iUNO Synthesizer by PinkNoise Studio in the shop

[joeyluck]

https://www.reasonstudios.com/shop/rack ... nthesizer/

• Modern features with classic sound
• Based on the DCO of Juno-6
• Including the original chorus

iUNO is a modern synthesizer, based on the original oscillators and lush chorus of Roland’s legendary instrument.

Rather than a hardware emulation, iUNO reimagines the original concept - a simple yet powerful instrument - infused with modern technology while preserving the warmth and character of its classic sound.

That’s it. Another synth from PinkNoise. Experience it for yourself. You won’t be disappointed!

[Bes]

amazing sound

[bitley]

Oh is this old refill guy still Pushing The Envelope! I remember lots of mailing with him back in the day. Was it Andreas no? / Patrick who worked with Tage

[AndrasHaasz]

Oh is this old refill guy still Pushing The Envelope! I remember lots of mailing with him back in the day. Was it Andreas no? / Patrick who worked with Tage

Yeah, I'm that old guy... it's hard to think about that I've been developing stuff for Reason for over 20 years. And I remember you

[bitley]

[steff3]

Seems promising ... I really like RAMA, so this is definitely something to check out

Cheers

[luckygreen]

Entirely sample-based. As a consequence the PWM is baked into the samples. As is the chorus.

Going for a ride ...

[Heater]

Entirely sample-based. As a consequence the PWM is baked into the samples. As is the chorus.

Going for a ride ...

I can’t see how the chorus can be baked into the sample. It would sound odd when the notes are re triggered.

[Noises]

Oh is this old refill guy still Pushing The Envelope! I remember lots of mailing with him back in the day. Was it Andreas no? / Patrick who worked with Tage

Yeah, I'm that old guy... it's hard to think about that I've been developing stuff for Reason for over 20 years. And I remember you

I like both Layers products. The demos of this one sound nice and warm.

[MrFigg]

Junos are my ultimate synth favourite. Remember having a 60 in my hands early 90s for £100 in a music shop in Wales. (Was working on an archaeological dig nearby). Didn’t buy it as I couldn’t be bothered lugging it back on the train to Glasgow. iUNO sounds great. Favourite Pink Noise synth.

[Bes]

my fav of the pink noise RE's too and much lighter than a ju-6

[luckygreen]

Entirely sample-based. As a consequence the PWM is baked into the samples. As is the chorus.

Going for a ride ...

I can’t see how the chorus can be baked into the sample. It would sound odd when the notes are re triggered.

I should have phrased that differently: It's looks like the chorus is baked into the sample. Maybe the dev is willing to clarify.

Still, (1) the chorus switch is located in each of the three oscillator sections. So it can be turned on and off for each oscillator individually. (2) The oscillators are samples. (3) As far as I know the real JU-chorus can be set to off or I or II or I + II. With iUNO you can't use the option I + II, as far as I can see.

So that led me to believe the chorus is baked into the sample.

But does it really matter? I have a soft spot for PinkNoise Studio's products in general. Do I need another junoesque sound generator? No! Do I like it and do I want iUNO? Hell, yes! Bought.

[AndrasHaasz]

I should have phrased that differently: It's looks like the chorus is baked into the sample. Maybe the dev is willing to clarify.

Still, (1) the chorus switch is located in each of the three oscillator sections. So it can be turned on and off for each oscillator individually. (2) The oscillators are samples. (3) As far as I know the real JU-chorus can be set to off or I or II or I + II. With iUNO you can't use the option I + II, as far as I can see.

So that led me to believe the chorus is baked into the sample.

But does it really matter? I have a soft spot for PinkNoise Studio's products in general. Do I need another junoesque sound generator? No! Do I like it and do I want iUNO? Hell, yes! Bought.

Briliant conclusion, Dr. Watson!

