Are you upgrading to Reason 13?

[Pepin]

There are more than enough free plugins and DAWs out there that you don't need to pay for anything--not even Reaper. You could create a lifetime's worth of music with Luna, Vital, kHs Essentials, Komplete Start, Valhalla Supermassive, Spitfire Labs/BBC, etc...

In light of that, comparing Reason to other DAWs in terms of feature lists and quantitative "value" feels rather pointless. Choosing a paid product at this point is (mostly) a matter of taste and workflow preference, not necessity.

[ShelLuser]

I only use Reason's rack plugin these days, so most updates don't have much impact for me anymore, definitely nothing related to the sequencer. So for me it boils down to an instrument which I guess is ok, a delay I have no need for and some tools which I'll most likely never going to use.

So... no, that's not worth the E 199,- to me, for that amount of cash you can actually get Pigments, Serum or Diva (!!)....

[selig]

There are more than enough free plugins and DAWs out there that you don't need to pay for anything--not even Reaper. You could create a lifetime's worth of music with Luna, Vital, kHs Essentials, Komplete Start, Valhalla Supermassive, Spitfire Labs/BBC, etc...

In light of that, comparing Reason to other DAWs in terms of feature lists and quantitative "value" feels rather pointless. Choosing a paid product at this point is (mostly) a matter of taste and workflow preference, not necessity.

(And the “inspiration factor”)
Totally agree. If every other DAW was free I’d still probably use Reason to start songs/ideas. Because it’s never about the feature list for me, it’s about how inspired I am to make music with the tool. For example, even though LUNA has more of the DAW features I want from Reason, I’ve only started one song in LUNA in my first few years using it.

[DonnieAlan]

I'm not planning to upgrade until Reason allows VST hosting in Rack Mode. I don't use Reason standalone, but have it in Rack Mode in my DAW, Pro Tools. If Reason would allow VST hosting in the rack I'd upgrade in a flash, and frankly, I think many others would, too. Allowing VST hosting in Rack Mode would make Reason the most powerful plugin on the planet!

[djadalaide]

I'm not planning to upgrade until Reason allows VST hosting in Rack Mode. I don't use Reason standalone, but have it in Rack Mode in my DAW, Pro Tools. If Reason would allow VST hosting in the rack I'd upgrade in a flash, and frankly, I think many others would, too. Allowing VST hosting in Rack Mode would make Reason the most powerful plugin on the planet!

+999

[Abstrax]

3. Synths and FX - man you better don't ask about this. I just discovered Yutani recently and I am blown away. -

check other tools from Saike - absolutely mind-blowing. Filters, manglers, weird reverb. Then there is an insanely large community of JSFX effect libraries containing compressors, EQ, chorus, phasers, and whatnot.

Shock therapy - I just discovered that there is a FREE EQ with capabilities similar to FabFilter Pro Q - do you know that it is well free but the installer is less than 2MB. I was like WTF??? https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=213501

Jesusonic JSFX language is like an interpreter and a compiler on the fly. Insane stuff. Just check saike reverbs, filters, and transient shapers are all free. Or check Tukan plugins. All free.

woah this is cool and I learned they can be used in a vst. thats a huge rabbithole of free stuff

[Reminiscence]

Question: Does the upgrading ever end?
Answer: Image Line

[Whoopdee]

I voted no, but I did buy the upgrade. Now I'm trying to return it but it seems ReasonStudios is making it impossible on purpose to submit tickets. Their website is broken.

[Whoopdee]

I voted no, but I did buy the upgrade. Now I'm trying to return it but it seems ReasonStudios is making it impossible on purpose to submit tickets. Their website is broken.

They ended up refunding me, really kind of them. I hope they bring back the dock-able browser and maybe make the tools window float-able again.

[chaosroyale]

Buddard, you're a great developer, but why does it matter if the instruments and effects are "included" in Reaper, when they are freely available and there are so many options of FX and synths of higher quality than the old and outdated devices in Reason? Yes, Reaper is a complete music-making environment to anyone with an internet connection and 15 minutes to download more amazing devices than they could ever have dreamed of just ten years ago.

Edit: I basically agree with Selig's point that which DAW one uses is really about personal taste. I happen to like the combinator (although I usually put VSTs in them, not Reason devices) because I like the similarity to using analog FX pedals and racks. For me, that made it worth using Reason up to Ver.11 despite deficiencies in other areas. There's nothing that makes me excited about 12 or 13.

It is still more than half cheaper than the Reason (perpetual) license

How many instruments and effects are included with Reaper? Would you say that Reaper is a complete environment for making music?

[Popey]

I'm still haven't bought it but i definitely will do at some point. I want Ripley

[ShelLuser]

I'm not planning to upgrade until Reason allows VST hosting in Rack Mode.

To be honest I'll take rack extensions over VST's any day of the week here.

