Is there an update schedule?
Posted: 18 Oct 2021
How often will Reason Studios be updating 12? Is there a schedule for the updates that have been promised?
I have seen this image. I was wanting to know the patch dates. Is there a standard date? Thanks in advance.
NFI sorry mate. Looking forward to the updates myself.mimidancer wrote: ↑19 Oct 2021I have seen this image. I was wanting to know the patch dates. Is there a standard date? Thanks in advance.
My pc monitor was too small for Reason. I had to get something bigger. My game theory: get a big, cheap 1080p instead of a more expensive 4K tv to use with Reason. My bet was Prop wasn't ready yet to move to a higher resolution. It was a risky move. Maybe my game theory was all wrong? That was in 2015.MuttReason wrote: ↑19 Oct 2021I have a similar question (and was about to create a new thread about it). A difficult question to answer but I'll ask it anyway... what's the ReasonTalk hivemind collective view on how much longer we have to wait before R12 is truly stable? And by "stable" I mean, rock-solid-like-the-Reason-of-old stable? Prior versions of Reason were incredibly dependable IME. Stability used to be such a big USP for the company.
I would define "stable" as (at a minimum)....
1) Reliable authentication on start-up with option of offline authentication. Auth server outages are not great for confidence, and they seem to be more frequent than in the past, and take way longer to be resolved. I relied on the Ignition key for years - it worked great.
2) Rapid program loading once authentication is complete (no hanging on splash screen) and rapid project loading without CPU fan spinning nonsense with visual assets loading snappily (OK, I'll make allowances for caching on first run at each % resolution - even though it's a weird software design choice IMO - but thereafter this should be seamless and instant).
3) Instant searching through all folders and Refills without computer slowing to a crawl (and being able to do so while a project is playing without framerate drops etc).
4) Ability to host virtually all VSTs without crashing... rogue VSTs taking the program down entirely should be a rare exception. And NEVER crashing when in a project which ONLY uses stock RS-created devices and third party REs sold by RS - so in a pure RS-controlled sandbox - with no VSTs at all (so there are no 3rd party coding errors to blame).
5) As a result of 1 through 4... the confidence to start a project, sketch out some ideas for an hour or so, grab a coffee... and only THEN save the project. Yes I know that's a risky approach but the reality is that previous versions of Reason were so stable, you could do this pretty confidently. That's the point.
NONE of the above involves anything new about Reason, from HiRes to Mimic and Combi2. And NONE of the above includes the long list of DAW improvements that are long-awaited (some for years now). It simply means getting Reason back to where it was in the past which was a piece of software you could rely on. The basics, in other words.
I know R12 is close to achieving some of this for some people (based on internet comments at least) but for a lot of people (on this board and on others I see plus YT comments, Reddit etc) the picture doesn't look great. R12 seems to be the Cyberpunk 2077 of music software right now.
And the RS roadmap doesn't answer my question. The stuff on there is good and welcome, but it doesn't address the core stability housekeeping basics. James (and sometime Ryan/Mattias) have acknowledged the problems and said they're working on them... but there's no sense of timeframe. Are we weeks away from a R12 build that equals the stability of prior releases (including offline authentication, to be clear) or is it more realistic to assume months or >1 year from now given that (as RS have said) R12 is a total rewrite of 20 years of underlying code and they've also added Companion to the mix?
I don't mind either way... I will wait if needs be, I've stuck with Reason for 20 years so a few more months (or even a year) to get to a solidly functioning product is frustrating but OK. But it would be useful to know the timeframe. My eyesight is a problem now and I would love to switch to HD (scaled up like all other programs/apps I use these days) so I can see these lovely devices properly. But I won't touch R12 until it's as bombproof as (IME) every earlier version of Reason under the old Propellerheads.
So then ReasonTalk... when will it be safe to jump into the water do we think?
Im guessing R14 that gives them R12 to fix these needed new features (hidpi search full vst support & auth) with R13 becoming less "agile" allowing for better bug fixes rather than big features paving the way for R14 becoming the rock solid product we used to haveMuttReason wrote: ↑19 Oct 2021what's the ReasonTalk hivemind collective view on how much longer we have to wait before R12 is truly stable? And by "stable" I mean, rock-solid-like-the-Reason-of-old stable? Prior versions of Reason were incredibly dependable IME. Stability used to be such a big USP for the company.
So then ReasonTalk... when will it be safe to jump into the water do we think?
considering how buggy it is.
I had some initial probs even loading it
I crashed it once proper
it’s twitching like it’s got serious mental health issues
I feel uneasy watching the graphics jidder all over the place
You seriously must be a very upbeat person to have come up with that list and be ok about itMimic is a bloody mess sadly
MuttReason wrote: ↑19 Oct 2021I have a similar question (and was about to create a new thread about it). A difficult question to answer but I'll ask it anyway... what's the ReasonTalk hivemind collective view on how much longer we have to wait before R12 is truly stable? And by "stable" I mean, rock-solid-like-the-Reason-of-old stable? Prior versions of Reason were incredibly dependable IME. Stability used to be such a big USP for the company.
I would define "stable" as (at a minimum)....
