infamous drag-and-drop MIDI files without creating an ID8 (ugh!), and drag-and-drop into the mixer.
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I really dislike predictive searches, they slow things up so much... if I want to search for the tag 'drum synth' on kvr for example it drags through so many irrelevant matches before I can select what I want. A pet peeve of mine, big time. Let me at least type a whole word before you start going through the gazillion letter per letter matches!EnochLight wrote: ↑21 Oct 2017While having a waveform scrubber in the browser would be sweet, I think it's more important for them to add other basic things that it's lacking still - like tags/metadata and cached "instant-result search" (think typing into Google) for starters. And then of course the infamous drag-and-drop MIDI files without creating an ID8 (ugh!), and drag-and-drop into the mixer.
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One of the reasons I switched to DuckDuck was predictive/suggested search results. What occurs to me though if that search function was there could you also search for samples you have never played/heard or used in any song would there be stats associated. That might be interesting.Zac wrote: ↑22 Oct 2017I really dislike predictive searches, they slow things up so much... if I want to search for the tag 'drum synth' on kvr for example it drags through so many irrelevant matches before I can select what I want. A pet peeve of mine, big time. Let me at least type a whole word before you start going through the gazillion letter per letter matches!EnochLight wrote: ↑21 Oct 2017While having a waveform scrubber in the browser would be sweet, I think it's more important for them to add other basic things that it's lacking still - like tags/metadata and cached "instant-result search" (think typing into Google) for starters. And then of course the infamous drag-and-drop MIDI files without creating an ID8 (ugh!), and drag-and-drop into the mixer.![]()
With you with the ID8 there should be at least shift or ctrl to not create one (also drag to rack! Audio/Midi). Why there is no preview of midi from the browser though is a head scratcher!
**A built midi player, Drag to rack for ID8, Shift drag to rack to create the midi lane on the sequencer without the device.
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Fair point, but predictive search done the right way could work much better in Reason's browser. It would certainly be a lot faster compared to the way it currently works. For instance, watch how search works in Studio One 3.5.x:Zac wrote: ↑22 Oct 2017I really dislike predictive searches, they slow things up so much... if I want to search for the tag 'drum synth' on kvr for example it drags through so many irrelevant matches before I can select what I want. A pet peeve of mine, big time. Let me at least type a whole word before you start going through the gazillion letter per letter matches!EnochLight wrote: ↑21 Oct 2017While having a waveform scrubber in the browser would be sweet, I think it's more important for them to add other basic things that it's lacking still - like tags/metadata and cached "instant-result search" (think typing into Google) for starters. And then of course the infamous drag-and-drop MIDI files without creating an ID8 (ugh!), and drag-and-drop into the mixer.![]()
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I'm all for having a midi preview in the browser.AttenuationHz wrote: ↑22 Oct 2017Why there is no preview of midi from the browser though is a head scratcher!
**A built midi player, Drag to rack for ID8, Shift drag to rack to create the midi lane on the sequencer without the device.
A simple square wave previewer would be welcome, but maybe have a dropdown list of all your current project devices to send the file to. So I could preview midi drum files through track 2 processing, for example, which has my drum machine loaded. Or it previews to what ever track you have selected in the sequencer.
I wish when you have a bunch of loops in your song that you could right click any sample and select 'locate' and it would return your browser to the parent directory of that loop. Its pretty frustrating that there is no reference to a loop's pathway after adding it to the project. I have an extensive collection of loops and it damn near impossible to find where it was after adding it... reason obviously know where to find it right? sharing that little tidbit of info would be most helpful.
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That sounds useful.evolve187 wrote: ↑30 Oct 2017I wish when you have a bunch of loops in your song that you could right click any sample and select 'locate' and it would return your browser to the parent directory of that loop. ...I have an extensive collection of loops and it damn near impossible to find where it was after adding it... reason obviously know where to find it right? sharing that little tidbit of info would be most helpful.