When Reason dropped ReWire and got us the RRP I wasn't happy because I lost my 2nd sequencer with Live; Reason's sequencer + ReWire was a big deal to me. So... I ended up replacing Reason with FL Studio which provides a VSTi that loads the whole DAW into another, giving me exactly what I wanted: a second sequencer which can be used in parallel to Live.

Thing is: FL Studio actually supports this: I can load VST's within the 'FLS' VSTi, no problem. And I can tell you that you could be in a world of pain unless your host DAW provides good resource management. IMO this feature is kinda overhyped because it can bring more problems than you may realize.

For example... it was thanks to Reason and their rack extensions that I learned about Synapse's Antidote, The Legend and Obsession. In fact, I got the latter as both a rack extension as well as a VST. So.. Live has this cool feature called "Performance impact" which gives you an indicator below your tracks which shows you exactly how much resources that track gobbles up.

Yah... fun fact: the Reason rack plugin with Obsession as a rack extension gobbles up a lot less resources than FL Studio loading up the the Obsession VST. Note: I'm not talking totals, this is about the increase in required resources. When I load Obession in the RRP I don't see anything happening in Live. If I do the same with FL Studio or Max for Live for that matter then wham: an extra blip appears.

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It is still more than half cheaper than the Reason (perpetual) license

How many instruments and effects are included with Reaper? Would you say that Reaper is a complete environment for making music?

Actually, yes I would.

And to be perfectly honest I find it rather strange to see such narrow minded comments on this forum. Let's not forget that Reason itself has a history of not being acknowledged as a serious / complete environment for making music, only because the environment didn't support audio recording. Who cares about the plethora of awesome instruments and effects (Thor was already a thing back then), no: it was audio recording which was the big deal, according to some critics of course.

Yah, audio recording is fully supported by Reaper out of the box. I can easily use it as a Digital Audio Workstation by recording / digitizing my audio and using that to build my score using Reaper as a workstation. Not to mention the fact that Reaper also provides VSTi's to work with: ReaSynth, ReaSynDr and ReaSamplOmatic5000 (huge improvement over #4950 I'll tell ya ).

Don't tell me you honestly believe that quantity provides quality?

[Reminiscence]

Reason can be a complicated machine run through the rack, the sequencer is merely CV data to activate certain envelopes or gates on the devices visible in the rack. With clever trickery one can create quite intricate sounds even with "legacy" devices used as oscillators or LFOs.

So basically, Reason v.4 is old yes, but then so is everything else eventually.

[kitekrazy]

I'm still haven't bought it but i definitely will do at some point. I want Ripley

A poll with how much you'd pay for the Reason upgrade would be interesting. $199 just won't work for many users. $129, $99?

[tanni]

I would be more interested to know how many of the 77 who update are subscribers .

[_andreypetr_]

Now I remembered that RS guys stated that they will update Combinator soon, but it was a year ago and now we have Reason 13, so no chance they will update anything in 12 version

[Popey]

I'm still haven't bought it but i definitely will do at some point. I want Ripley

A poll with how much you'd pay for the Reason upgrade would be interesting. $199 just won't work for many users. $129, $99?

I think $129 when converted to £ with a further jrr shop code would have been what I would have paid at launch. There is probably a certain percentage of "I want reason to survive and do well" at that price too as I am only really interested in Ripley and the stereo tool.

[TritoneAddiction]

If the upgrade was ONLY the new devices I'd gladly pay somewhere between 80-150 bucks and I'd be happy about it. I think they've done a great job on them.

My issue is all the new workflow/browser stuff. I've watched Reason Studios video on it 3 times now since the release trying my best to like what they've done, but I just don't like all the changes. Sorry. I prefer it the way it's been. It's one thing to add stuff to what's already there, but it's way more tricky when stuff changes. The truth is I wouldn't do the upgrade even if I got it for free. Because for me, my current workflow (which I like) isn't worth sacrificing for some new devices. I have plenty of those already.

To be clear, I think RS have worked hard on all the workflow/browser stuff and they would probably be great if I was completely new to Reason. But at this point I have already developed my workflow.

So I'm stuck with R11, which means I can't purchase any new rack extensions either since they made the whole Companion only shift some time ago.

For the time being my only reasons to upgrade would be if my current Reason 11 installation stopped working for some reason or if I wanted to do more collaborations and an upgrade made that easier.

[mimidancer]

If the upgrade was ONLY the new devices I'd gladly pay somewhere between 80-150 bucks and I'd be happy about it. I think they've done a great job on them.

My issue is all the new workflow/browser stuff. I've watched Reason Studios video on it 3 times now since the release trying my best to like what they've done, but I just don't like all the changes. Sorry. I prefer it the way it's been. It's one thing to add stuff to what's already there, but it's way more tricky when stuff changes. The truth is I wouldn't do the upgrade even if I got it for free. Because for me, my current workflow (which I like) isn't worth sacrificing for some new devices. I have plenty of those already.

To be clear, I think RS have worked hard on all the workflow/browser stuff and they would probably be great if I was completely new to Reason. But at this point I have already developed my workflow.

