Which legacy utility or effect devices would you like to see upgraded to 2.0 versions in the future

[Re8et]

After the Combinator 2.0, I am expecting some other stuff 2.0. I'd love some updates on some of the old core
stuff that made Reason, maybe not replacing it entirely as was the case with the Combinator, which didn't break
retrocompability btw... 5 votes each for the pool.

Matrix editor ( a new one, maybe with song mode, multichannel, etc)
Line Mixer 6:2 (built in FX?)
Mixer 14:2 (better EQ?)
All small, half rack modules, DL, Unison, Reverb, Filter, Dist... 2.0 with the same form factor...

Is it an impossible request or is it feasible that we could get these upgrades in the next Reason 13 update,
or we will have to wait for Reason 14?

We had some notable upgrades over the years included in the stock modules also I'm very happy for...
All new players are a sort of Matrix 2.0, but in reality they are not, at least not how I imagine it should be.
Also... Dr. Rex... Has the format been abandoned???


Som of the Stuff that got updated

Combinator 2.0 < Combinator
BV-X Multimode Vocoder (Is it stock now?) < BV512 Vocoder
Stereo Tool < MClass Stereo Imager
Pattern Mutator < Matrix
PolyStep Sequencer < Matrix
Ripley Space Delay < Space Echo < DL-16
Pulveriser Demolition Unit < Scream 4 Sound Destruction Unit
Grain Sample Manipulator < NN-XT Advanced Sampler
Quartet Chorus Ensemble < CF-101 Chorus/Flanger
Sweeper Modulation Effect < ECF-42 Envelope

[challism]

I think the title of this post is confusing. Shouldn't it ask a question like: Which legacy utility or effect devices would you like to see upgraded to 2.0 versions in the future?" instead of what it says now?

[Re8et]

I think the title of this post is confusing. Shouldn't it ask a question like: Which legacy utility or effect devices would you like to see upgraded to 2.0 versions in the future?" instead of what it says now?

fixed to your suggestion

[mcatalao]

First and foremost, the last 3 batch of effects and instruments RS included in Reason 11, 12 and 13 answeer a lot of the older effects.

So stuff like DDL 1, Phaser, chorus, etc will not have a 2.0 version, imho. From that list at most, i think we will have some sort of Matrix 2.0 in the form of a player, not a CV device.

RPG8, already has a more advanced arpeggiator as a player, and it can work single or dual mode. So I don't see either the need or any way to that happen.

ID8 is a path deviation from the Record times. I think all its sounds exist in NN-XT, or sampled refills and NN-XT is by all meanings 1000x more advanced and more versatile than ID8. So instead of ID8, i think reason studio should think about upgrading NN-XT or have a newer multi sampled sampler. Mimic, despite being quite a workhorse, lacks a lot functionality for nn-xt! If possible with hd streamming.

And if you think about PEQ 2 and Comp 01, the mixer comp and eq ported to single devices are already upgrades to those. So i guess at least half of what you proposed on your list, already has an update in the form of a new, big, stronger, and better sounding device, imho.

Where i think reason studios should invest is the sequencer, and there was a small one in this version, thoug i think it its a pale effort for the things i think are missing in the sequencer.

A good start would be:

- Track Folders
- Auto Punch in/Out
- Retrospective Recording (midi at least)
- Track Freezing

Cheers!

[Re8et]

And if you think about PEQ 2 and Comp 01, the mixer comp and eq ported to single devices are already upgrades to those. So i guess at least half of what you proposed on your list, already has an update in the form of a new, big, stronger, and better sounding device, imho.

I don't consider any of the new bigger version devices as un update to the old mini utilities.
Much of their appeal is that they are 'mini' half rack, and the only with such a small footprint.
Anyway I pointed some of them, like the Chorus and the sweeper, as being upgrades.
Imho.

ID8 could be upgraded with full Midi packages, libraries like some old Roland, Korg, and other old Midi devices.
What you say it's true. When loading a Midi song, there are always better sounds to choose from
than the standard ID8 sounds. But the ID8 is the default Midi device that get loaded when
opening a Midi song. So it still makes sense to have a newer Midi specific player with extended libraries.
I'm also not sure if the ID8 reads Midi CC differently from what a NN-XT would?
Not sure about it.

[avasopht]

For me it's more a question of how legacy devices are upgraded.

A few general enhancements:
1. Analog knob where appropriate.
2. DAC (Triton Extreme VST has this and allows you to have to output pass through an analogue modelled tube amp).
3. Unison with detune and for some devices, more advanced drift settings.
4. Oversampling for synths (where applicable, as some wavetables modules in Thor don't seem to need it).
5. Audio-CV ports.
6. Device gain knob with a simple compression, limiting or soft-clipping control (with some mini display to guide user control).

Specific devices:
1. ID8: Extend until it's more in line with Xpand!2
2. Thor: fix that bug to open its full capabilities as an insert effect.

Some devices have sections that would work great as individual utilities. But since you want to avoid device pollution, maybe a device with a stack of changeable sections taken from legacy devices with some matrix routing or something to turn it into a super FX monolith.

[dioxide]

Subtractor is missing from the list. I'd probably add the effects from Europa and other more recent RS synths.

[mcatalao]

And if you think about PEQ 2 and Comp 01, the mixer comp and eq ported to single devices are already upgrades to those. So i guess at least half of what you proposed on your list, already has an update in the form of a new, big, stronger, and better sounding device, imho.

I don't consider any of the new bigger version devices as un update to the old mini utilities.
(...)

But they in fact are, they are stil very small footprint devices.
And id8 was result of a path deviation.