I think one small feature can make inserting instruments and effects much faster, at least for me. When I press Ctrl+I for instruments or Ctrl+F for effects I got browser focused on instruments/fx folder, but cursor is not in the search field, so I need to manually left mouse click on the search field and only after it I can type desired instrument/effect (I know I can use up/down arrows to browse through the list, but it's very slow). I would much prefer after pressing Ctrl+I or Ctrl+F that browser focus with a cursor in search filed so I can type the name instantly. It will be much speedier, IMO.
Also, it will be very good if they add specific shortcuts for inserting Players and Utilities.
Of course I'm fully agree with tempo-synced prelistening (very useful for drum loops, for ex.), small waveform in the browser and very much improved browser speed. Tags (or color groups a-la Ableton) will be very welcome addition too.
Also, it will be very good if they add specific shortcuts for inserting Players and Utilities.
Of course I'm fully agree with tempo-synced prelistening (very useful for drum loops, for ex.), small waveform in the browser and very much improved browser speed. Tags (or color groups a-la Ableton) will be very welcome addition too.
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The Props should really take a large bite from the loopcloud sample manager and implement at least the tagging sorting preview and time-stretch features.
Samples:
Also ADSR Sample Manager works as VST...but its just for Audio.
But drag and drop works.
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Browser
A good and fast Browser for me is from Bitwig DAW, he finds all what i type in and separted to categories "Instrument", "FX", "Sample" and 2 more.
Shows me how much he found. Can look like this in Reason:
![Image](https://www.bilder-upload.eu/thumb/4fb75d-1569718936.png)
Bigger image:
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Also if you type when Instrument selected, but you need a FX, then the search field clears, after selecting another Category.![Laughing :lol:](./images/smilies/icon_lol.gif)
Procedur in Bitwig:
I hit + to add FX or Instruments or Samples, Browser opens, i can just type "ser" and serum vst shows up, instant, no [Enter] need. Also all Samples and FX in another Categoy Tabs shows with a "..ser.." in it. When i am in the Instrument Folder i just need "arrow down", Serum is selected then, because its just one Plugin found, hit [enter] and i am done, plugin is loaded. If more Plugins are found i can just hit arrows until i found my Plugin.
Its a bit faster than clicking and droping. But if i remember i bounce some Serum Samples, and dont want the Plugin, i can search all Catergorys without that search field goes empty.
Also ADSR Sample Manager works as VST...but its just for Audio.
But drag and drop works.
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Browser
A good and fast Browser for me is from Bitwig DAW, he finds all what i type in and separted to categories "Instrument", "FX", "Sample" and 2 more.
Shows me how much he found. Can look like this in Reason:
![Image](https://www.bilder-upload.eu/thumb/4fb75d-1569718936.png)
Bigger image:
https://www.bilder-upload.eu/bild-4fb75 ... 6.png.html
Also if you type when Instrument selected, but you need a FX, then the search field clears, after selecting another Category.
![Laughing :lol:](./images/smilies/icon_lol.gif)
Procedur in Bitwig:
I hit + to add FX or Instruments or Samples, Browser opens, i can just type "ser" and serum vst shows up, instant, no [Enter] need. Also all Samples and FX in another Categoy Tabs shows with a "..ser.." in it. When i am in the Instrument Folder i just need "arrow down", Serum is selected then, because its just one Plugin found, hit [enter] and i am done, plugin is loaded. If more Plugins are found i can just hit arrows until i found my Plugin.
Its a bit faster than clicking and droping. But if i remember i bounce some Serum Samples, and dont want the Plugin, i can search all Catergorys without that search field goes empty.
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It was that create and leave approach Mattius mentioned in the recent Mimic stream. Sad really. Things just get abandoned. Something I also noticed in Reaper recently which is also so basic yet so handy, is, if you're browsing samples in a folder, it puts a dot next to the samples you've already auditioned, so handy if you're randomly auditioning samples in a folder with say 50+ samples in there, to know which ones you've already auditioned.stratatonic wrote: ↑08 Oct 2017I think it would be great to have a visual of a waveform in the browser.
You could start playback at any point in the waveform. Sometimes I have no clue at times what is on any particular file. And I'm starting at the beginning each time in the Reason Browser - sometimes with a bunch of silence before the audio kicks in.