Yes, it's baked into it. Back in 2003, when I developed the first Proton ReFill (https://www.reasonbanks.com/refill_Proton3.html), I noticed that in the case of the chorus, the order of the effects really doesn't matter. If you put the chorus in front of the filter, it sounds the same as if you put it behind it. This gave me the idea that the original authentic chorus could be packed into the sample in this way.
I also experimented with other chorus effects (e.g. the one in Maia, it's an algorithmic chorus), but I didn't like it. It wasn't bad, it sounded fat, wide, but wasn't authentic enough.
The chorus in iUNO sounds like the original, as it was recorded.
And while iUNO is a rompler, it doesn't sound static - as you've experienced. I worked many hundreds of hours to make it an organic instrument.
In any case, I am satisfied with the result

[luckygreen]

I should have phrased that differently: It's looks like the chorus is baked into the sample. Maybe the dev is willing to clarify.

Still, (1) the chorus switch is located in each of the three oscillator sections. So it can be turned on and off for each oscillator individually. (2) The oscillators are samples. (3) As far as I know the real JU-chorus can be set to off or I or II or I + II. With iUNO you can't use the option I + II, as far as I can see.

So that led me to believe the chorus is baked into the sample.

But does it really matter? I have a soft spot for PinkNoise Studio's products in general. Do I need another junoesque sound generator? No! Do I like it and do I want iUNO? Hell, yes! Bought.

Briliant conclusion, Dr. Watson!

Yes, it's baked into it. Back in 2003, when I developed the first Proton ReFill (https://www.reasonbanks.com/refill_Proton3.html), I noticed that in the case of the chorus, the order of the effects really doesn't matter. If you put the chorus in front of the filter, it sounds the same as if you put it behind it. This gave me the idea that the original authentic chorus could be packed into the sample in this way.
I also experimented with other chorus effects (e.g. the one in Maia, it's an algorithmic chorus), but I didn't like it. It wasn't bad, it sounded fat, wide, but wasn't authentic enough.
The chorus in iUNO sounds like the original, as it was recorded.
And while iUNO is a rompler, it doesn't sound static - as you've experienced. I worked many hundreds of hours to make it an organic instrument.
In any case, I am satisfied with the result

Yes, your dedication did not go unnoticed. It shows in every of your devices. And how you maintain your devices, implementing fixes and new features is remarkable. I wish more developers were like you. Thank you!

[joeyluck]

I'm really liking this! Very well done!

PinkNoise stuff always sounds great

I was wondering if the arp/seq could instead be on the other side? I'd prefer to always have the Filter visible and available if possible. It also feels like the sequencer might be slightly smaller than other REs like LUNA.



Maybe it could instead occupy the space of the Envelopes and LFOs? That would mean it could be wider too, which might make it less fiddly. Not a dealbreaker, but maybe something to consider in the future?

[joeyluck]

Please excuse the mockup, but this is along the lines of what I was thinking...

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[AndrasHaasz]

I was wondering if the arp/seq could instead be on the other side? I'd prefer to always have the Filter visible and available if possible. It also feels like the sequencer might be slightly smaller than other REs like LUNA.

Maybe it could instead occupy the space of the Envelopes and LFOs? That would mean it could be wider too, which might make it less fiddly. Not a dealbreaker, but maybe something to consider in the future?

Unfortunately, I'm afraid I won't be able to do that. The width of the patterns in the sequencer is determined by the resolution of the step length, which has 12 possible values, in this case 12 pixels. This value is fixed, I cannot change it due to backward compatibility reasons.
If I wanted to make the patterns bigger, only whole number multiplications could be considered, but there is not enough space for that.

Your other idea is to have the sequencer instead of env/lfo... I could actually do it, it would take about 1-2 days of work, but what if other users say that they want to see the Amp envelope along with the sequencer... but I'll think about that.

In the meantime, a workaround: you can use the constant source in the mod matrix with the filter parameters (there are enough slots), and then you can set the sequencer and the filter parameters on one page, or the Control Pad, e.g. with Macro1, Macro2 sources, see picture.

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[joeyluck]

I was wondering if the arp/seq could instead be on the other side? I'd prefer to always have the Filter visible and available if possible. It also feels like the sequencer might be slightly smaller than other REs like LUNA.

Maybe it could instead occupy the space of the Envelopes and LFOs? That would mean it could be wider too, which might make it less fiddly. Not a dealbreaker, but maybe something to consider in the future?

