"Reason sound" tested :)

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Which wav file is Reason?

1
3
17%
2
9
50%
3
4
22%
4
2
11%
 
Total votes: 18
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ScuzzyEye
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Post 10 Jan 2019

guitfnky wrote:
10 Jan 2019
while I appreciate the spirit of such testing, it's sort of like going through the trouble of re-proving the spherical shape of the earth; you're not going to change the minds of anyone who thinks it's flat, and you don't need to change the minds of the less nutty/conspiracy-theory-minded of us. :lol:
Like the quote, "You cannot Reason someone out of something they were not Reasoned into." ;)

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bxbrkrz
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Post 10 Jan 2019

The 'Reason Sound' should have its own detailed Wiki page. So many people are invested into this, they deserve proper recognition, no matter your personal position regarding its existence or non existence.
Personally I want to believe it exists.
I want to be able to recognize it instantly anywhere in the world. From sea level and below to the tallest mountains, from the deepest forests to the most dangerous yet so beautiful African savannas.

"What was that!!??"
"That, my friend, was the Reason Sound."
"OHMYGAWD!"
"Be quiet! Don't let it hear you"
"......... ok......."

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Loque
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Post 10 Jan 2019

Considering that most of those "Reason sounders" cant differentiat between a 96khz 24bit sound a 256kbit mp3, i could not care less about opinions from them.
:reason: 10, Win10 64Bit.

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raymondh
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Post 10 Jan 2019

Loque wrote:
10 Jan 2019
Considering that most of those "Reason sounders" cant differentiat between a 96khz 24bit sound a 256kbit mp3, i could not care less about opinions from them.
Yes, and maybe it doesn't make any difference to the success of the mix.....


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Post 10 Jan 2019

bxbrkrz wrote:
10 Jan 2019
"What was that!!??"
"That, my friend, was the Reason Sound."
"OHMYGAWD!"
"Be quiet! Don't let it hear you"
"......... ok......."
"THE REASON SOUND HAS A NEGATIVE FREQUENCY -- ONLY MORONS CAN HEAR IT!"

;)
If you're in Aachen, come and visit us at the Voidspace.

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Oquasec
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Post 10 Jan 2019

Producer/Sound Designer.
Anything works.
Bitwig/FLS/Reason.

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AS7RO
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Post 10 Jan 2019

No Major difference other than slight volume and Phaser delta

Thanks for Sharing

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antic604
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Post 11 Jan 2019

guitfnky wrote:
10 Jan 2019
while I appreciate the spirit of such testing, it's sort of like going through the trouble of re-proving the spherical shape of the earth; you're not going to change the minds of anyone who thinks it's flat, and you don't need to change the minds of the less nutty/conspiracy-theory-minded of us. :lol:
I actually took the effort to do this to put those discussions to rest, because I don't believe in those claims. All DAWs produce and sum the sounds in exactly the same way, it's at the stage of using native instruments & effects where you can introduce their "own" sound, but that's pretty obvious I think...

The results kind of prove it - the votes are all over the place:

Image

The files come from:
#1 - Reason 10.1
#2 - Bitwig 2.4
#3 - Live 10
#4 - Studio One 4.1

Thank you all for participating! :)
Reason 10 // Bitwig 2 // Live 10 @ Surface Pro 4 i7 8/256GB
My music: https://soundcloud.com/antic604

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guitfnky
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Post 11 Jan 2019

antic604 wrote:
11 Jan 2019
I actually took the effort to do this to put those discussions to rest, because I don't believe in those claims.
yep, understood. I just mean that it’s something others have proven in the past, and was having a bit of fun with the metaphor. :)

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Post 11 Jan 2019

On the other hand, people thought the worst one being file 2, which kind of did sound a bit more unclean than the rest. And did think it's Reason. Well yeah, but if the file one was Reason, then you proved that it sounded the bestest for ME at least. :)

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Post 11 Jan 2019

guitfnky wrote:
11 Jan 2019
antic604 wrote:
11 Jan 2019
I actually took the effort to do this to put those discussions to rest, because I don't believe in those claims.
yep, understood. I just mean that it’s something others have proven in the past, and was having a bit of fun with the metaphor. :)
I know, but most tests I've seen were limited to mixing a single (or 2-3) audio samples, whereas I went a step further using VSTs. And it still sounds the same, at least to my ears.
Reason 10 // Bitwig 2 // Live 10 @ Surface Pro 4 i7 8/256GB
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Post 11 Jan 2019

Heigen5 wrote:
11 Jan 2019
On the other hand, people thought the worst one being file 2
We're on Reason forum so I'd expect best sounding sample to get the most votes :)
Reason 10 // Bitwig 2 // Live 10 @ Surface Pro 4 i7 8/256GB
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Post 11 Jan 2019

antic604 wrote:
11 Jan 2019
Heigen5 wrote:
11 Jan 2019
On the other hand, people thought the worst one being file 2
We're on Reason forum so I'd expect best sounding sample to get the most votes :)
We don't need to vote in that term, but just voting honestly IMO.

