Can anyone show me how to make a supersaw?

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thedjjudah
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12 Aug 2018

Using only 1 copy of Europa without layering it with anything else?
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12 Aug 2018

Funny you mention that, I've been wondering about the best way to make supersaws.

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12 Aug 2018

edit: Post edited so my comment makes no sense now
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12 Aug 2018

aeox wrote:
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It doesn't suck if you know what you're doing :)
One reason is it's native stereo routing. Whereas Thor needs to be set up.
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12 Aug 2018

Every synth has it's strengths and weaknesses. I like Europa for it's unique and musical sound. I am not aware of how supersaws should be created, but I might need to look into it now...

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12 Aug 2018

Very informative, thanks.

Anything wrong with the Supersaw Poly preset though?

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12 Aug 2018

thedjjudah wrote:
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However, layering it with Thor sounds great!
I completely disagree.

Can you elaborate on what you’re trying to do? Access Virus “generic trance” supersaws, or the original of all, the Roland JP8000 supersaw?

They have a fundamentally different sound, however I can teach you how to make both in Europa....in addition there are countless renditions.

I think that if you’re simply blasting all three engines on maximum unison through a filter that you’re going to get too much destructive phase interference to have a full sound like the supersaw you hear in albums. I’ll also remind you that what you’re hearing in albums has been EQ’ed, compressed, processed, and effected to give that finished sound.

Let me know if you’ve got some examples that you’d like help recreating in Europa and I’m more than willing to try!

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12 Aug 2018

I don't know, sounds like Europa can do quite a bit more than thor in the wavetable department.
It would take you some routing to get thor to do europa effectively standalone.
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12 Aug 2018

thedjjudah wrote:
12 Aug 2018
Europa sure sucks at supersaws!

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12 Aug 2018

Maybe someone could upload a good supersaw Europa patch? Or combinator that uses Europa? You all got me curious.

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13 Aug 2018

jimmyklane wrote:
12 Aug 2018
Can you elaborate on what you’re trying to do? Access Virus “generic trance” supersaws, or the original of all, the Roland JP8000 supersaw?

They have a fundamentally different sound, however I can teach you how to make both in Europa....in addition there are countless renditions.
Not the OP, but I would definitely appreciate it if you would take a stab at this! :)
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I think that if you’re simply blasting all three engines on maximum unison through a filter that you’re going to get too much destructive phase interference to have a full sound like the supersaw you hear in albums.
If it's not already covered by the above, I'd love to know how you would suggest solving or compensating for this problem.

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13 Aug 2018

I do like a nice supersaw. I'm not ashamed.

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13 Aug 2018

jimmyklane wrote:
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Let me know if you’ve got some examples that you’d like help recreating in Europa and I’m more than willing to try!

-Jim
How about these? Mono compatible or no go! :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV1ZvjOIsCw at 3:14. Not really supersaw, but i like the sizzle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsOLDbosV5c at 2:50
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13 Aug 2018

candybag wrote:
13 Aug 2018
jimmyklane wrote:
12 Aug 2018

Let me know if you’ve got some examples that you’d like help recreating in Europa and I’m more than willing to try!

-Jim
How about these? Mono compatible or no go! :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV1ZvjOIsCw at 3:14. Not really supersaw, but i like the sizzle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsOLDbosV5c at 2:50
The track from Etnica has several saws in different octaves playing (and filtered/EQed). The other one sounds quite simple. I would be surprised if that would not be possible with Europa.

Even the basic patch in the web versions is quite ok:
https://www.propellerheads.se/europa#Po ... aw.repatch
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsOLDbosV5c at 2:50
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The track from Etnica has several saws in different octaves playing (and filtered/EQed). The other one sounds quite simple. I would be surprised if that would not be possible with Europa.

Even the basic patch in the web versions is quite ok:
https://www.propellerheads.se/europa#Po ... aw.repatch
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Yes they are probably basic, but i find it really hard avoiding phase cancellation. Mono is a completely different animal.
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13 Aug 2018

thedjjudah wrote:However, layering it with Thor sounds great!
REALLY wish the OP would return to participate in their thread instead of posting and disappearing - especially with a title so (intentionally?) provocative and a subject with absolutely no further explanation…

As a long time JP8000 owner, I’ve always loved the idea of the super saw though I don’t use it wide open in the more ‘traditional’ way (there are so many other cool ways to use stacked oscillators.

That being said, I love my JP8000, love Thor, love Antidote, love Europa. They all work great for me, and I don’t really consider the stacked oscillator ability when picking one of these synths (besides using Europa or Antidote when I was the stereo version of the oscillator).


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13 Aug 2018

I use Europa specifically for my trance type sounds.

I love Europa supersaws and hyper saws

Maybe you don’t like the sound because you aren’t adding OTT? Or some other form of heavy compression?

Supersaws are fairly basic sounds and Europa (to my ears) has nice sounding oscillators

Also Europa even takes it a step further with detuned sounds by not only allowing the detuning of the phase (phase only detune)
But the detuning modifier! Which I would assume detunes the sound on an oscillator/partial level.

Very handy for making wavetables and hypersaws
The key with supersaws isn’t so much the stacked oscillators but the processing afterwards

Maybe try something like OTT
Or using a parallel channel with a high pass on the parallel channel and slowly mix the second signal into the mix. There are tons of tricks to getting different supersaws, those are my two favorite methods
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Oquasec
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13 Aug 2018

Europa's still new so I guess it's a user problem.
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thedjjudah
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13 Aug 2018

I was wrong .

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13 Aug 2018

thedjjudah wrote:
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I was wrong .
Then I suggest changing the title of this thread to be a little less aggressive. Don't you think so?
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thedjjudah
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13 Aug 2018

OK

thedjjudah
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How would I do that exactly?

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Oquasec
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Ah nevermind, this guy should check out some sound design places to learn sound design.
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13 Aug 2018

thedjjudah wrote:
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How would I do that exactly?
Click on the edit icon in the upper right of your original post (the pencil), and change the subject title...
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