Sonar and thanks for all the fish!
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Sonar and thanks for all the fish!
That's actually not what I was saying. Putting aside that Youtube videos probably cost more than Instagram onesJiggeryPokery wrote: ↑05 Aug 2022Yes, they can still be in an ok place on the overall balance sheet to weather seasonal high and lows and bounce back, and I don't think anyone here has suggested in they're trouble in the short term. But near-halving income in a year. In the 2013-2019 period it was a steady rise and decline as RE's grew then peaked.QVprod wrote: ↑05 Aug 2022Something to also keep in mind is higher expenses as well. RS is paying to have all those packs created. That wasn’t an expense they had before R+. That plus a bad R12 release. A loss doesn’t surprise me nor alarm me. Considering the amount of content marketing they do now. They’re probably in an okay (for now) place.
But sample pack expenditure and some videos on Instagram? That's your takeaway from that chart to explain near-halving revenue?
... and Behringer is already developing their own DAW, which they said will be free by the way.
And don’t forget the price hike! Upgrade fee is now on the upper mark on the market. And for new customers there‘s plenty of choice for the price tag of €400. Not to mention Mac users, who get Logic as an enticing all-in-one package for half the price.
Agreed. The current price point is definitely not in line with the niche market where they still have validity. Also, if you can't compete on features (the upper bound of the market), you basically have to compete on price (the lower bound of the market). What you deliver needs to be good for the price, or the price needs to be good for what you deliver. They currently price themselves in a segment where they can't compete. It is that simple.
I couldnt have worded it better.Eddi-16 wrote: ↑05 Aug 2022For me - and I guess many other customers or interested people - it is the following and I ask myself, how many videos or feature request threads there should be created until they realise it:
Missing updates for workflow & sequencer updates, missing long time customer relationship trust, missing hardware controller, missing MKII Versions of old devices, missing clip launcher and performance stuff, missing markers and other small things, missing video support, missing VST3, missing DAW trust and love by supporting other DAWS with the plugin advertisement and so on...
There are people who were still experiencing show-stopping bugs. It's incorrect to suggest they're making a concerted effort if it was, in fact, unusable for them.PhillipOrdonez wrote: ↑06 Aug 2022The fear of 12 instilled by a bunch on forums like these certainly didn't help. Especially after the latest update, 12 feels solid. Sure, it may not have that many features you'd pay for, but for anyone abstaining from upgrading based on bugs, they are, from my point of view overreacting.
There's two users here who haven't upgraded because of it. Image how many more out there came here and read that it is "unusable", they "ruined it", and so on, and refrain from purchasing or subscribing.
Tin foil hat on, but I reckon there's a concerted effort to hurt Reason studios. Who or why and for what purpose, I do not know.
Well they released R12 11 months ago, almost a full year ago. If it's just recently that R12 has become "solid" I'd say that me holding out this long was justified. Getting new features is not worth it to me, if it also means getting more bugs. A hassle free environment is way more important to me than a couple of extra features. The whole "it's working for some while for others it's not working at all" isn't good enough. I'm not gonna upgrade to have it "maybe" working.PhillipOrdonez wrote: ↑06 Aug 2022The fear of 12 instilled by a bunch on forums like these certainly didn't help. Especially after the latest update, 12 feels solid. Sure, it may not have that many features you'd pay for, but for anyone abstaining from upgrading based on bugs, they are, from my point of view overreacting.
There's two users here who haven't upgraded because of it. Image how many more out there came here and read that it is "unusable", they "ruined it", and so on, and refrain from purchasing or subscribing.
PhillipOrdonez wrote: ↑06 Aug 2022Not saying every complain is unfounded. Saying some are. This has been going on well before 12 was released though.
The thing that irks me the most in this regard is that many posts about problems and bugs with R12 are made by people who also state, sometimes in the same message, that they didn't upgrade to R12. It seems a bit paradoxical to me when people complaining about bugs are not actually running the software that has the supposed bugs.
https://affiliates.reasonstudios.com/JiggeryPokery wrote: ↑04 Aug 2022Personally, I think the upper limit it puts on all still-paying Reason users has be well under 50k...
...Make up your own figures too! But you know, even "mostly inaccurate" speculation by definition must also be partly accurate!
No, these were people who were using the most recent version of Reason each time.PhillipOrdonez wrote: ↑06 Aug 2022Not saying every complain is unfounded. Saying some are. This has been going on well before 12 was released though.
Are those prior still having showstopper issues after the latest version? Or did they trial it on release and haven't since?
Accounts like the one doing the rounds yesterday have been popping up consistently. They come regularly to speak negatively about the product. I don't know if it is true but I do think it is a concerted effort. This is why I put the tin foil hat on to say that. As a figure of speech conveying that I know what I'm about to write sounds crazy, and it might be wrong, I do not know, but I think about it. You know?
Only Live's Suite upgrade is higher and also Samplitude upgrade but they usually have 2 extra products thrown in.
Many music stores shut down.kitekrazy wrote: ↑06 Aug 2022Only Live's Suite upgrade is higher and also Samplitude upgrade but they usually have 2 extra products thrown in.
Casual users probably don't for over $199 for the upgrade. I'm not.
I wonder how many of the larger developers are also not making money with the way the world economy is. I wonder if the same is for instrument manufacturers. Guitar Center and Sam Ash aren't what they use to be.
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