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Post 11 Jan 2019

Heigen5 wrote:
11 Jan 2019
antic604 wrote:
11 Jan 2019


We're on Reason forum so I'd expect best sounding sample to get the most votes :)
We don't need to vote in that term, but just voting honestly IMO.
Well, define "honestly". Because if it's not a choice between best or worst, then we're left with very fuzzy and pretty arbitrary qualities like warm, cold, digital, analog, punchy, clinical :)

The whole point of this exercise was to prove there's no such thing as "Reason sound" and the votes pretty much confirm that.
Reason 10 // Bitwig 2 // Live 10 @ Surface Pro 4 i7 8/256GB
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Post 11 Jan 2019

antic604 wrote:
11 Jan 2019
Heigen5 wrote:
11 Jan 2019


We don't need to vote in that term, but just voting honestly IMO.
Well, define "honestly". Because if it's not a choice between best or worst, then we're left with very fuzzy and pretty arbitrary qualities like warm, cold, digital, analog, punchy, clinical :)

The whole point of this exercise was to prove there's no such thing as "Reason sound" and the votes pretty much confirm that.
If the files do null we should base our opinions on that. But I still said out that file 1 was the bestest for me to hear and the file 2 worst. The rest two were pretty much like identical. Just curious now about this reply though: viewtopic.php?p=427298#p427298

Yonatan
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Post 11 Jan 2019

Resound 11. None can hear it, everyone can feel it.
Reason for all Seasons

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Post 11 Jan 2019

Yonatan wrote:
11 Jan 2019
Resound 11. None can hear it, everyone can feel it.
Unless there is no actual or significant difference, then it can only be imagined.
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Ostermilk
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Post 11 Jan 2019

I did the curly fries test.

This involves preparing some curly fries and eating them.

If I'm still interested in this thread after the time it takes to do that then I'll report back with the results.

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guitfnky
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Post 11 Jan 2019

I feel like voting at all is an indication that someone has accepted the premise that a “Reason sound” exists. 🤔

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Post 11 Jan 2019

guitfnky wrote:
11 Jan 2019
I feel like voting at all is an indication that someone has accepted the premise that a “Reason sound” exists. 🤔
Unless you pick one at random ;)
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Post 11 Jan 2019

avasopht wrote:
11 Jan 2019
guitfnky wrote:
11 Jan 2019
I feel like voting at all is an indication that someone has accepted the premise that a “Reason sound” exists. 🤔
Unless you pick one at random ;)
true! but then, why vote?

jlgrimes
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Post 11 Jan 2019

antic604 wrote:
10 Jan 2019
Yesterday a guy posted in Reason Users FB group that according to him Reason sounds sharper or harsher than other DAWs. The usual discussion ensued...

To get some hard data I've recreated the same simple "project" in 4 DAWs that I own (Bitwig 2.4, Live 10, Reason 10.2 and Studio One 4.1), using the same MIDI files and the same 6 VSTs with factory presets. I've not touched any faders (all at 0dB) or parameters anywhere, to ensure they play the same. All renders are 44kHz / 16bit. Standard routing applies, so eg. for Reason obviously all goes through SSL mixer, but it's untouched. Likewise there's no mixing whatsoever, no EQing, no side-chain compression, etc. so it sounds pretty shitty and there's even some clipping, because I couldn't turn down the patches :)

The project consists of (VST name / patch):
- pluck melody - Europa / Orbit Poly
- chords - Arturia DX7 V / Roards For Me
- bass - Synapse Dune 3 / Double Maker
- kick - NI Trk-01 Kick / Psy Zap
- hihats - U-He Zebra2 / Sleigh Hats
- master insert - Waves Abbey Road TG Mastering Chain / Mastering 1

The MIDI file, DAW project files and rendered wavs are at below link. Let's find out if anyone can say which file is from which DAW or at least which one is Reason :)

Good luck!!! :D



https://drive.google.com/open?id=1kl8jy ... i0IAMKwRke
2 but they all sound very similar.

Main difference in DAWS are pan laws.

Reasons is 0 db.

It is all compensatable and just a volume/dither issue.

The dither would be too low to really asses anyways.

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Post 11 Jan 2019

guitfnky wrote:
11 Jan 2019
I feel like voting at all is an indication that someone has accepted the premise that a “Reason sound” exists. 🤔
Not necessarily.

If most gets it wrong, it's mainly just random selection which means the differences are too small to be significant.

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guitfnky
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Post 11 Jan 2019

jlgrimes wrote:
11 Jan 2019
guitfnky wrote:
11 Jan 2019
I feel like voting at all is an indication that someone has accepted the premise that a “Reason sound” exists. 🤔
Not necessarily.

If most gets it wrong, it's mainly just random selection which means the differences are too small to be significant.
there is no “Reason sound”, and most everyone here knows it already. so if we already know it’s a myth, what would we even be basing our vote on?

I’ve officially lost it. I’m debating philosophy on a DAW messageboard. :lol:

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Post 12 Jan 2019

What does not kill Reason will only make Reason stronger.
Freddy Nietzsche, Reason enthusiast
Sometimes a cigar is just a synth that's on fire

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