AI - Cheating or just evolution?

[avasopht]

The progress of AI, particularly in terms of performance and capability, is generally considered to be exponential rather than linear. Here's why:

Moore's Law: Historically, the computing power available for AI has followed a pattern similar to Moore's Law, where the number of transistors on integrated ...

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... involves both incremental steps and significant leaps, where the combination of these leads to what can appear as exponential growth over time. If you're discussing AI in a broader, long-term context, terms like "rapid", "non-linear", or "exponential" might convey a more accurate picture of the overall trajectory.

That looks like an AI generated response.

[bxbrkrz]

The progress of AI, particularly in terms of performance and capability, is generally considered to be exponential rather than linear. Here's why:

Moore's Law: Historically, the computing power available for AI has followed a pattern similar to Moore's Law, where the number of transistors on integrated ...

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... involves both incremental steps and significant leaps, where the combination of these leads to what can appear as exponential growth over time. If you're discussing AI in a broader, long-term context, terms like "rapid", "non-linear", or "exponential" might convey a more accurate picture of the overall trajectory.

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[Noplan]

I find AI very useful for replacing certain sounds. I play a melody on the guitar and let the AI ​​replace it with another instrument, such as a violin. My own creative input remains intact and is even supported; I just don't have to spend hours in the DAW trying to create an organic-sounding instrument with all its subtleties. Of all the possibilities offered by AI, this is the most useful in my opinion because it's under your control.

[avasopht]

I find AI very useful for replacing certain sounds. I play a melody on the guitar and let the AI ​​replace it with another instrument, such as a violin. My own creative input remains intact and is even supported; I just don't have to spend hours in the DAW trying to create an organic-sounding instrument with all its subtleties. Of all the possibilities offered by AI, this is the most useful in my opinion because it's under your control.

Exactly this!

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[Yonatan]

Where will this tech bring us by 2030?
Hope we learn how and when to use Ai.

But how will we handle overflood of information and content?
Will new filtering become a thing? To be honest, from time of www and later smartphones, we are flooded, and nowadays still pics are not as much anymore and video content has increased. So maybe the content production will increase dramatically, but how will that affect us when it already are too much content to digest? Will quality find its way out from all the commercial noise of automatic content factories?

For creators, in a way, it is a dream come true, manifesting ideas quicker, create music and music videos and so on.

But how will people earn a living?

[selig]

I find AI very useful for replacing certain sounds. I play a melody on the guitar and let the AI ​​replace it with another instrument, such as a violin. My own creative input remains intact and is even supported; I just don't have to spend hours in the DAW trying to create an organic-sounding instrument with all its subtleties. Of all the possibilities offered by AI, this is the most useful in my opinion because it's under your control.

I’m not sure I’m following, I’m seeing a contradiction. You say your creative control remains intact, and yet you let AI make every decision except for you choosing “violin”. Everything else that follows is not you being creative, it’s AI following an algorithm someone else wrote in some form or another.

What is “a violin”? If I play a violin it will sound different than if you play it. If I hire a violinist to play my guitar part, the person I choose will bring their creative input and personal choices into the equation. “Who” is playing the violin when you use AI? What creative input are you still controlling when you are relinquishing so much creativity to AI?

There is no such thing as “a violin” in this sense, there is so much more involved - there are near infinite possible violins! And if you don’t give creative control over to AI that means YOU must direct every single aspect of the violin performance to AI.

I’m not saying this isn’t a cool or even super useful, I’m saying you ARE giving up creative input when you do so.

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[jappe]

I find AI very useful for replacing certain sounds. I play a melody on the guitar and let the AI ​​replace it with another instrument, such as a violin. My own creative input remains intact and is even supported; I just don't have to spend hours in the DAW trying to create an organic-sounding instrument with all its subtleties. Of all the possibilities offered by AI, this is the most useful in my opinion because it's under your control.

I’m not sure I’m following, I’m seeing a contradiction. You say your creative control remains intact, and yet you let AI make every decision except for you choosing “violin”. Everything else that follows is not you being creative, it’s AI following an algorithm someone else wrote in some form or another.

What is “a violin”? If I play a violin it will sound different than if you play it. If I hire a violinist to play my guitar part, the person I choose will bring their creative input and personal choices into the equation. “Who” is playing the violin when you use AI? What creative input are you still controlling when you are relinquishing so much creativity to AI?