The recent Grain video shows this can be done in Reason as an instantaneous reading of the wav file is displayed as it is dragged into Grain - time referenced here:
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I've actually used the Reaper browser (Media Explorer) beside Reason at times. It can do a bit more than a play wait and hear preview.
I can even drag a file from the Reaper browser right into Reason.
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Since Reason can now do this with Grain, and there are time and pitch shifting abilities in Reason already, how easy would it be to implement any of that into Reason - sorta like this?: (excuse the crappy cut and paste)
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Browser Reason w extras.jpeg
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And maybe even highlight a section of the preview and import that right into the sequencer...
Does anyone have any thing they would like to see added to the Reason browser?
Or is it fine the way it is?
.AND OF COURSE, I think we have all come to expect that there are SOME workflow enhancements in every upgrade.
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Where are you sending this MIDI data if there is no device associated with the data? In other words, why have MIDI on a track that doesn’t send it anywhere?AttenuationHz wrote: ↑22 Oct 2017**A built midi player, Drag to rack for ID8, Shift drag to rack to create the midi lane on the sequencer without the device.
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I would absolutely love to be able to browse samples by descriptive terms, such as browsing for all dark and ambient kicks or thin dry snares etc. I realize it’s currently fantasy since there is SO much other stuff to address first, but I can dream…
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In Reaper 4.78 shown, if you select a track header, the midi file from Reaper's browser will play through that track. Selecting another track will send the midi data there. It can be done. Not sure why RS can't get this done either.selig wrote: ↑27 Aug 2021Where are you sending this MIDI data if there is no device associated with the data? In other words, why have MIDI on a track that doesn’t send it anywhere?AttenuationHz wrote: ↑22 Oct 2017**A built midi player, Drag to rack for ID8, Shift drag to rack to create the midi lane on the sequencer without the device.
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You're right, and sadly not much has been done with the browser over 4 major versions. I should just give up and just use the Reaper Browser when I have to find/audition audio and midi files, because I kinda suspect that even if RS does attempt to add stuff like that in, it just won't be as quick and easy as with Reaper. It's kinda frustrating , when you just want to stay in one programCreativemind wrote: ↑27 Aug 2021It was that create and leave approach Mattius mentioned in the recent Mimic stream. Sad really. Things just get abandoned. Something I also noticed in Reaper recently which is also so basic yet so handy, is, if you're browsing samples in a folder, it puts a dot next to the samples you've already auditioned, so handy if you're randomly auditioning samples in a folder with say 50+ samples in there, to know which ones you've already auditioned.
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Good idea and another good idea that's in Reaper, a New VST section where if you've just installed a VST it automatically displays in there for 24hrs. Not sure if it's 24 hrs from the time of install or 24 hrs of having the daw open. I say the first one. So you can easily just install a VST and know where to find it, it'll be in that new section and PLEASE Reason Studio's, add scanning the VST folder without having to shut down Reason and open it again.chaosroyale wrote: ↑17 Oct 2017I'd like a feature to HIDE devices and REs that we do not use. Especially with the new bloated list of devices in R10.
Also from Reaper, you can route the browser to a track to audition with effects or whatever effects are on that track, it also puts a dot next to previously auditioned samples in a folder so that you can see which ones you've already auditioned and it will be blank if you go out of that folder and back in, another one from Reaper, reverse auditioning (great if you want a reverse crash, just audition through crashes with reverse on).
And +1 to a refresh button for folders. Wanted this years.
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Maybe I wasn’t clear, I thought the idea was to be able to put midi clips in tracks without devices, not to browse midi clips. Did I totally misunderstand?stratatonic wrote: ↑27 Aug 2021In Reaper 4.78 shown, if you select a track header, the midi file from Reaper's browser will play through that track. Selecting another track will send the midi data there. It can be done. Not sure why RS can't get this done either.
