Announcing Reason 13

[selig]

Also, where's the mod matrix? They've attached it to all of their instruments since Thor, but now they decide to throw it away?

I think it’s clear there was only one mod matrix in stock this time around, and they decided (finally) to let an FX device have it. /s

[AnotherMathias]

Crossfade is a nice novelty feature. I just wish it was attached to a more robust virtual analog instrument along the lines of Diva.

Also, where's the mod matrix? They've attached it to all of their instruments since Thor, but now they decide to throw it away?

At this point it all comes down to taste. Personally I like the Reason Studios synths best when the designers gets to stay within their vision of what makes a fun, versatile, and fast instrument. IMHO they are masters at avoiding feature bloat.
For my taste, the everything-for-everyone synth VSTs out there are pretty tedious and dull to use. And mod matrixes are no fun at all.

It seems to me that Polytone was somewhat inspired by UAD Polymax, a sleek and fun VST I like a lot. Polytone is essentially two Polymaxes with the very significant ability to morph all parameters added. If they have succeeded in giving it a juicy analog character (and I have high hopes for this, since I feel that Complex, and even Monotone does this well), it's most certainly non just a throwaway basic standard thing.

[crimsonwarlock]

If they have succeeded in giving it a juicy analog character (and I have high hopes for this, since I feel that Complex, and even Monotone does this well)

There are sound examples on the RS-website, so you can get a taste of how it sounds. There are also several demos available in the SuperBooth videos. But beware, if you say it sounds nice (or not), you might get your messages removed.

[robussc]

The issue there is all the devices that don’t support patch loading.

My hope is that custom device tags will be added. That would fit in with the design of the new sidebar and browser. And it would be better than the existing favorites lists imo.

Good point

[selig]

If they have succeeded in giving it a juicy analog character (and I have high hopes for this, since I feel that Complex, and even Monotone does this well)

There are sound examples on the RS-website, so you can get a taste of how it sounds. There are also several demos available in the SuperBooth videos. But beware, if you say it sounds nice (or not), you might get your messages removed.

I only remove messages saying it sounds bad, so just keep praising it and you're OK.

[mimidancer]

Jupiter is indeed the main force of attraction(if we are calling gravity a force) But Io's surface is littered with the scars of what Jupiter solicited.

Sounds like Reasontalk is definitely Io then

one-hundred percent.

[mimidancer]

you see boring and I see possibilities. My polybrute can morph from one patch to another. But it cost me 2500 dollars and it only has 6 voices(I do love it). Does Uhe make a synth that can morph between patches? plus the modular nature of Reason opens up so many more possibilities. I understand not needing any more synths. BUT I do not understand not wanting anymore.

Crossfade is a nice novelty feature. I just wish it was attached to a more robust virtual analog instrument along the lines of Diva.

Also, where's the mod matrix? They've attached it to all of their instruments since Thor, but now they decide to throw it away?

it does more than crossfade. Reason has combinator. everything has a mod matrix.

[robussc]

Also, where's the mod matrix? They've attached it to all of their instruments since Thor, but now they decide to throw it away?

My guess is they thought it didn't fit the old-school analog vibe? (Monotone also doesn't have one).

[SynthGang]

I don’t see anything about the forum in your post which I quoted,

I made it clear, again, I'M NOT IN THE R13 BETA-PROGRAM. It's right there, in the part you quoted.

but my point is you have access to beta information which you know not to share here. Or maybe you don’t know

I do know. That's why I discussed only things that are publicly available, and all discussed in this topic here before, EVEN BY YOU !!!!!!!

I politely asked the moderators what/why were your posts removed. I also politely mentioned that to post anything in this forum is to walk on eggshells.

Mere mention/questioning of this was enough to get my post deleted. While I wish to respect the forum's rules and guidelines and have no intention of fostering animosity towards the moderators, I would be remiss to not point out that the censorship and tone policing in this forum is, at times, beyond the pale...