There is no such thing as “a violin” in this sense, there is so much more involved - there are near infinite possible violins! And if you don’t give creative control over to AI that means YOU must direct every single aspect of the violin performance to AI.

I’m not saying this isn’t a cool or even super useful, I’m saying you ARE giving up creative input when you do so.

My impression of what noplan said was not that the creative input when playing a guitar perfectly mapped 1:1 to all possible creative input when playing a violin, but that what was in fact controlled when playing guitar was transformed to violin.

[Yonatan]

Dreaming of an Ai audio recording/mix/master engineering assistant. One can ask it to set up things and also let it suggest different approaches. Imagine having an assisting Ai that know every little workaround and knows instruction manual inside out. In an experimental DAW like Reason, that could be endless fun with less time spent as a cable guy.

One could argue that any DAW could be obsolete in future, but just as we tend to go retro and love our old machines and work in many different ways, so does advanced Ai also make it possible to bring the favourite DAWs up to a new life and help it to live on and bring them to the future. At least would a software like Reason be able to have a future just because of its special ways of expression and almost cartoonish feel with nice graphical environment.
I vote for new life to what we love, instead of the doom and gloom. The less personality a software has, the easier it will be replaced when Ai advances. Or is it only wishful thinking? Time will tell…

[sublunar]

My two cents:

TLDR; using AI to make art is lame and: passing off the work of AI as your own, or as "real"(photos/etc) is maximum lame.

If you call yourself a "pilot" but have only ever used a flight sim, you're not really a pilot. But at least with a flight sim, you're actually doing a lot of what it takes to fly.

If you call yourself a "musician" but you use AI to make your music, then you're not really a musician. You're an AI prompt generator or something. Whatever the AI version of "poseur" is. You're not actually doing anything pertaining to making music.

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>As someone who has been making sounds with a variety of physical and virtual instruments for many years now..

..yeah it sucks knowing that any know-nothing-slob can submit some prompts into an AI interface and generate music that will probably sound better than stuff I've written. As someone who never could get a band going due to differing tastes/schedules and flaky people, I am one of the many people who has become a one man band based around a computer/DAW/etc. As someone who has spent a lot of time studying music theory (and still has a long way to go) and learning how to play a variety of instruments... AI generated music is going to drown us all out with catchy songs that are always in tune/on the pulse of what is popular at the moment and thus real humans will have an ever-decreasing chance of ever getting anywhere resembling success. I do what I do because I enjoy it, but damn I'll admit it's a little demotivating if you let yourself think about it too much.

>As someone who works in IT and who has worked hard and earned various certifications, and as someone who actually reads the f#cking manual:

I once got into an argument with the director of the company who literally built the whole implementation/migration plan for companies we were contracting for based on factually INCORRECT information that chatgpt told him. We literally could NOT deploy this whole elaborate deployment they had planned out because the tools and resources we had did not work that way! It was completely wrong and our clients were suffering for it, having to close down and reschedule appointments/losing income due technical difficulties that resulted from our failed plan etc. This whole ordeal led me to leave that company and while I know they had to completely re-do their entire plan, because I was right, it was still a very frustrating situation that affected my employment/income. I absolutely despise how much people rely on AI to figure out technical things for them, when AI is often completely wrong.

>As someone who does a lot of historical research, writing and photography as a hobby of 20+ years:

I spend time actually learning about things, taking notes, writing about what I've learned/experienced. I photograph interesting and unusual locations often at great personal risk and often traveling long distances to do so. Recently I've been seeing an increasing amount of completely fake AI generated locations with fake AI generated history etc being posted on social media. Some of which would be insanely cool... if it was real.

Needless to say, I very strongly dislike AI for a number of reasons. My personal experience with it thus far is that: AI is a crutch for lazy, unskilled, uncreative people who use it to directly compete with people like myself and most of us here in both arts/entertainment as well as in business. I will always gatekeep real musicians making real music over AI and I will always judge people who attempt to pass of the work of AI as their own. I will never use AI in my own art or my research and I have thus far never used it for any purpose at work, mostly just because I haven't needed to do anything that AI could help with.

Conversely, I recognize the incredible potential AI has in the field of medicine, science, etc. It could cure diseases and lead to all sorts of new medicines. We could replace so many useless CEOs with AI, save companies millions of dollars and the shareholders would never know.

