new RE Fuse Stereo Image by Red Rock Sound

[Bes]

https://www.reasonstudios.com/shop/rack ... reo-image/





• Based on EMI engineer Alan Blumlein’s invention of modern stereo in 1931: Stereo Shuffling
• WIDTH control lets you increase the level of the side signal to narrow or widen the stereo image
• SPACE control allows you to experiment with a broad bass- frequency boost or cut in the side signal
• SHUFFLE parameter allows additional tweaking to the frequency cut-off in the SPACE circuit
• Use SOLO SIDE to audition the stereo component of the signal

[Bes]

[media]

[selig]

https://www.reasonstudios.com/shop/rack ... reo-image/

• Based on EMI engineer Alan Blumlein’s invention of modern stereo in 1931: Stereo Shuffling
• WIDTH control lets you increase the level of the side signal to narrow or widen the stereo image
• SPACE control allows you to experiment with a broad bass- frequency boost or cut in the side signal
• SHUFFLE parameter allows additional tweaking to the frequency cut-off in the SPACE circuit
• Use SOLO SIDE to audition the stereo component of the signal

Reminds me a bit of this from SSL:
(OK, reminds me word for word of this!!!)

https://support.solidstatelogic.com/hc/ ... R453EYA82X

Key Features:
• Based on EMI engineer Alan Blumlein's invention of modern stereo in 1931: Stereo Shuffling
• WIDTH control lets you increase the level of the side signal to narrow or widen the stereo image
• SPACE control allows you to experiment with a broad bass-frequency boost or cut in the side signal
• SHUFFLE parameter allows additional tweaking to the frequency cut-off in the SPACE circuit
• Use SOLO SIDE to audition the stereo component of the signal

[huggermugger]

hahahaha, BUSTED!

[Red Rock]

https://www.reasonstudios.com/shop/rack ... reo-image/

• Based on EMI engineer Alan Blumlein’s invention of modern stereo in 1931: Stereo Shuffling
• WIDTH control lets you increase the level of the side signal to narrow or widen the stereo image
• SPACE control allows you to experiment with a broad bass- frequency boost or cut in the side signal
• SHUFFLE parameter allows additional tweaking to the frequency cut-off in the SPACE circuit
• Use SOLO SIDE to audition the stereo component of the signal

Reminds me a bit of this from SSL:
(OK, reminds me word for word of this!!!)

https://support.solidstatelogic.com/hc/ ... R453EYA82X

Key Features:
• Based on EMI engineer Alan Blumlein's invention of modern stereo in 1931: Stereo Shuffling
• WIDTH control lets you increase the level of the side signal to narrow or widen the stereo image
• SPACE control allows you to experiment with a broad bass-frequency boost or cut in the side signal
• SHUFFLE parameter allows additional tweaking to the frequency cut-off in the SPACE circuit
• Use SOLO SIDE to audition the stereo component of the signal

That's right, because it's an emulation of SSL Fusion Stereo Image.
Why reinvent the wheel when the wheel has already been invented?
I will probably surprise you, dear Selig, but most of our plugins are emulations of some premium musical equipment, which have the same names for the controls and their descriptions.

[Bes]

that is a disappointing response RRS, reads to me like you are condescending to selig who is a good boy and furthered the discussion about your rack extension

but to me it seems like even RE devs have given up on rack extensions

[Red Rock]

that is a disappointing response RRS, reads to me like you are condescending to selig who is a good boy and furthered the discussion about your rack extension

but to me it seems like even RE devs have given up on rack extensions

I don't understand what you're talking about, I didn't want to offend Selig with my answer.
But in my opinion, there's nothing strange in the fact that a plugin emulating the behavior of another device has similar names of regulators and descriptions for them.
In any case, you always have a choice to buy the original SSL plugin for $199.99 or buy an analogue for $9.
In addition, our plugin has a SLOPE regulator, which the original does not have.

[Bes]

i was referring to the part "I will probably surprise you, dear Selig," because i think we both know Selig won't be surprised to learn this

i think the comment was about how the marketing description ended up being a word for word the same as the other product and i don't know who it matters to but it does seem careless

i have used a few Red Rock Sound RE's in my works, thank you for your devices

[luckygreen]

i was referring to the part "I will probably surprise you, dear Selig," because i think we both know Selig won't be surprised to learn this
...

Right. On the other hand ...

...
Reminds me a bit of this from SSL:
(OK, reminds me word for word of this!!!)
...

Is that phrasing not a bit pretentious?

What if we simply agree on the fact that both Selig and Red Rock Sound are excellent developers of some awesome rack extensions for the Reason ecosystem? I think we all strive for developing respectively getting the best sounding tools for Reason.

[huggermugger]

i think the comment was about how the marketing description ended up being a word for word the same as the other product and i don't know who it matters to but it does seem careless

It's called "plagiarism". And it's also called "lazy".