[Pepin]

Also, where's the mod matrix? They've attached it to all of their instruments since Thor, but now they decide to throw it away?

The morph feature interpolates parameters between the two engines.
In this context, the dedicated modulation knobs make a lot of sense. They let you easily see how one engine's modulation settings will morph into the other's.
It would be less intuitive if you were instead interpolating between two completely different mod matrix setups.

[selig]

Also, where's the mod matrix? They've attached it to all of their instruments since Thor, but now they decide to throw it away?

The morph feature interpolates parameters between the two engines.
In this context, the dedicated modulation knobs make a lot of sense. They let you easily see how one engine's modulation settings will morph into the other's.
It would be less intuitive if you were instead interpolating between two completely different mod matrix setups.

That's an excellent point I hadn't considered before, that you can't morph between two unknown or empty parameters. Thus, to morph predictably between two synth engines you need either a fairly simple system that is based on identical engines (has the same exact preset routings possible in both engines), or is so advanced it's not even using a traditional interface (maybe something AI based?).
Ideally you need as many controls to be continuous (without steps) as possible for smooth transitions during morphing, so two separate mod matrixes would be right out!
Great observation.

[Billy+]

when I hear workflow improvements what I want to see is stuff like this : -

grabbing a handful of samples and having kong / redrum / rex / nn / mimic.. just assign them - not the tools we have had for years just being moved...

[Neo]

I made it clear, again, I'M NOT IN THE R13 BETA-PROGRAM. It's right there, in the part you quoted.

I do know. That's why I discussed only things that are publicly available, and all discussed in this topic here before, EVEN BY YOU !!!!!!!

I politely asked the moderators what/why were your posts removed. I also politely mentioned that to post anything in this forum is to walk on eggshells.

Mere mention/questioning of this was enough to get my post deleted. While I wish to respect the forum's rules and guidelines and have no intention of fostering animosity towards the moderators, I would be remiss to not point out that the censorship and tone policing in this forum is, at times, beyond the pale...

Given the amount of negativity towards RS I can understand admins/mods jumping on and deleting posts (to a degree). The eggshell comment is valid IMO, I even second guessed posting this. Anyway.. I hope 13 is successful and i end up liking the new browser/workflow!

[manoob]

I bought Omnisphere and promptly returned it for a full refund after spending a solid week with it.

There are only three types of people in the world: those that understand Omnisphere and those that can't count. The latter probably end up as moderators on some godforsaken forum.

Any synthesis, any sample, any sound, moderated with anything. That's why they can charge so much for it. I asked my mate, Gary, and he said:

Then Omnisphere 2 came out and, honest to God, you could buy that and not need anything else. It’s a career in a box - it’s that good.

Which is ironic, because he doesn't believe in any god.

omnisphere is absolutly amazing and powerful synth in use by many top producers around.. Trillian is great too
as for sound quality luna vs reason , on luna you can use 32 bit flow and that helps improve the sound quality compared to 24 bit. but its more resourceful. and yes you can get more analog sound but also api summing helps add punch to your drum easily and uad sound interfaces got decent converters. best is luna is free for uad hardware users. now if reason had implemented ai mixing, or a ai synth where it can creat sounds by just examples i be more interested in reason upgrade. we live in a time of whole new range of daw coming,question is which companies will have the vision to create it for us...

[tewoc]

Please: No AI requests or features, we really do not need it in our analog Reason Studio .

When you want to master your tracks with AI, there are a tons of websites providing different solutions - good solutions.

Look here for example:

https://masterchannel.ai/wezclarke

-> You can even try one song for free - so stop requesting AI mastering please (do not steal dev's ressorurces )

First we need as soon as possible all the 10 year old requests like Folders, loopers, tempo loop / sync of audio files + visual audio file preview or Midi Comp recording..

Thanks.

[selig]

I politely asked the moderators what/why were your posts removed. I also politely mentioned that to post anything in this forum is to walk on eggshells.

