You can no longer edit user-defined insert controls via the mixer or any hardware controller connected/locked to the mixer.
- thats an issue I need to figure out a workaround for before I upgrade
The plugin and the DAW are bundled for the same price. If I'm switching DAW and want to buy the plugin I'm not paying for the relic of an abandoned DAW. If I'm paying full DAW price then I expect the DAW to be actively developed not just fund the plugin.
It doesn't matter how you want to use it, it's the same thing?
1. The cost is the same - you buy RRP and get a free DAW; you buy Reason DAW and you get free RRP. You can use either, or both. No big deal.
reward points only work for reward shop itemsdiminished wrote: ↑01 Sep 2021Nice. I thought they finally had come to their senses, so I turned my reward points into a voucher code, but alas..
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Misleading, innit? Here's a suggestion for RS: honor the frickin rewards voucher codes.
It is not one extra click. It's multiple clicks as opposed to the one click it would and should be if the combinator was still on the Mix Channel or at the very least the file browser. Any inserts will first have to be selected so you can combine them, so it first becomes a decision that is dependant on how many devices are in the chain that you want to combine, it is then 2 clicks to combine them (a right and left click) - multiple clicks. It is not about what has not changed, you could start a whole other discussion about that.selig wrote: ↑04 Sep 2021What has changed?
If you have multiple devices in an insert you now need to combine first before you can save. So one extra click is added to the process.
BUT, now you CAN put multiple Combinators in the insert.
What has not changed:
You still cannot save inserts that use multiple Combinators (but now the additional Combinators don’t have to live OUTSIDE the insert).
What else needs to be added here?
I still stand by my statement I made several times we did lose something no matter how these mods try to twist it I can no longer use my controllers to the inserts as I could in 11 so I lost control of the knobs and button that I could control since record was introduced in reason 5. I know they are making a workaround but it will not be the same because it's just a workaround and you still can't save the inserts because they will still be a combinator inside the inserts.AttenuationHz wrote: ↑04 Sep 2021
It is not one extra click. It's multiple clicks as opposed to the one click it would and should be if the combinator was still on the Mix Channel or at the very least the file browser. Any inserts will first have to be selected so you can combine them, so it first becomes a decision that is dependant on how many devices are in the chain that you want to combine, it is then 2 clicks to combine them (a right and left click) - multiple clicks. It is not about what has not changed, you could start a whole other discussion about that.
I find it extremely worrying that moderators seem to be doing their best to derail the thread by trying to invalidate opposing opinions with poorly thought out arguments. It is user based feedback, that is all. Are any of you in a position to change how the Mix Channel now works?
no it does not give more controls because it is not the mixer but a combinator therefor you need to change the lock device to the combinator and lose control over the mixer. People that are not using controllers and only using the mouse might have more controls but us that have invested money on controllers did loose something and our workflow is broken. I however fully except that Reason is not developed for me alone, but saying that we lost nothing is a lie.
tbf I considered investing in dedicated controllers but decided against it as there's no such thing and until the developer of the software invests in developing hardware there's always going to be problems for people like yourself.gullum wrote: ↑04 Sep 2021no it does not give more controls because it is not the mixer but a combinator therefor you need to change the lock device to the combinator and lose control over the mixer. People that are not using controllers and only using the mouse might have more controls but us that have invested money on controllers did loose something and our workflow is broken. I however fully except that Reason is not developed for me alone, but saying that we lost nothing is a lie.
Some 4+ rotaries and 4+ buttons that are part of the Mixer view and freely mapable to any (combi) control inside the mix channel.
Unfortunately not at the moment because the mixer and combinator are to different devices so can be mapped to work as one I can however use my Behringer to control combinators (inserts) but I need to lock them to device or if I choose the blue arrow I'll get a new track in sequencer for every combinator (insert) track folder might solve thatBilly+ wrote: ↑04 Sep 2021tbf I considered investing in dedicated controllers but decided against it as there's no such thing and until the developer of the software invests in developing hardware there's always going to be problems for people like yourself.gullum wrote: ↑04 Sep 2021
no it does not give more controls because it is not the mixer but a combinator therefor you need to change the lock device to the combinator and lose control over the mixer. People that are not using controllers and only using the mouse might have more controls but us that have invested money on controllers did loose something and our workflow is broken. I however fully except that Reason is not developed for me alone, but saying that we lost nothing is a lie.
