Ultimate Reason PC Build
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Hey folks - I was trying to figure out what the best build for a PC would be for Reason 10. Here's what I have so far:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/s4GYYT
~1000$ ... How does this look? Is anything off or should there be any additions? Trying to keep the price under 1200$
* Intel i7
* 32 GB DDR4
* GeForce 1080 (I know GPU doesn't really matter)
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/s4GYYT
~1000$ ... How does this look? Is anything off or should there be any additions? Trying to keep the price under 1200$
* Intel i7
* 32 GB DDR4
* GeForce 1080 (I know GPU doesn't really matter)
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Any particular reason you're going for a 7th-generation i7 instead of a newer 8th or 9th generation? For instance, the i7-8700k or i7-9700k.
Also, in my experience 16gb of RAM has been plenty for using Reason even with multiple big Kontakt instruments. My old i7-4790k CPU has been a bottleneck sometimes, but not RAM. It might be a better choice to put that money toward a 1TB SSD so you can more freely put sample libraries on it for faster loading.
Also, in my experience 16gb of RAM has been plenty for using Reason even with multiple big Kontakt instruments. My old i7-4790k CPU has been a bottleneck sometimes, but not RAM. It might be a better choice to put that money toward a 1TB SSD so you can more freely put sample libraries on it for faster loading.
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8 core no hyper threading
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3LGzdX (might need a BIOS update on the mobo prior to install)
or a 6 core 12 threads
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xFRXq4
Wouldn't bother with a GPU at all unless you plan on playing games just get any crappy GPU for casual play. Both come with stock graphics which are good enough to render a game at low even medium settings.
16gb would be plenty future proofed to 32gb!
Both would be a pretty much silent builds also, so a passive GPU might be better to get. I'd hold off on it until the VST update, might change things! FYI the M.2 will disable 2 sata slots there is 2 available on that board much faster than Sata SSD.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3LGzdX (might need a BIOS update on the mobo prior to install)
or a 6 core 12 threads
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xFRXq4
Wouldn't bother with a GPU at all unless you plan on playing games just get any crappy GPU for casual play. Both come with stock graphics which are good enough to render a game at low even medium settings.
16gb would be plenty future proofed to 32gb!
Both would be a pretty much silent builds also, so a passive GPU might be better to get. I'd hold off on it until the VST update, might change things! FYI the M.2 will disable 2 sata slots there is 2 available on that board much faster than Sata SSD.
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I would get lost building my own machine. Too risky with these fingers LOL.... looking to upgrade pc and to win10 this year... anyone have any suggestions for good prodction pcs, lemme know
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For not very much more money, you can go with the 9900K and get noticeably better single-thread performance (which Reason likes) as well as almost twice the multi-thread performance for those moments when you need to do some nice transcoding or other thread-hungry stuff:Wobbleburger wrote: ↑11 Jan 2019Hey folks - I was trying to figure out what the best build for a PC would be for Reason 10. Here's what I have so far:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/s4GYYT
~1000$ ... How does this look? Is anything off or should there be any additions? Trying to keep the price under 1200$
* Intel i7
* 32 GB DDR4
* GeForce 1080 (I know GPU doesn't really matter)
Win 10 | Ableton Live 11 Suite | Reason 12 | i7 3770k @ 3.5 Ghz | 16 GB RAM | RME Babyface Pro | Akai MPC Live 2 & Akai Force | Roland System 8, MX1, TB3 | Dreadbox Typhon | Korg Minilogue XD
I think that answer is giving a good direction but does not completely help.EnochLight wrote: ↑14 Jan 2019
For not very much more money, you can go with the 9900K and get noticeably better single-thread performance (which Reason likes) as well as almost twice the multi-thread performance for those moments when you need to do some nice transcoding or other thread-hungry stuff:
I am in the same position of considering a new PC for Reason and I think we all agree that Intel is the way to go due to best single core performance. I was waiting for the CES to see something great happening from AMD but I think the suprise did not happen. People who consider buying a PC soonish for Reason should go with Intel.
The prices for 8th generation of Intels on the I7 is almost the same as the 9th generation now for a long time (it was better a year ago).