Mere mention/questioning of this was enough to get my post deleted. While I wish to respect the forum's rules and guidelines and have no intention of fostering animosity towards the moderators, I would be remiss to not point out that the censorship and tone policing in this forum is, at times, beyond the pale...

Given the amount of negativity towards RS I can understand admins/mods jumping on and deleting posts (to a degree). The eggshell comment is valid IMO, I even second guessed posting this. Anyway.. I hope 13 is successful and i end up liking the new browser/workflow!

We are doing exactly what we always do during beta testing. If this ever went beyond the pale, I would bail (speaking for myself).

[Neo]

Given the amount of negativity towards RS I can understand admins/mods jumping on and deleting posts (to a degree). The eggshell comment is valid IMO, I even second guessed posting this. Anyway.. I hope 13 is successful and i end up liking the new browser/workflow!

We are doing exactly what we always do during beta testing. If this ever went beyond the pale, I would bail (speaking for myself).

Indeed.

[EnochLight]

While I wish to respect the forum's rules and guidelines and have no intention of fostering animosity towards the moderators, I would be remiss to not point out that the censorship and tone policing in this forum is, at times, beyond the pale...

The eggshell comment is valid IMO, I even second guessed posting this.

Well, to be fair - we've been accused of far worse things.

omnisphere is absolutely amazing and powerful synth in use by many top producers around.. Trillian is great too
as for sound quality luna vs reason , on luna you can use 32 bit flow and that helps improve the sound quality compared to 24 bit. but its more resourceful. and yes you can get more analog sound but also api summing helps add punch to your drum easily and uad sound interfaces got decent converters. best is luna is free for uad hardware users. now if reason had implemented ai mixing, or a ai synth where it can creat sounds by just examples i be more interested in reason upgrade. we live in a time of whole new range of daw coming,question is which companies will have the vision to create it for us...

See now, this is a great response to my post. You avoided ad hominems, which Davey was not capable of doing. I appreciate that, manoob!

[mind2069]

Reason 13 is a good addition for Reason users but I don't think it will attract any new "fan base", I mean a new synth and a delay aint going to make anyone pull the trigger, no one going to go, wow look at the browser, I'm getting this.

They did a great move with Reason as a plugin. but they should massively improve the sequencer, audio editing (things like VocAlign integrated) other than that, I don't know where they can go to attract new users.

I love Reason 12 for the workflow, the new combinator and cable routing

One thing I do not like is the visual direction it's taken, this bland, dual tone lifeless scheme (gray and black)

Even the new browser seem to have all gray/black icons but in Reason 12 the left bar has color icons

Saying this cause I just saw Luna going on Windows and visually, that's what I wish Reason would look like but keeping the same workflow.

I stumbled on the old bar (image on google) (start stop rec ect) and seing the one in Luna, it's look so much better than the current 2 tone gray colors.

[EnochLight]

Reason 13 is a good addition for Reason users but I don't think it will attract any new "fan base", I mean a new synth and a delay aint going to make anyone pull the trigger, no one going to go, wow look at the browser, I'm getting this.

They did a great move with Reason as a plugin. but they should massively improve the sequencer, audio editing (things like VocAlign integrated) other than that, I don't know where they can go to attract new users.

I love Reason 12 for the workflow, the new combinator and cable routing

One thing I do not like is the visual direction it's taken, this bland, dual tone lifeless scheme (gray and black)

Even the new browser seem to have all gray/black icons but in Reason 12 the left bar has color icons

Counterpoint: winning new Reason users over for the DAW portion is likely a tall order, as it has been for the past decade - hence why the addition of a new synth and new delay effect, as well as some useful utility effects and browser enhancement with tagging will find a lot of use in RRP. Meanwhile, they have enhanced the core DAW portion for the Reason DAW holdouts that still prefer to work in Reason, so - we both win.