But it's also going to shape the world in less positive ways and it's going to lead to terrifying things in terms of propaganda and manipulation. We will very quickly not be able to trust anything we see on the internet/news/etc and reality will be obscured.

AI is only going to get bigger and better and resistance is futile.

[selig]

Some possible push-back against AI generated music?

[bxbrkrz]

We may be running out of push-back malware...

[Thepractice]

I've seen a few amazing things that I'm gad exist, but most if it is garbage that is only flooding our brains with bullshit.

[avasopht]

My two cents:

TLDR; using AI to make art is lame and: passing off the work of AI as your own, or as "real"(photos/etc) is maximum lame.

If you call yourself a "pilot" but have only ever used a flight sim, you're not really a pilot. But at least with a flight sim, you're actually doing a lot of what it takes to fly.

What's the difference between bringing in a guitarist to play what you could not and using an AI to support your music making?

Same thing with vocals. I'm not a singer. How does it make me less of a musician if I am a musician leveraging AI to enhance my existing musicianship?

Also, AI can be used to take the guitar you played with your keyboard, and make it sound a little more authentic. Or even just operate as a better instrument for you to play rather than relying on sampled instruments that have hard limits.

[Re8et]

Grok is unreal how it's useful to me...
I had a massive incentive to study coding more and more in depth now.
I can just write a piece of code, and submit it to Grok and ask him to verify it and fix it...

[PhillipOrdonez]

Tried using stupid Ai to help me analyse some receipts, thought it was awesome what it was spitting out, till I realised it was lying. How useful can this crap be if it can’t do simple shit like looking at text? It can’t be trusted, not even at this point, years in. What a croc of shit. I don’t understand how are businesses using it for anything useful other than content creation for marketing… which is simple shit already… gah. I guess the only ones benefiting from using this crap are teachers creating Images to aid in teaching… and I guess, as per Re8et, coding (?) other than that, this is lame.

[bxbrkrz]

stupid.ai? No wonder.

[PhillipOrdonez]

stupid.ai? No wonder.

Should be called SS; synthetic stupidity.

[Yonatan]

Tried using stupid Ai to help me analyse some receipts, thought it was awesome what it was spitting out, till I realised it was lying. How useful can this crap be if it can’t do simple shit like looking at text? It can’t be trusted, not even at this point, years in. What a croc of shit. I don’t understand how are businesses using it for anything useful other than content creation for marketing… which is simple shit already… gah. I guess the only ones benefiting from using this crap are teachers creating Images to aid in teaching… and I guess, as per Re8et, coding (?) other than that, this is lame.

At the moment, I agree that it has limited "safe use" and cannot be trusted to blindly replace real people.
It has its flaws, and "ghosts" in the machinery, so one cant just trust on these systems alone. A lot of trial and error.

And I think the best Ai-tools will become the ones with more specific limited tasks. But also models that function like a super focused local AI neuro network tool that can co-work with you, so you can give it directions and learn from both oneself and analyse others if wish, for instance "I want my mix/master to sound similar to this song/style" and it can give suggestions and also learn.

We already have had more and more automations so the real revolutionary benefit with these neural network Ai is that is will be able to be trained and become better and better, just like a human but faster.
But it is as flawed as what it has access to. "Shit in, shit out"
That is why I believe these very broad general "do it all" kind of systems we see now will indeed become more impressive with time, but somewhat always unreliable as it seems to scan the whole online resources, including all the mess and bad stuff. For instance, a person with suicidal thoughts might get help in seeing something from another angle, but if person uses certain words, suddenly the Chatgpt or similar starts to support the person how to end life and might behave like a troll. Professional terapeuts need use Ai in a more sandboxed way and with more safety filters.

I think one need to train own models in each field, so also in music. These "write a prompt and we spit out radio-ready songs" are based on scanning the Internet listening and analysing existing music. It is a gimmick, and yes it has become so that people can create their own personal mixtapes even if no previous musical training. Same with video.
But both music and visual professions would need develop Ai tools where we have more control and customised for making the process more intuitive and lessen the burden of some very repetitive and time consuming tasks.

But the genie is out of the lamp. And politicians have not put any restrictions or regulating laws as yet. Somehow I think that there will be needed to do some restrictions. As of now, it can be used for ill minded purposes in a potential not yet seen. Also can be used for good, but som reregulation and responsibility over these broad Ai models will need come. Maybe even take them down until the companies can secure them to have some ethical frames.