Going for the 9900K is a great option as it does have the best single core performance but keep in mind that the 9700K is not far away. (Single Thread Rating: 2900 vs 2820 taking your same source).
The 9900K does look nice but already is ~150$ more. Also keep in mind the extra costs that comes with it as it runs a lot hotter compared to the 9700K and people recommend to get mainboards that are more expensive and the low budget Z390 have issues with heat. There is a good amount of discussions and tests on the internet showing this. The 9700K will be fine on the e.g. MSI Z390-A PRO (~120$). For the 9900K a recommended mainboard does have double prices. And this counts for people who do not necessarily want to go for overclocking. For the 9700k you can also save some money on the cooling (mid class cooler ~50$ compared to double fan coolers ~100$).
So the questions are:
1) Technically: Does one really benefit noticeably from the double amount of threads while having the same amount of cores in Reason? (which is one of the main differences when comparing the 9900K vs 9700K).
2) Personally (for everyone consider buying stuff): Would you want to spend ~300-500$ more for a system and which also drains more power while using it (while the answer to 1) is unclear).
@Wooble: Sorry for taking this topic a little into that direction, I hope it also helps for your PC considerations.
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Ok, so I've learned a lot... I definitely want an Intel chip. I think the 9900K would be worth the money. I'd likely buy a low-key videocard (but still decent) like the GeForce 1050 or 1060. I was looking at the AMD Ryzen 5 2600. It sounds like Intel is the way to go... When I take the video card out of the equation, it lets me spend more on the processor. Does anybody have any bundles or pre-built PC options that would make this easier?
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Perhaps this will help more: one would get far more useful life out of a 9900K simply because it is a far faster processor than a 7700k for just a little bit more money ($529.99 USD versus $409.49 USD). I'd also go with 16 GB of RAM instead of 32 GB to save a bit more money, balancing out the increased cost for the 9900K. IMHO, 32 GB is far overkill in this day and age.retreed wrote: ↑14 Jan 2019I think that answer is giving a good direction but does not completely help.EnochLight wrote: ↑14 Jan 2019
For not very much more money, you can go with the 9900K and get noticeably better single-thread performance (which Reason likes) as well as almost twice the multi-thread performance for those moments when you need to do some nice transcoding or other thread-hungry stuff:
But the 9700k is certainly a great option as well. Very close single-thread, and the multi is great too. BTW, core clock TDP is the same for the 9700k as well as the 9900k (95 Watts). No worries. And both the 9900K's and 9700K's T-Junction is literally 100 C.
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Thank you! This helps a lot. I haven't built a PC in over a decade and all the builds I see are for gaming. So, I'm looking for a template with 9700k (or even i7), 16gb (room for 32), 1tb ssd, 2tb regular HD... older GPU geforce/amd ... maybe 1050 or 1060? or amd I dunno - I have a PS4 and I'm not interested in losing myself into PC gaming when I *should* be producing music. But I don't want a dinosaur GPU that can't handle new games. Video production would be fun and having a PC that can handle that would be ideal, but not necessary.EnochLight wrote: ↑14 Jan 2019Perhaps this will help more: one would get far more useful life out of a 9900K simply because it is a far faster processor than a 7700k for just a little bit more money ($529.99 USD versus $409.49 USD). I'd also go with 16 GB of RAM instead of 32 GB to save a bit more money, balancing out the increased cost for the 9900K. IMHO, 32 GB is far overkill in this day and age.
But the 9700k is certainly a great option as well. Very close single-thread, and the multi is great too. BTW, core clock TDP is the same for the 9700k as well as the 9900k (95 Watts). No worries. And both the 9900K's and 9700K's T-Junction is literally 100 C.
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I'd certainly stick to the 9900K or the 9700K then, since their multi-thread is great, too. And while it's not necessary for your absolute needs, it would add value to your rig that will keep on giving in case you ever do decide to do something like that.Wobbleburger wrote: ↑14 Jan 2019Video production would be fun and having a PC that can handle that would be ideal, but not necessary.
