Reason SSL Mixer Hardware Controller

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amcjen
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Post 23 Jul 2019

jjrh wrote:
21 Jul 2019
Glad to see you back!

There is no reason you can't release everything, schematics, software, etc. Totally open and under a opensource licence (which license is another topic) while at the same time selling kits, fully assembled stuff, PCB's, etc. My suspicion is very very few people will opt to clone a git repo, order the BoM, get a PCB made, assemble it all and flash the firmware. The few who actually do that will most likely turn around and contribute back to the project.

If you're not interested in 'profiting' from this and really just want to have this thing exist and a community created around it, having folks take the work and sell kits, etc. isn't a bad thing providing they respect the license and release the source code, schematics, BoM, etc (assuming it's not under a BSD style do whatever you want license)

This is exactly how stuff like REPRAP (3d printers) Arduino, midibox ( http://www.ucapps.de/ ), mutable instruments ( https://mutable-instruments.net/ ) Turris (https://www.turris.cz/en/ ) etc. exist and I'd argue are a huge factor in their success. It's not like having cheap Arduino clones hurt the ecosystem, it just resulted in more folks giving them a try using them in projects, and contributing back with libraries and code.

You can always release some things to the world like footprints, prototypes, etc piecemeal and not release the final product. Something to let folks go off and do their own thing or learn.

Just my two cents, but either way i'm very interested to see where this project goes!
Thank you for the kind words! And I also appreciate your suggestion about open-sourcing everything.

It's interesting you brought up Arduino, as that was the platform on which we crowdfunded our product--it was a mesh-networked Arduino-compatible microcontroller. Very cool little device that kicked off our company. I do disagree with you a bit on the automatic benefit of releasing everything as open-source. Massimo Banzi, founder of Arduino, has been pretty outspoken about how outright clones of Arduino have harmed the ecosystem. Of course, there are great actors in that group as well--Teensy being one of the best.

Bunny Huang may be the most prolific open-source hardware developer (I mean, who designs AN ENTIRE LAPTOP FROM SCRATCH OPEN SOURCE!??!) and he's struggled with the issues around how to combat outright copying by exploring what I think could be a pretty interesting solution.

It's important to note that for open-source projects to work well, you want people to be able to contribute fixes, better modules, and progress to the ecosystem. That's all wonderful and holds true to the spirit of that philosophy. It's when you get into outright knock-offs that can damage that same ecosystem, when someone new to your product buys what they think is authentic goods on Amazon or eBay, and they get it, and it doesn't really work correctly (or reliably), and they think your platform is shitty and not worth it--when in reality you did the hard work of designing it with quality and stability and built the brand. That's when open-source goes bad.

How to avoid? I'm unsure. Bunny's Bitmarks idea is pretty compelling. I think a type of certification program could be cool too (though a lot of work to maintain) to ensure that modules play nicely with each other. Keep in mind that a badly-acting module could saturate the control bus network and make the entire system laggy. That would suck.

Anyhow, just wanted to explore how it can be a little more nuanced than open-sourcing everything. I am a big believer in the open-source philosophy, and realize entire companies like Adafruit and SparkFun have built themselves up around this approach. But I just want to mitigate any potential damage to the effort.

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Post 23 Jul 2019

selig wrote:
22 Jul 2019
Bonkhead wrote:
19 Jul 2019
Not sure why I missed this whole thread but I'm pretty excited already !
I was looking at/reading on control surfaces this last week, all where meeeeh.
Only thing that looks ok was the nektar p1. Nice to see it integrated in the mockup.

First thing I thought, if it is modular, would it be possible to skip modules ?
I never use the masterbus and channel compressors for instance.
One idea being floated is to make the protocol open source, so in theory at least, anyone can make their own modules. Which would allow modules down to single knobs or fader or buttons, if anyone was so inclined.

Think more "eurorack for controllers" than specific all-in-one products. Maybe you like the EQ from one dev, and the faders from another, or you only want one channel strip, but you also want 24 faders. Ideally, any possible combination should be possible. :)
1000% this

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Post 23 Jul 2019

selig wrote:
23 Jul 2019
wendylou wrote:
23 Jul 2019


With the debut of Record – before Propellerhead integrated the SSL console into Reason – I started modeling it in 3D using Sketch-up and fancied a sleek enclosure, as seen in my animation, below. Clearly, I was mesmerized by the SSL and already yearning for a real, tactile controller!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Mb6fXdy04Y
That looks absolutely STUNNING. I can only hope this project can approach anything close to that level of quality!
:)
Agree! I watched that and I'm like "I want that sitting on the desk in front of me right now." :)

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Post 28 Jul 2019

(except for maybe a few, like the input module--which is super small and rarely used)
I use INV and the gains 50% of the time, don't forget the inv <3

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Post 28 Jul 2019

Anyone know what the dB is to trigger the LEDs for the channel strip compressor, gate, etc. It would be nice to see those correspond from one to the other, and also has any though been given to this as an audio interface as well?

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Post 30 Jul 2019

Bonkhead wrote:
28 Jul 2019
(except for maybe a few, like the input module--which is super small and rarely used)
I use INV and the gains 50% of the time, don't forget the inv <3
Well see, there you go. That's what I get for assuming. :) Okay, Inv module is back in!

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Post 30 Jul 2019

delineation wrote:
28 Jul 2019
Anyone know what the dB is to trigger the LEDs for the channel strip compressor, gate, etc. It would be nice to see those correspond from one to the other
I do not. In the remote interface, I just get them as a value from 0 to 5, corresponding directly to the number of LEDs lit up. I bet Giles would know.
delineation wrote:
28 Jul 2019
and also has any though been given to this as an audio interface as well?
A lot! I'm squarely of the belief at this point in my journey that audio interfaces are best left to the experts at MOTU, Apogee, and the like. I will say, though, that with the massive reduction of cost for AVB/TSN digital audio over ethernet, along with the 802.1BA spec being wide open, that this could be a killer digital mixer platform for someone to build modules upon. IIRC 64 channels are available on standard AVB ethernet.

Could be extremely cool to let the experts build the ADC/DACs, and then slap those on either side of a future version of this platform for a full digital mixing solution. I'm not a digital audio expert, so it won't be on my project plan--but I could ensure the control mechanism is state-of-the-art with automation, recall, and full customization.

This setup, to me, is the future of mixing desks.

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Post 03 Aug 2019

From another thread, is this of any interest to the project?
Re8et wrote:
02 Aug 2019
Custom controller for Alpha Steppa (taken from fb page)
Shantea].jpg
This look so interesting... but I have no idea at what production is meant.
This looks like a double chained akai mix....
nice....

here is the software and hardwares where it is based from

https://shanteacontrols.com/
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Post 03 Aug 2019

amcjen wrote:
30 Jul 2019
delineation wrote:
28 Jul 2019
Anyone know what the dB is to trigger the LEDs for the channel strip compressor, gate, etc. It would be nice to see those correspond from one to the other
I do not. In the remote interface, I just get them as a value from 0 to 5, corresponding directly to the number of LEDs lit up. I bet Giles would know.
The LEDs correspond to the following amounts of gain reduction:
3 dB
6 dB
10 dB
14 dB
20 dB
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