As of 2024, I seriously do not see Reason DAW ever winning over many new customers. For the reasons we've already talked about, there are just much more mature options out there for core sequencer stuff, and Reason Studios would have to spend literally the next several (major) versions ONLY doing core sequencer changes to catch up - and then they'd be accused of feature-bloat instead of the signature "Propellerhead Reason-way" that they've cultivated for almost 2 & 1/2 decades.

[spacepluk]

One thing I do not like is the visual direction it's taken, this bland, dual tone lifeless scheme (gray and black)

Even the new browser seem to have all gray/black icons but in Reason 12 the left bar has color icons

Saying this cause I just saw Luna going on Windows and visually, that's what I wish Reason would look like but keeping the same workflow.

This is so subjective, I'm enjoying the new look... and I use some of the UAD stuff because it sounds good but I don't like their UI at all.

[Carpainter]

At this point it all comes down to taste. Personally I like the Reason Studios synths best when the designers gets to stay within their vision of what makes a fun, versatile, and fast instrument. IMHO they are masters at avoiding feature bloat.
For my taste, the everything-for-everyone synth VSTs out there are pretty tedious and dull to use. And mod matrixes are no fun at all.

I like almost all of RS's instruments, but sometimes their singular vision ends up crippling what could otherwise be a near-perfect instrument. Imagine Complex-1 with multi-voice polyphony, for example.

It seems to me that Polytone was somewhat inspired by UAD Polymax, a sleek and fun VST I like a lot. Polytone is essentially two Polymaxes with the very significant ability to morph all parameters added. If they have succeeded in giving it a juicy analog character (and I have high hopes for this, since I feel that Complex, and even Monotone does this well), it's most certainly non just a throwaway basic standard thing.

We'll have to wait and see how it sounds. I'm just disappointed in the feature set. I wish they had set the bar higher for their first polyphonic subtractive synth in 17 years.

[chimp_spanner]

One thing I do not like is the visual direction it's taken, this bland, dual tone lifeless scheme (gray and black)

Even the new browser seem to have all gray/black icons but in Reason 12 the left bar has color icons

Saying this cause I just saw Luna going on Windows and visually, that's what I wish Reason would look like but keeping the same workflow.

This is so subjective, I'm enjoying the new look... and I use some of the UAD stuff because it sounds good but I don't like their UI at all.

Also digging the new look. Reason is visually a lot busier than just about any DAW out there. I think having the Rack ‘framed’ by something clean and minimal works quite well. But yet, that is obviously a subjective thing!

[SynthGang]

Given the amount of negativity towards RS I can understand admins/mods jumping on and deleting posts (to a degree). The eggshell comment is valid IMO, I even second guessed posting this. Anyway.. I hope 13 is successful and i end up liking the new browser/workflow!

We are doing exactly what we always do during beta testing. If this ever went beyond the pale, I would bail (speaking for myself).

I totally understand the want/need to keep any information from beta testing getting out into the wild (it is a beta after all) and fully respect those wishes.

Forgive me for belabouring the point here but, to my understanding - and unless I'm missing something - CrimsonWarlock did not say anything that wasn't publicly available knowledge. To wit, I also made comments that were deleted, and I have absolutely zero "inside information" or access to the beta.

Respectfully, I think it is clear that posting critical or dissenting opinions on ReasonTalk can be a risky exercise. Much like the right-hand man of a despot may feel free to critique his leader, yet can never be certain that his words won't ultimately seal his fate.

That being said, and to keep this post on topic, I'm always hopeful that Reason Studios will deliver - I'm just highly skeptical of the value proposition currently on offer.

[SynthGang]

While I wish to respect the forum's rules and guidelines and have no intention of fostering animosity towards the moderators, I would be remiss to not point out that the censorship and tone policing in this forum is, at times, beyond the pale...

The eggshell comment is valid IMO, I even second guessed posting this.

Well, to be fair - we've been accused of far worse things.

Fair enough I do appreciate you being able to have a laugh! I'm definitely not wanting to be disrespectful towards you guys!