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I know this is a PC thread, but if you're looking for a template you can look at the specs of the new Mac Mini. I bought the i5 version with 16GB ram, and it's a great machine. I've not maxed out DSP in Reason with it even with VST so far. Even with the integrated graphics card, basic video editing and rendering with Davinci Resolve isn't bad. A 2 1/2hr video rendered in less than an hr.Wobbleburger wrote: ↑14 Jan 2019Thank you! This helps a lot. I haven't built a PC in over a decade and all the builds I see are for gaming. So, I'm looking for a template with 9700k (or even i7), 16gb (room for 32), 1tb ssd, 2tb regular HD... older GPU geforce/amd ... maybe 1050 or 1060? or amd I dunno - I have a PS4 and I'm not interested in losing myself into PC gaming when I *should* be producing music. But I don't want a dinosaur GPU that can't handle new games. Video production would be fun and having a PC that can handle that would be ideal, but not necessary.EnochLight wrote: ↑14 Jan 2019
Perhaps this will help more: one would get far more useful life out of a 9900K simply because it is a far faster processor than a 7700k for just a little bit more money ($529.99 USD versus $409.49 USD). I'd also go with 16 GB of RAM instead of 32 GB to save a bit more money, balancing out the increased cost for the 9900K. IMHO, 32 GB is far overkill in this day and age.
But the 9700k is certainly a great option as well. Very close single-thread, and the multi is great too. BTW, core clock TDP is the same for the 9700k as well as the 9900k (95 Watts). No worries. And both the 9900K's and 9700K's T-Junction is literally 100 C.
I would say start with the components of that machine and upgrade further in your build where you see necessary
- 8th generation intel
- intel UHD graphics 630
- 16GB DDR4 ram
- 256GB SSD
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Absolutely helpful. Because I have 0% interest in PC gaming, the only reason I'm not buying another Mac is the price. My Mac Book Pro (late 2015) is stuttering on my deeper tunes (happy to post links to the audio lol) ... I'll check the Apple store and see how the Mini's look.QVprod wrote: ↑14 Jan 2019I know this is a PC thread, but if you're looking for a template you can look at the specs of the new Mac Mini. I bought the i5 version with 16GB ram, and it's a great machine. I've not maxed out DSP in Reason with it even with VST so far. Even with the integrated graphics card, basic video editing and rendering with Davinci Resolve isn't bad. A 2 1/2hr video rendered in less than an hr.Wobbleburger wrote: ↑14 Jan 2019
Thank you! This helps a lot. I haven't built a PC in over a decade and all the builds I see are for gaming. So, I'm looking for a template with 9700k (or even i7), 16gb (room for 32), 1tb ssd, 2tb regular HD... older GPU geforce/amd ... maybe 1050 or 1060? or amd I dunno - I have a PS4 and I'm not interested in losing myself into PC gaming when I *should* be producing music. But I don't want a dinosaur GPU that can't handle new games. Video production would be fun and having a PC that can handle that would be ideal, but not necessary.
I would say start with the components of that machine and upgrade further in your build where you see necessary
- 8th generation intel
- intel UHD graphics 630
- 16GB DDR4 ram
- 256GB SSD
Edit: built the ideal setup on Apple's site: Mini w 32gb, 3.2hz 6 core, 512 ssd (nowhere near enough - will have to add external) --- $2,099.00
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Wobbleburger wrote: ↑14 Jan 2019Edit: built the ideal setup on Apple's site: Mini w 32gb, 3.2hz 6 core, 512 ssd (nowhere near enough - will have to add external) --- $2,099.00
Yeah, the new Minis are not as good of a value as they used to be:
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/11 ... bbornness/
The Mac mini represents an enormous compromise. It's rarely, if ever, going to be the best form factor for any given role. Hell, it doesn't even have "cheap" going for it this time around, really: the 2014 version at launch had a base price of $499. The hike to $799 represents astonishingly bad value.
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New AMD chip announcement in May or June iirc. 9th gen intel will most likely drop in price after that announcement. Will be upgrading my 4790k probably next year, Its still a great CPU though great resell value!
It is not too much of an ask for people or things to be the best version of itself!