I stand by that opinion. That being said, and in case that part of my post got drowned in the rest, my take is that RS should continue a good evolution of the sequencer. And by that i mean, an evolution with new functionality. Not changing colors, or putting the same things on different places (i still believe what they did to the toolbox and the editor is a mess).

[hamsterfactor]

Wishful thinking, as RS has their work cut out for them fixing Reason 13.

[Popey]

I would like pulsar lfo to get some love but instead of just lfo have it expanded into a lfo/mseg/envelope device with a number of different options (say 8 lfo's, 8 msegs etc).

That way it is a good utility device for modulation.

[dioxide]

Wishful thinking, as RS has their work cut out for them fixing Reason 13.

I'm not sure if any of us believe any of this would actually happen.

[Loque]

Just add some basic features which ppl asking for decades and I am happy. As an example why has the EQ no CV control for everything? Or the Matrix no automation control for everything? Sigh...

[bxbrkrz]

If you replace the word 'legacy' with either 'vintage' or 'classic' the value of these devices gets better and better over time, as is.

[eusti]

Maybe include sysex handling for the Midioutput Device?

[Abstrax]

this poll seems ill-advised. because yaknow whatever wins will be put last on the list of things that actually happen lol

[Steedus]

The Matrix > After using Robotic Bean's Sequencer, The Matrix could be improve a lot (doesn't need to have every feature of Sequencer, but more could be added for sure.

Auto Retro Trans > Could easily make a sequel device to this with different snapshots of effects (having more than 16 effects might make it too busy).

Redrum > I still think a simple Force mono button for each channel would be great for when you load a sample that's stereo but doesn't need to be. Also a reverse button per channel too

[michael.jaye]

ECF-42 Envelope Controlled Filter - to include notch and high pass filter types

COMP-01 Compressor/Limiter to include sidechain input

[huggermugger]

Matrix, the most-voted item in this poll, is easily outgunned by Robotic Bean's excellent Step sequencer. It has a Conditions lane, an extra CV Curve lane, scales, step-recording, rests and ties, seven different playback modes, shuffle on not only 16ths, but also 8ths and 1/4s, step repeat and ratchet options, global editing of gate width and velocity, visualization of events in non-displayed octaves, realtime MIDI control of pitch and scale, numerous CV inputs and outputs on the back, and even a CV pitch quantizer.

[Mataya]

This goes for almost all devices in Reason. Just find a better Re, buy it and be happy. I doubt they'll ever update anything. (cos of the implications)

Step note recorder needs a randomizer. Also the ability to just enter a note without the need of recording into it first. Every device need a randomizer actually.

M

[zoidkirb]

Voted for Spider cv splitter/merger update. Having multiple ins and outs per connection like how vcv and cherry modular handle things would be nice.

Also voted for dr Rex upgrade. It works fine now the addition of some of Mimics sample manipulation features would be good.

[huggermugger]

Step note recorder needs a randomizer. Also the ability to just enter a note without the need of recording into it first. Every device need a randomizer actually.

M

You don't need to record into Step to enable mouse entry. Just set the pattern length and go.

[huggermugger]

Voted for Spider cv splitter/merger update. Having multiple ins and outs per connection like how vcv and cherry modular handle things would be nice.

VM's method is super. Just give all the CV I/O's in Reason that feature. Then you don't need Spiders so often, if at all. They're clumsier than just patching direct.

[zoidkirb]

Voted for Spider cv splitter/merger update. Having multiple ins and outs per connection like how vcv and cherry modular handle things would be nice.

VM's method is super. Just give all the CV I/O's in Reason that feature. Then you don't need Spiders so often, if at all. They're clumsier than just patching direct.

Yep i was almost gonna write that an update to the actual cv patching method could eliminate mostly the need for Spider.
I feel RS will probably never touch this stuff again as they aren't passionate about CV anymore and would be scared to break something updating a feature they probably see as neiche.

[jlgrimes]

First and foremost, the last 3 batch of effects and instruments RS included in Reason 11, 12 and 13 answeer a lot of the older effects.

So stuff like DDL 1, Phaser, chorus, etc will not have a 2.0 version, imho. From that list at most, i think we will have some sort of Matrix 2.0 in the form of a player, not a CV device.

RPG8, already has a more advanced arpeggiator as a player, and it can work single or dual mode. So I don't see either the need or any way to that happen.

ID8 is a path deviation from the Record times. I think all its sounds exist in NN-XT, or sampled refills and NN-XT is by all meanings 1000x more advanced and more versatile than ID8. So instead of ID8, i think reason studio should think about upgrading NN-XT or have a newer multi sampled sampler. Mimic, despite being quite a workhorse, lacks a lot functionality for nn-xt! If possible with hd streamming.

And if you think about PEQ 2 and Comp 01, the mixer comp and eq ported to single devices are already upgrades to those. So i guess at least half of what you proposed on your list, already has an update in the form of a new, big, stronger, and better sounding device, imho.

Where i think reason studios should invest is the sequencer, and there was a small one in this version, thoug i think it its a pale effort for the things i think are missing in the sequencer.

A good start would be:

- Track Folders
- Auto Punch in/Out
- Retrospective Recording (midi at least)
- Track Freezing

Cheers!

Id8 is a useful device. Great for playing live keys in a band as you can fairly quickly find useful sounds without being bombarded by options.

It is not the same as NNXT as ID8 presets usually aren't bone dry and have useful macro controls. Somewhat like a mini combinator.

If Props upgrade it too much it becomes harder to find sounds quickly but it could at least get up to full GM spec or Roland GS spec.

[Marc64]

In Thor with drag to destination from the matrix would be nice like the new synths. Also copy stepsequencer to track.

Also click to add value on every device instead of changing with the mouse.