It's a shame to hear that you are having issues and forgive my ignorance but can you not program setting changes that allows you to overcome the issues?
I personally decided that my P6 was sufficiently dedicated for my personal usage and buying a mixer setup just wasn't worth the money and hassle to keep it working when changes occurred.
Well I'm staying with V11 after my cheap subscription runs out as I just don't see any reason to upgrade, do you have any actual reason for the move or would staying in 11 for now work bettergullum wrote: ↑04 Sep 2021Unfortunately not at the moment because the mixer and combinator are to different devices so can be mapped to work as one I can however use my Behringer to control combinators (inserts) but I need to lock them to device or if I choose the blue arrow I'll get a new track in sequencer for every combinator (insert) track folder might solve thatBilly+ wrote: ↑04 Sep 2021
tbf I considered investing in dedicated controllers but decided against it as there's no such thing and until the developer of the software invests in developing hardware there's always going to be problems for people like yourself.
It's a shame to hear that you are having issues and forgive my ignorance but can you not program setting changes that allows you to overcome the issues?
I personally decided that my P6 was sufficiently dedicated for my personal usage and buying a mixer setup just wasn't worth the money and hassle to keep it working when changes occurred.so it just moved up on my wish list
I have actually saved most of my newer project in Reason 12 so can't open them in 11 and up until Sep 1. the inserts were in Reason + so yes I will need to upgrade if I am to use any of the songs I've worked on the last 2 months.Billy+ wrote: ↑04 Sep 2021Well I'm staying with V11 after my cheap subscription runs out as I just don't see any reason to upgrade, do you have any actual reason for the move or would staying in 11 for now work bettergullum wrote: ↑04 Sep 2021
Unfortunately not at the moment because the mixer and combinator are to different devices so can be mapped to work as one I can however use my Behringer to control combinators (inserts) but I need to lock them to device or if I choose the blue arrow I'll get a new track in sequencer for every combinator (insert) track folder might solve thatso it just moved up on my wish list
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So the Reason+ lock-in trap worked on you. Sounds like a good business model to me.
I've been treating V12 like a beta version and definitely won't be using it for actual production, I was hoping that they RS would put something in that would convince me to upgrade but it's definitely not going on my production machine and I fairly confident that even if they add my number one requested feature I'm still not going to be in any hurry to upgrade.
Don't miss understand here I'm not being ungrateful, I've said multiple times the new combinator is a wizardly coded device and is more than anyone could have hoped for as an upgrade. It is not the issue I have. It is not about how much more control you have, it is about the removal of features that are used more than is realised. The concern is, what is the next thing that is going to be removed?Billy+ wrote: ↑04 Sep 2021Reason 11
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Reason 12
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empty there looks to be a big difference, but when in use the new version is actually better.
you can do this, which give much more controls
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The only thing I would change is the combine feature as you loose the controls and I definitely think that they could make it so that the controls got added![]()
Nicely put!gullum wrote: ↑04 Sep 2021People that are not using controllers and only using the mouse might have more controls but us that have invested money on controllers did loose something and our workflow is broken. I however fully except that Reason is not developed for me alone, but saying that we lost nothing is a lie.
I can't see how this will fix the loss of controls for mixer controllers though, especially the master bus.And as joeylock has stated there is coming a workaround so the first 4 knob and buttons are still remote mapped
I think the remote thing is a different argument, most of us didn’t think about it, but those reliant on controllers for that section of the mixer did in fact lose something. Easy oversight as I think many weren’t loading combis in the mix channels at all let alone with a controller. RS agreeing to some sort of fix for that is them acknowledging that as well.gullum wrote: ↑04 Sep 2021no it does not give more controls because it is not the mixer but a combinator therefor you need to change the lock device to the combinator and lose control over the mixer. People that are not using controllers and only using the mouse might have more controls but us that have invested money on controllers did loose something and our workflow is broken. I however fully except that Reason is not developed for me alone, but saying that we lost nothing is a lie.
And as joeylock has stated there is coming a workaround so the first 4 knob and buttons are still remote mapped
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