Unfortunately, I'm afraid I won't be able to do that. The width of the patterns in the sequencer is determined by the resolution of the step length, which has 12 possible values, in this case 12 pixels. This value is fixed, I cannot change it due to backward compatibility reasons.
If I wanted to make the patterns bigger, only whole number multiplications could be considered, but there is not enough space for that.

Your other idea is to have the sequencer instead of env/lfo... I could actually do it, it would take about 1-2 days of work, but what if other users say that they want to see the Amp envelope along with the sequencer... but I'll think about that.

In the meantime, a workaround: you can use the constant source in the mod matrix with the filter parameters (there are enough slots), and then you can set the sequencer and the filter parameters on one page, or the Control Pad, e.g. with Macro1, Macro2 sources, see picture.

workaround.jpg

Sorry if I'm misunderstanding, but I only had the one suggestion, which is the same concept shown in the mockup, so I'm not sure I understand what is possible and what isn't. Or are you saying you can do something like it, but would have to do it differently? I agree though that it's worth seeing what other users think.

And thanks for the workaround suggestion

[AndrasHaasz]

Sorry if I'm misunderstanding, but I only had the one suggestion, which is the same concept shown in the mockup, so I'm not sure I understand what is possible and what isn't. Or are you saying you can do something like it, but would have to do it differently? I agree though that it's worth seeing what other users think.

And thanks for the workaround suggestion

I just said, I can’t resize the sequencer’s pattern.
I will think about your idea… but it will be January, I think

[joeyluck]

Sorry if I'm misunderstanding, but I only had the one suggestion, which is the same concept shown in the mockup, so I'm not sure I understand what is possible and what isn't. Or are you saying you can do something like it, but would have to do it differently? I agree though that it's worth seeing what other users think.

And thanks for the workaround suggestion

I just said, I can’t resize the sequencer’s pattern.
I will think about your idea… but it will be January, I think

Oh ok got it

[AndrasHaasz]

Just a plan for an alternative placement of the arp panel...

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[Loque]

Just a plan for an alternative placement of the arp panel...

new arp position.jpg

I am not a fan of knobs for ADSR. I like sliders, because they represent the envelope visually.

If you want to increase the arp/sequencer, why not use the full row? If someone wants to edit it, the sound is normally finished, so it's totally ok to blend the other stuff out...

[joeyluck]

Just a plan for an alternative placement of the arp panel...

new arp position.jpg

I like it

I didn't even think of the possibility of seeing everything at once without flipping panels.

I am not a fan of knobs for ADSR. I like sliders, because they represent the envelope visually.

I agree about preferring sliders for envelopes, but I think it's also great to always see everything at once. I'm used to knobs for envelopes on other synths like Polytone and MonoPoly, etc.

If you want to increase the arp/sequencer, why not use the full row? If someone wants to edit it, the sound is normally finished, so it's totally ok to blend the other stuff out...

Andras explained above that the size of the Arp/Seq can't be changed. I had actually brought up moving it because when I'm using the Arp/Seq, I'm not finished and still futzing about. I get a sequence going and then I continue to tweak the sound. I was missing not accessing the Filter at the same time as the Arp/Seq, so that was why I was proposing moving it. I guess people do have different preferences with workflow.

I suppose another adjustment could be to make the Mod Env, Vel and Key of the Filter section into knobs in a vertical column and then have a little more room to do small rows of faders for the envelopes. But I'd be happy with the current proposed change

[joeyluck]

Oh I think maybe we're misunderstanding. I wasn't thinking about the LFOs or the curve knobs for the envelopes, which aren't on this panel...

So I'm guessing this is still a flippable panel, which when not viewing the Arp/Seq, it would reveal the full envelope and LFO sections, but this is just making the envelope sections available in a compact form while accessing the Arp/Seq. Is that right?

[AndrasHaasz]

So I'm guessing this is still a flippable panel, which when not viewing the Arp/Seq, it would reveal the full envelope and LFO sections, but this is just making the envelope sections available in a compact form while accessing the Arp/Seq. Is that right?

Yes, absolutely. The final version will be self-explanatory.