Hi All!
Just hearing something about exponential envelopes on synths. Supposedly it's crucial for programming drum timbres (I think kicks mainly but may be others).
So I got onto a tutorial on linear vs exponential envelope shapes on Lynda,com.
Basically, it's (I think to sum up quickly) a more curved envelope.
What I want to know is though, does this only apply to anologue synths or do any vst / Re synths have exponential envelopes?
If so, any good ones?
Thanks!
Exponential Envelopes
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Expanse yes, Europa not sure but...
The Charlotte Envelope Generator (looking at the 9 stage envelope pic on top right of the device) doesn't look Exponential. The attack should curve up like this if it was exponential:-
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Just looked in the manual. How do you know the Subtractor's envelopes are exponential?
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Charlotte is a bit tricky - the "curve" parameter is the option you are looking for. And you can find a visual explanation of the curves on the backside of the device.
Connect e.g. the Subtractor Mod Env Out to a visual CV analyzer (such as Pongasoft CVA-7). There you can watch the curve shape.Creativemind wrote: ↑18 Oct 2017Just looked in the manual. How do you know the Subtractor's envelopes are exponential?
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Ahhhh ok. Nice one.madmacman wrote: ↑18 Oct 2017Connect e.g. the Subtractor Mod Env Out to a visual CV analyzer (such as Pongasoft CVA-7). There you can watch the curve shape.Creativemind wrote: ↑18 Oct 2017Just looked in the manual. How do you know the Subtractor's envelopes are exponential?
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Creativemind wrote: ↑18 Oct 2017You wouldn't be so kind as to screenshot an example, very interested! would like to see it in action
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In Reason (and for comparison purposes), Subtractor has more exponential envelopes, Thor has linear - but you can make Thor act more exponential by scaling an envelope by itself (basically ‘squaring’ it, mathematically speaking if I’m not mistaken). This affects all time stages (ADR) so not as good as having control over each stages curve. We were just recently discussing how Absynth introduced this concept many years ago and I’m still surprised to see this feature missing from many synths. Even new synths such as Europa have a dedicated (and thus not bypass-able) simple ADSR, though all of the other envelopes support user variable curves for every envelope stage.
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It's a bit ironic that Grain and Europa have such simple amp envelopes compared to their mod envelopes. A weak point imo.selig wrote: ↑19 Oct 2017In Reason (and for comparison purposes), Subtractor has more exponential envelopes, Thor has linear - but you can make Thor act more exponential by scaling an envelope by itself (basically ‘squaring’ it, mathematically speaking if I’m not mistaken). This affects all time stages (ADR) so not as good as having control over each stages curve. We were just recently discussing how Absynth introduced this concept many years ago and I’m still surprised to see this feature missing from many synths. Even new synths such as Europa have a dedicated (and thus not bypass-able) simple ADSR, though all of the other envelopes support user variable curves for every envelope stage.
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