Reason 10.1 won't allow export of large song files? (+7 hours) [SOLVED]

[EnochLight]

I have a bit of a conundrum. I have a 7+ hour song file I need to export as a wav, but Reason 10 gives me this when I try to export:





Anyone else ever try to export a large song file? I have 500 GB of room available on this drive and the scratch disc, so an ~8 GB wav file should be fine!

[sublunar]

Don't create/export a 7 hour song. Problem solved.

Also, I would be curious how large a 7 hour wav file would be and if you even have enough hard drive space. How much storage you working with?

[aeox]

You making some of those 432hz sleep meditation things?

[stratatonic]

You making some of those 432hz sleep meditation things?

7+ hrs wtf?
Break it up into a few chunks. stitch it up in another DAW and export there.

[normen]

I had this issue but with varying times so I don't think its a file (AIFF/WAV) limit issue (they can really be only 4GB). I think it's down to (scratch?) disk space. For some reason Reason seems to need twice the disk space for the export process - which can be a problem with long recordings. But this is a totally unscientific hunch.

Otherwise yeah, I circumvented the issue with loop markers. The exports are sample accurate so you can basically choose any spot to split the export up, just make sure the in/out markers are at the same spot.

[EnochLight]

Scratch disc, temp file, and cache is not the issue. I’ve got over 500 GB free on this SSD I’m working from. A 74 minute CD is only 650-700 MB full of 44.1 KHz 16 bit wav,s so a 7 hour file shouldn’t be an issue.

Just some insight - I used Reason to record a 7+ hour mix of songs for a museum exhibition. I need to export the mixdown as 1 wav to slap on the museum’s old iPod Photo (for you youngsters out there, that would be an “old fashioned” iPod with a click/touch wheel and a hard drive).

I used Reason 10.1 to record the mix because it was convenient. I should have used Audition, but it’s audio loopback is coming out in mono and misbehaving. ARRRGH..

Are Reason audio exports seriously limited to 4 GB file size??!

[normen]

Are Reason audio exports seriously limited to 4 GB file size??!

No, WAV an AIFF files have that limit due to 32bit addressing in the header. Reason's own file format hasn't, neither has CAF or MP3 for that matter.

[eusti]

Are Reason audio exports seriously limited to 4 GB file size??!

No, WAV an AIFF files have that limit due to 32bit addressing in the header. Reason's own file format hasn't, neither has CAF or MP3 for that matter.

Not sure I understand. Can we export from Reason into something else than wav or aif?

D.

[normen]

Not sure I understand. Can we export from Reason into something else than wav or aif?

D.

Hah, yeah thats true. I guess the usual "whose fault is it?" spirit of the ReasonTalk forum overcame me - I was just thinking about where the actual reason for this issue lies But yeah, unless you consider copy-pasting into another Reason project an "export" theres no other option really I guess.

Edit: I don't know if this is true for Reason but I think the formats have both been "hacked" to support larger files - if the app supports it. So I don't know if we're beating dead horses anyway here. I mean it's a string of assumptions by now as far as I can see? Enoch can't export -> WAV / AIFF have that 4GB limit -> Reason can only export WAV and AIFF -> Reason can only export 4GB files.

[eusti]

Not sure I understand. Can we export from Reason into something else than wav or aif?

D.

Hah, yeah thats true. I guess the usual "whose fault is it?" spirit of the ReasonTalk forum overcame me - I was just thinking about where the actual reason for this issue lies But yeah, unless you consider copy-pasting into another Reason project an "export" theres no other option really I guess.

Edit: I don't know if this is true for Reason but I think the formats have both been "hacked" to support larger files - if the app supports it. So I don't know if we're beating dead horses anyway here. I mean it's a string of assumptions by now as far as I can see? Enoch can't export -> WAV / AIFF have that 4GB limit -> Reason can only export WAV and AIFF -> Reason can only export 4GB files.

Thanks for explaining, Normen!

D.

[EnochLight]

So I ended up recording this mix all over again in Adobe Audition instead. The (almost) 7 hour mix ended up being a 4.1 GB wav file, and Audition stated that it would be the only software that could open it. But - at least I could save it!

So I converted it to an MP3 after that, and the now 565 MB file can be played in any software (that plays MP3's). Yay.

