You certainly will give us all the project files?Riverman wrote:Selig, I appreciate your patience and persistence, but you do keep misunderstanding what solution I've been seeking.selig wrote:And therein lies your problem. Again, it's not as easy to understand how to do these tests properly as folks think. I keep saying that because folks keep messing up the tests and drawing inaccurate conclusions. If you want dependable answers, follow the protocols I outlined previously.Riverman wrote:No master bus effects in either.Logismos wrote:I will take a quick look for you- some people here do not really seem to be helping much.,and do not test correctly(not saying I do,but I trust my findings,because they are repeatable by anybody else)Riverman wrote:Did anyone null test the last example I posted btw?
Are you sure the 2 files are both totally clean/flat and no faders touched? bounced,or exported from masterbus? Be certain please.
None of this is science apart from the 'fact' science is an adventure of discovery-nothing more,nothing less. =)
Brb.
But ProTools is bounced from imported stems.'
Reason is generating the sounds from the samplers and amp sim etc. on each track.
That is to say you must do EXACTLY THE SAME THING when generating your stereo output files. You did two DIFFERENT things - you didn't use the same source files (stems) for BOTH tests. Why does this matter? Because if you don't you're not comparing apples to apples. As I previously mentioned, ANY random or semi random process will skew the results, such as a free LFO, a reverb, a delay with modulation that's based on a free sync LFO, etc.
By starting with the SAME EXACT audio stems in both cases you ensure a more accurate comparison. You are removing ALL of the variables EXCEPT the ones you wish to compare. It's also important to NOT use dither for any of these tests, as dither can also be "random" and skew the results.
I feel like I'm repeating myself here, but these details are not "optional" when doing a null test. If we are going to do this, lets do it right - that's all I'm saying!
You've inadvertently helped me, but you keep missing the point here. My point was never to prove that Reason handles audio differently or not, but to understand why a snare sound will sound better to my ears, when imported into Pro Tools, rather than in my Reason mix.
I have the suspected answer, which is because the bounce to audio is coloring the file nicely. The stem is sounding better to me than the hypersamples being triggered. The stem responds differently to eq, compression and master bus processing, than the modules are.
Or so it seems. I'll check it out in the morning.
Thanks bro.
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