Aside from the fact I disagree with this writer completely; The $499 mac mini was never a quad core machine whereas the 2018 base model i3 is. Actually the 2014 model was serious downgrade why is it being compared to anything for that matter?... Also the writer's main gripes are to do with the size which brings me to say you're missing my point. I did not advise to buy a mac mini (as happy as I am with mine) I simply gave the specs of a machine that's quite powerful for use as a template in building another and also said to upgrade as the OP saw fit.EnochLight wrote: ↑14 Jan 2019Wobbleburger wrote: ↑14 Jan 2019Edit: built the ideal setup on Apple's site: Mini w 32gb, 3.2hz 6 core, 512 ssd (nowhere near enough - will have to add external) --- $2,099.00
Yeah, the new Minis are not as good of a value as they used to be:
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/11 ... bbornness/
The Mac mini represents an enormous compromise. It's rarely, if ever, going to be the best form factor for any given role. Hell, it doesn't even have "cheap" going for it this time around, really: the 2014 version at launch had a base price of $499. The hike to $799 represents astonishingly bad value.
Edit: I do see Wobbleburger misinterpreted my intent as well.
Apologize for confusion, I wasn't actually suggesting buying a mac, thought you were looking into a custom pc build, so I was only sharing the components for use in a build.Wobbleburger wrote: ↑14 Jan 2019Absolutely helpful. Because I have 0% interest in PC gaming, the only reason I'm not buying another Mac is the price. My Mac Book Pro (late 2015) is stuttering on my deeper tunes (happy to post links to the audio lol) ... I'll check the Apple store and see how the Mini's look.QVprod wrote: ↑14 Jan 2019
I know this is a PC thread, but if you're looking for a template you can look at the specs of the new Mac Mini. I bought the i5 version with 16GB ram, and it's a great machine. I've not maxed out DSP in Reason with it even with VST so far. Even with the integrated graphics card, basic video editing and rendering with Davinci Resolve isn't bad. A 2 1/2hr video rendered in less than an hr.
I would say start with the components of that machine and upgrade further in your build where you see necessary
- 8th generation intel
- intel UHD graphics 630
- 16GB DDR4 ram
- 256GB SSD
Edit: built the ideal setup on Apple's site: Mini w 32gb, 3.2hz 6 core, 512 ssd (nowhere near enough - will have to add external) --- $2,099.00
For the record though, I do use externals for project files as well as samples so I don't need a large main drive
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All good... I wouldn't pull the trigger on a Mac Mini. Maybe a Mac Pro or new MBP if I budget wasn't an issue. The plan is an Intel PC built with 32gb ... Still unsure of the details and the timeline but it sounds like it's worth waiting for Intel to drop the new chipset. Y'all have all been very helpful though. Thank you.
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I don't understand why you want 32 GB of RAM (especially if video editing is a slight afterthought that's not really important). That much RAM is a waste of money on most DAW, IMHO...
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No offense but this is roughly the same as people saying you'll never need that much drive space or a CPU with that much power; You're going to be wrong sooner than later. Computer technology moves fast. I'm not that old and I remember freaking out about Pentium 4's and 1GB of ram.EnochLight wrote: ↑15 Jan 2019I don't understand why you want 32 GB of RAM (especially if video editing is a slight afterthought that's not really important). That much RAM is a waste of money on most DAW, IMHO...
Always, ALWAYS, future proof your PC builds or you'll be building one every year or two. I build mine and plan for 10 years of daily use. My last one was, in fact, used for 10 years daily production duties and never quit on me. I only upgraded when Reason was no longer compatible with Win XP.
Want to build a good PC? It's simple.
Define a budget. Find best stuff that fits within that budget and ensure it's compatible with each other. Pretty much all you have to do is make sure your Motherboard/CPU/Memory are compatible. Front Side Bus (FSB) is important to get right, so is CPU socket type. That's... about it. Use an SSD for OS drive and either high speed HDD's or SSD's for critical data. Then just put it all together, assuming you can install the parts without breaking them.
Don't listen to the advice "You'll never need that much (RAM/CPU/drive space)". Buying more (RAM/CPU/drive space) than you need merely insures it won't be obsolete as fast and will, therefore, save you money and headaches down the road.
It's the audio interface that is the most important spec of all in PC builds for audio production. Specific components in a build are merely decided by your budget and individually they have much less of an effect on the end result of audio production than a good audio interface.