It's a shame Reason can't save files this large. It should, IMHO. It should just do it and give the user a warning that it would be the only software that can open it or something. Audition nailed it. *shrugs*

Anyway, thanks guys!

[moneykube]

4 gig limit is sad.

[Aosta]

4 gig limit is sad.

It is in this day and age when you can even buy 512GB micro SD cards. Memory is not an issue anymore and as far as I'm aware there is no limit to file sizes in NTFS drives. Maybe it's just a legacy limit thing for users still on FAT32 drives or might be another reason but I've come across this problem before too when I wanted to export a very long wav file.

[Noplan]

7 hours. Why?

[normen]

Lol, guys calm down, it's just 7 hours

[sdst]

seven hour limit, and cats can't hear parsec

in the list to fix

[normen]

It is in this day and age when you can even buy 512GB micro SD cards. Memory is not an issue anymore and as far as I'm aware there is no limit to file sizes in NTFS drives. Maybe it's just a legacy limit thing for users still on FAT32 drives or might be another reason but I've come across this problem before too when I wanted to export a very long wav file.

As I said it's a file format issue, not a file system issue. Both WAV an AIFF use a 32 bit value in their header to map samples in the file. "Extended" versions of the file format use previously reserved bits in the header to map more samples. So you sometimes get the situation where you have a 10GB AIFF and the app only recognizes the first 4GB of data in it.

[chimp_spanner]

Interesting to know there's a limit, but I don't think it's one I (or virtually anyone else) is gonna hit any time soon. Glad you kinda got it sorted anyway!

[EnochLight]

Yeah I'm good to go (thanks to Audition 3.0). Admittedly, in the 17-18 years that I've been using Reason, this is the very first time I ever tried something like this.

[motuscott]

cats can't hear parsec

My digital talk/listen device is saying bad things about me to my cat at a frequency I can't hear

[madmacman]

@EnochLight: That would be a proper feature request. In fact there ARE file formats that can handle it. See Wikipedia (section „Limitations“) for more info:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WAV?wprov=sfti1

Props would need to implement a dedicated new file format such as W64 or RF64.

EDIT: And while we are at it: I‘d love to see the support of BWF (broadcast WAV) along with RF64. BWF contains lots of metadata for easy audio exchange, most notably timestamps: When importing BWAV, then the clip is immediately placed at the correct position in the timeline.

[EnochLight]

@EnochLight: That would be a proper feature request. In fact there ARE file formats that can handle it. See Wikipedia (section „Limitations“) for more info:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WAV?wprov=sfti1

Props would need to implement a dedicated new file format such as W64 or RF64.

EDIT: And while we are at it: I‘d love to see the support of BWF (broadcast WAV) along with RF64. BWF contains lots of metadata for easy audio exchange, most notably timestamps: When importing BWAV, then the clip is immediately placed at the correct position in the timeline.

I hear ya' (and I'm certain Audition uses W64 for larger files). But to be honest, on the scale of "important things that need to happen to Reason fast", at least for me this ranks at the bottom. As I said earlier, this is the first time in 17-18 years I've even tried to do this in Reason.

Cheers

[madmacman]

But to be honest, on the scale of "important things that need to happen to Reason fast", at least for me this ranks at the bottom.

Indeed, it's not my top priority, either. I just remember that the underrated "Tracktion" had this nearly from the beginning (ver 1.x) and it came in quite handy.

[swamptooth]

if it's an option and you don't have another daw available, you could download cakewalk by bandlab for free, rewire reason into it and record reason onto a new audio track then export as w64. kludgy yes, but you could just let it record while you're asleep.

[jimmyklane]

Not sure I understand. Can we export from Reason into something else than wav or aif?

D.

Hah, yeah thats true. I guess the usual "whose fault is it?" spirit of the ReasonTalk forum overcame me - I was just thinking about where the actual reason for this issue lies But yeah, unless you consider copy-pasting into another Reason project an "export" theres no other option really I guess.

Edit: I don't know if this is true for Reason but I think the formats have both been "hacked" to support larger files - if the app supports it. So I don't know if we're beating dead horses anyway here. I mean it's a string of assumptions by now as far as I can see? Enoch can't export -> WAV / AIFF have that 4GB limit -> Reason can only export WAV and AIFF -> Reason can only export 4GB files.

There is a file format in Nuendo/Cubase called Wave64 that allows terabyte-sizes files.