[Red Rock]

i think the comment was about how the marketing description ended up being a word for word the same as the other product and i don't know who it matters to but it does seem careless

It's called "plagiarism". And it's also called "lazy".

In this case, any developer who emulates SSL, NEVE, etc. can be called plagiarism. Anyone who calls the volume knob "gain" is a plagiarist because he is not the first one to call it that.
Laziness is when a user condemns a developer, while not having created a single plugin on his own. Try creating a plugin yourself, then tell me what laziness is.

[dioxide]

A lot of people moaning about the details here. Just be thankful you’ve got another device as an option, this looks pretty good to me.

I’d be surprised if Selig was offended by any of this, meanwhile people are getting offended on his behalf.

[NMHindman]

Selig is guilty of having a depth of knowledge to immediately recognize the plagiarism, -or whatever we want to call it. Who else would have noticed?

RRS: As a consumer (of RRS products too), the discovery that this device is in fact an emulation, compounded by the word-for-word plagiarism, can seem disingenuous. You agree, and that's why in virtually every one of your other emulated products you have clearly stated as much in their descriptions. So present the "Fuse" in the same manor, and nobody will think twice about it. And indeed, describe it in your own words; let SSL copy you if they wish

[selig]

that is a disappointing response RRS, reads to me like you are condescending to selig who is a good boy and furthered the discussion about your rack extension

but to me it seems like even RE devs have given up on rack extensions

I don't understand what you're talking about, I didn't want to offend Selig with my answer.

I apologize for stepping over the line here. There are MANY posts I’ve written but never sent, and this SHOULD have been one of them - I’m really not wanting to come off as petty, as that post certainly made me look…

Carry on folks, don’t judge the product by the copy (and by “copy” I mean the written word describing the product, just to be 100% clear).

[Bes]

(~_~;) sorry everyone

[joeyluck]

Yeah I think this is different than just having the controls called the same thing when the description is word for word.

I found this part funny when reading the setting suggestion for Width, "Our sweet spot is between +2 and +4 dB!" Because who is "our" in this situation when it was copied?

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I think it would be worth rewording the descriptions and that would be an easy fix. Could even get AI to reword each part.

[Red Rock]

Thank you very much guys! When I need permission to copy something else, I will definitely ask you for permission.

[Bes]

maybe ask the folks you tryin to copy tho? but sure you can have my permission whatevs

[parma]

This is gross. Why are people apologizing to this dev? It's blatant plagiarism! If a dev is too lazy to come up with original copy, who knows what other "shortcuts" he may be willing to use. RE is all but a dead format anyway, so whatevs

[Ottostrom]

Thank you very much guys! When I need permission to copy something else, I will definitely ask you for permission.

Are you sure you want to be condescending to the tiny community left who still give a shit about rack extensions?

[Red Rock]

Thank you very much guys! When I need permission to copy something else, I will definitely ask you for permission.

Are you sure you want to be condescending to the tiny community left who still give a shit about rack extensions?

My previous message was sarcasm:)

Over the years of developing plugins, I have learned to take criticism quite calmly.

[andyhsong]

I just wanted to say I don't think it's a big deal that the description is copied word for word, or that the device is a "clone" so to speak. It just feels sketchy when you find something copied word for word without any acknowledgement to the original source. I feel like that's spam-type of behavior and raises red flags. I mean, you could even use the description as a selling point, you could say this device is such a close clone that I can use the original description and it still holds true! Instead, it all seems shady and disingenuous and ultimately lazy. and the responses from this dev in this thread didn't help, as calm as they were. no sarcasm here.

[dioxide]

Calling all plagiarism police units. Your assistance is needed over here:
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=7535331&sid=a13fb23 ... 426f21eb64

All cars report for duty immediately! Woop woop.

[Red Rock]

That is: copying the behavior of the device, copying the appearance of the device is normal (because 80% of all plugin developers do it). Example of Pultec EQP-1A.
And copying the description from an emulated device is already plagiarism?
No, guys, all this can be called plagiarism, you are just used to the fact that the graphical interface is copied, but you have never seen that the description was copied.
I was just more honest and copied the text. In my opinion, paraphrasing the same text is a deception, but you guys are already used to this deception, because all plugin developers do exactly this.

Although the design or appearance of the equipment may be protected by a patent, no one will patent the description of the device, so what's the problem with copying text?

Finally, I will repeat once again: you always have a choice, just buy the original plugin for $200 (Oh, sorry, not original, because the idea was stolen from Alan Blumlein.)

[jam-s]

Although the design or appearance of the equipment may be protected by a patent, no one will patent the description of the device, so what's the problem with copying text?

You might be surprised at what little portions of text might be called a copyright infringement or plagiarism if not (correctly) attributed (esp. in scientific publications).

Still a good thing to have this device available as another option especially as it is an RE.