Define a budget. Find best stuff that fits within that budget and ensure it's compatible with each other. Pretty much all you have to do is make sure your Motherboard/CPU/Memory are compatible. Front Side Bus (FSB) is important to get right, so is CPU socket type. That's... about it. Use an SSD for OS drive and either high speed HDD's or SSD's for critical data. Then just put it all together, assuming you can install the parts without breaking them.
Don't listen to the advice "You'll never need that much (RAM/CPU/drive space)". Buying more (RAM/CPU/drive space) than you need merely insures it won't be obsolete as fast and will, therefore, save you money and headaches down the road.
It's the audio interface that is the most important spec of all in PC builds for audio production. Specific components in a build are merely decided by your budget and individually they have much less of an effect on the end result of audio production than a good audio interface.
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If you need more RAM in a few years, you can just add more RAM in a few years.
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I agree with all of this. I don't record any live instruments or hardware synth so I don't use an interface currently. My girlfriend sings and plays guitar, so she has one that I haven't used yet. I was looking at the Scarlett for if/when I need one. Not very educated on interfaces TBH.sublunar wrote: ↑15 Jan 2019Want to build a good PC? It's simple.
Define a budget. Find best stuff that fits within that budget and ensure it's compatible with each other. Pretty much all you have to do is make sure your Motherboard/CPU/Memory are compatible. Front Side Bus (FSB) is important to get right, so is CPU socket type. That's... about it. Use an SSD for OS drive and either high speed HDD's or SSD's for critical data. Then just put it all together, assuming you can install the parts without breaking them.
Don't listen to the advice "You'll never need that much (RAM/CPU/drive space)". Buying more (RAM/CPU/drive space) than you need merely insures it won't be obsolete as fast and will, therefore, save you money and headaches down the road.
It's the audio interface that is the most important spec of all in PC builds for audio production. Specific components in a build are merely decided by your budget and individually they have much less of an effect on the end result of audio production than a good audio interface.
In the 90s, my midi music was on the Baulder's Gate site. That was my life peak.
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Well, there's future proofing, and then there's blatantly wasting money on things that you're likely never to utilize before you even upgrade again. Trust me, I love over-planning and engineering for the future, but grabbing 32 GB of RAM is a waste. Most systems hardly get close to utilizing 16 GB of RAM these days, especially in the context of the OP's needs. Now if he's planning to build a video editing machine that needs to handle 4K/8K video, then absolutely get 32 GB of RAM.sublunar wrote: ↑15 Jan 2019No offense but this is roughly the same as people saying you'll never need that much drive space or a CPU with that much power; You're going to be wrong sooner than later. Computer technology moves fast. I'm not that old and I remember freaking out about Pentium 4's and 1GB of ram. XP.
^^ This. So much THIS. ^^esselfortium wrote: ↑15 Jan 2019If you need more RAM in a few years, you can just add more RAM in a few years.
Do yourself and your girlfriend a favor, and get an RME. Best drivers in the industry and they continue to support their hardware far longer than most other manufacturers.Wobbleburger wrote: ↑15 Jan 2019I was looking at the Scarlett for if/when I need one. Not very educated on interfaces TBH.
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Ok I don't disagree with this. I just have a tendency to reject any computer advice that says "you won't need this much (whatever)" because it literally never holds up well over time.EnochLight wrote: ↑15 Jan 2019^^ This. So much THIS. ^^esselfortium wrote: ↑15 Jan 2019If you need more RAM in a few years, you can just add more RAM in a few years.
But he actually DID say he'd like to do video editing, too, so.. In this case, it's a $120 difference between getting 16 and 32GB.
Wobbleburger wrote: ↑15 Jan 2019I was looking at the Scarlett for if/when I need one. Not very educated on interfaces TBH.
My personal experience also favors non-Focusrite equipment. I owned a couple 18i20s once and once was enough. I've always had good luck with M-Audio stuff. Never tried RME.EnochLight wrote: ↑15 Jan 2019Do yourself and your girlfriend a favor, and get an RME. Best drivers in the industry and they continue to support their hardware far longer than most other manufacturers.
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