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Re-reading, I think you were clear - I think maybe a quick tired scan of the first sentences of both posts led to assumption of a midi file player. Would be nice to have though!selig wrote: ↑30 Aug 2021Maybe I wasn’t clear, I thought the idea was to be able to put midi clips in tracks without devices, not to browse midi clips. Did I totally misunderstand?stratatonic wrote: ↑27 Aug 2021
In Reaper 4.78 shown, if you select a track header, the midi file from Reaper's browser will play through that track. Selecting another track will send the midi data there. It can be done. Not sure why RS can't get this done either.
reaper midi play browser.jpeg
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When I hit the I/O button in Media Explorer, I only get options of stereo/mono outs. Where/how do you route to FX? Or is this in a newer version? - I'm on v4Creativemind wrote: ↑28 Aug 2021Also from Reaper, you can route the browser to a track to audition with effects or whatever effects are on that track
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It's called, "Play through selected track". Works for auditioning midi files too (or midi files in the Media Browser will audition with the instrument sounds of whichever track in the Track Control Panel you have selected.) "Play through selected track" was added in version 5.0 though. Top listing here in the Media Explorer section.stratatonic wrote: ↑30 Aug 2021When I hit the I/O button in Media Explorer, I only get options of stereo/mono outs. Where/how do you route to FX? Or is this in a newer version? - I'm on v4Creativemind wrote: ↑28 Aug 2021Also from Reaper, you can route the browser to a track to audition with effects or whatever effects are on that track
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Thanks for taking the time to post that.Creativemind wrote: ↑30 Aug 2021It's called, "Play through selected track". Works for auditioning midi files too (or midi files in the Media Browser will audition with the instrument sounds of whichever track in the Track Control Panel you have selected.) "Play through selected track" was added in version 5.0 though. Top listing here in the Media Explorer section.stratatonic wrote: ↑30 Aug 2021
When I hit the I/O button in Media Explorer, I only get options of stereo/mono outs. Where/how do you route to FX? Or is this in a newer version? - I'm on v4
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No worries.stratatonic wrote: ↑31 Aug 2021Thanks for taking the time to post that.Creativemind wrote: ↑30 Aug 2021
It's called, "Play through selected track". Works for auditioning midi files too (or midi files in the Media Browser will audition with the instrument sounds of whichever track in the Track Control Panel you have selected.) "Play through selected track" was added in version 5.0 though. Top listing here in the Media Explorer section.
Screenshot_20210831-023603_Samsung Internet.jpg
https://youtu. be/jxU-opt5y cU?t=230Looks like I'm missing a few features being on v4. (That video is depressing comparing Media Explorer to the Reason Browser - and that's from the last version
though there's still a lot of stuff that was in v4 too)
Why don't you upgrade? I was gonna say, "isn't it free?" but you're going to a new version cycle, 4 to 5 so is there a charge? if there is knowing Reaper it'll be cheap.
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I've no idea post was from 2017...
Midi file preview in the browser would suffice.
Midi file preview in the browser would suffice.
It is not too much of an ask for people or things to be the best version of itself!
stratatonic wrote: ↑08 Oct 2017I think it would be great to have a visual of a waveform in the browser.
You could start playback at any point in the waveform. Sometimes I have no clue at times what is on any particular file. And I'm starting at the beginning each time in the Reason Browser - sometimes with a bunch of silence before the audio kicks in.
The recent Grain video shows this can be done in Reason as an instantaneous reading of the wav file is displayed as it is dragged into Grain - time referenced here:
.
I've actually used the Reaper browser (Media Explorer) beside Reason at times. It can do a bit more than a play wait and hear preview.
I can even drag a file from the Reaper browser right into Reason.
.
Browser REAPER w REASON.jpeg
.
Since Reason can now do this with Grain, and there are time and pitch shifting abilities in Reason already, how easy would it be to implement any of that into Reason - sorta like this?: (excuse the crappy cut and paste)
.
.
Browser Reason w extras.jpeg
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And maybe even highlight a section of the preview and import that right into the sequencer...
Does anyone have any thing they would like to see added to the Reason browser?
Or is it fine the way it is?
.AND OF COURSE, I think we have all come to expect that there are SOME workflow enhancements in every upgrade.
1. Be able to take sample from Reason browser in Rack Plugin and drag to DAW.
2. Be able to Resize browser in Rack Plugin.