1) Reliable authentication on start-up with option of offline authentication. Auth server outages are not great for confidence, and they seem to be more frequent than in the past, and take way longer to be resolved. I relied on the Ignition key for years - it worked great.
2) Rapid program loading once authentication is complete (no hanging on splash screen) and rapid project loading without CPU fan spinning nonsense with visual assets loading snappily (OK, I'll make allowances for caching on first run at each % resolution - even though it's a weird software design choice IMO - but thereafter this should be seamless and instant).
3) Instant searching through all folders and Refills without computer slowing to a crawl (and being able to do so while a project is playing without framerate drops etc).
4) Ability to host virtually all VSTs without crashing... rogue VSTs taking the program down entirely should be a rare exception. And NEVER crashing when in a project which ONLY uses stock RS-created devices and third party REs sold by RS - so in a pure RS-controlled sandbox - with no VSTs at all (so there are no 3rd party coding errors to blame).
5) As a result of 1 through 4... the confidence to start a project, sketch out some ideas for an hour or so, grab a coffee... and only THEN save the project. Yes I know that's a risky approach but the reality is that previous versions of Reason were so stable, you could do this pretty confidently. That's the point.
NONE of the above involves anything new about Reason, from HiRes to Mimic and Combi2. And NONE of the above includes the long list of DAW improvements that are long-awaited (some for years now). It simply means getting Reason back to where it was in the past which was a piece of software you could rely on. The basics, in other words.
I know R12 is close to achieving some of this for some people (based on internet comments at least) but for a lot of people (on this board and on others I see plus YT comments, Reddit etc) the picture doesn't look great. R12 seems to be the Cyberpunk 2077 of music software right now.
And the RS roadmap doesn't answer my question. The stuff on there is good and welcome, but it doesn't address the core stability housekeeping basics. James (and sometime Ryan/Mattias) have acknowledged the problems and said they're working on them... but there's no sense of timeframe. Are we weeks away from a R12 build that equals the stability of prior releases (including offline authentication, to be clear) or is it more realistic to assume months or >1 year from now given that (as RS have said) R12 is a total rewrite of 20 years of underlying code and they've also added Companion to the mix?
I don't mind either way... I will wait if needs be, I've stuck with Reason for 20 years so a few more months (or even a year) to get to a solidly functioning product is frustrating but OK. But it would be useful to know the timeframe. My eyesight is a problem now and I would love to switch to HD (scaled up like all other programs/apps I use these days) so I can see these lovely devices properly. But I won't touch R12 until it's as bombproof as (IME) every earlier version of Reason under the old Propellerheads.
So then ReasonTalk... when will it be safe to jump into the water do we think?
I got it pretty cheap. JRRShop offer.
I'm hanging on in there in the hope that RS pull this thing back from the bug swamp and get back to where they used to be when they were code gods who wrote rock solid programs. While I actually like and use Live a lot (Push 2 is an incredible bit of kit and changes the whole experience, for me at least) I have gone right off Ableton after their own software launch fiasco (Live 11 was horribly unstable for months, not quite as bad as R12 from what I read but definitely in the same "I can't believe you released this mess" neighbourhood). I've stuck with L10 as a result, but Live has never gelled with me like Reason did back in the day. When R12 was announced I saw it as a possible bridge back to Reason as my main DAW (my eyesight isn't as good as it was so HD scaling matters a lot to me)... then this board (and everywhere else on the interwebs) filled up with some pretty shocking instability woes.mimidancer wrote: ↑19 Oct 2021Yeah, I see all the tears too. Reason is stable for me. I have no issues logging in and playing whenever I want. I find it easy to use and creative. IT is a modular system. So my start-up file is optimized for the way I use reason. I have no issues with 12. But I don't use it as a plug in. I hate Live. Live is junk IMO. cookie-cutter junk.
Get the demo. It might work ok for you.MuttReason wrote: ↑20 Oct 2021I'm hanging on in there in the hope that RS pull this thing back from the bug swamp and get back to where they used to be when they were code gods who wrote rock solid programs. While I actually like and use Live a lot (Push 2 is an incredible bit of kit and changes the whole experience, for me at least) I have gone right off Ableton after their own software launch fiasco (Live 11 was horribly unstable for months, not quite as bad as R12 from what I read but definitely in the same "I can't believe you released this mess" neighbourhood). I've stuck with L10 as a result, but Live has never gelled with me like Reason did back in the day. When R12 was announced I saw it as a possible bridge back to Reason as my main DAW (my eyesight isn't as good as it was so HD scaling matters a lot to me)... then this board (and everywhere else on the interwebs) filled up with some pretty shocking instability woes.mimidancer wrote: ↑19 Oct 2021Yeah, I see all the tears too. Reason is stable for me. I have no issues logging in and playing whenever I want. I find it easy to use and creative. IT is a modular system. So my start-up file is optimized for the way I use reason. I have no issues with 12. But I don't use it as a plug in. I hate Live. Live is junk IMO. cookie-cutter junk.
They will be allright. There was the same vibe when Live 8 dropped back in the day. Many bugs and overpromised features.
Don't get me wrong, they will survive... but overall brand affinity will never be the same unless they course correct.
Quite right. And the sooner the better.