So I'm stuck with R11, which means I can't purchase any new rack extensions either since they made the whole Companion only shift some time ago.

For the time being my only reasons to upgrade would be if my current Reason 11 installation stopped working for some reason or if I wanted to do more collaborations and an upgrade made that easier.

You can't stop change any more than you can stop the suns from setting. but being real. The workflow is intact. Adjusting the sizes of a couple of windows and you hardly know it changed.

[ambi]

You can't stop change any more than you can stop the suns from setting. but being real. The workflow is intact. Adjusting the sizes of a couple of windows and you hardly know it changed.

I wish it was that easy but it's not. R13 slowed down my workflow a lot, which is funny considering they advertised it as "your music faster".

When developers run out of ideas they start to fix things that weren't broken.
If they don't revert the changes they can say goodbye to a big portion of they customers. I hope they realize this and do the right thing.

[TritoneAddiction]

If the upgrade was ONLY the new devices I'd gladly pay somewhere between 80-150 bucks and I'd be happy about it. I think they've done a great job on them.

My issue is all the new workflow/browser stuff. I've watched Reason Studios video on it 3 times now since the release trying my best to like what they've done, but I just don't like all the changes. Sorry. I prefer it the way it's been. It's one thing to add stuff to what's already there, but it's way more tricky when stuff changes. The truth is I wouldn't do the upgrade even if I got it for free. Because for me, my current workflow (which I like) isn't worth sacrificing for some new devices. I have plenty of those already.

To be clear, I think RS have worked hard on all the workflow/browser stuff and they would probably be great if I was completely new to Reason. But at this point I have already developed my workflow.

So I'm stuck with R11, which means I can't purchase any new rack extensions either since they made the whole Companion only shift some time ago.

For the time being my only reasons to upgrade would be if my current Reason 11 installation stopped working for some reason or if I wanted to do more collaborations and an upgrade made that easier.

You can't stop change any more than you can stop the suns from setting. but being real. The workflow is intact. Adjusting the sizes of a couple of windows and you hardly know it changed.

Yeah I know change is many times inevitable. But in a case like this I actually can make a choice whether I want to go with that change or not, or at least delay it. Sure I will miss out on some cool things but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make this time.
I did hear on the livestream that RS was going to look if they could find a way to add the favorite list for devices back. If and depending on how that gets implemented I'm willing to take another look at R13.

But just subjectively speaking, for me personally it wouldn't be the end of the world if I delayed upgrading and spent the next 4-7 years still working with R11. I already like what I have in my current DAW. And unlike many others I don't have a long list of must-have features. This could in fact be a perfect time to go back to older devices to really dig in and learn what I already have.

[Social Exodus]

I have to say that Reaper 7 is absolutely infinitely customizable though, plus super light on resources and I'll probably land there since $60 every 2-3 years is hard to beat.

A REAPER license is valid for the version you buy and the next one. So buying REAPER 7 will also include all updates of REAPER 8. That will give you much more than 2-3 years of updates.

True, but I bought Reaper 5 so at V8, I'll need to pay again if I want to upgrade.

[niclas]

My biggest gripe is that they seemingly removed support for thumb wheel zooming (while pressing cmd). I use that a lot. I used to upgrade immediately but not this time. I will probably do it sometime, ripley and polytone seems nice but I am not in any hurry, especially at the ordinary price.

[moalla]

I had a bigger conversation with friends yesterday, about the best sequencer funtionalitys, at this point it becomes clearly that the
pattern window of bitwig in it´s sequencer makes things much easier, really comparable with the blocks view and the drag and drop functionaliity of different taps in the view
seems one of the big ideas for GUI of the last time Other things in this GUI story are the frames and menugraphics wich use at some points to much visible space, offer no hide menu function, what takes to much worksspace at the screen!

In this case I´m really thinking of getting a upgrade for 114€ bugs from bitwig 8-Track to Studio Producer version, with multi VST outputs/inputs and comping
or using now 8Track via hardware inputs and I´m able to load my projects include vst´s

But otherwise why reasonstudios isn´t improve the existing features in a gui and workflow way in a mystical way, when 12 stand for the end a story, 13 stands for a new beginning, at this point the NEWNEW SEQUENCER is the answer to the competitors


AT Matthias HG
So if Reason would allow in a next upgrade, the Blocks view at the same time with the sequencer with drag and drop function, in this case maybe as external window, than it would be a pleasure to work with reason like bitwig in a much faster way, especial a upgraded Blocks window etc offers a taps selection of the different Blocks/Patterns that were made/recorded like the Block/Pattern window of bitwig in the uper left in it´s sequencer. That would be a major improvement for the workflow.

One think what needs more time is the VST loading capability in Rack Mode with a another daw, I assume to load vst´s from the same path at the same time Reason+otherDAW in the same "sandbox" is a difficult thing, not feasible!?

13

So upgarde not upgrade,hmm maybee or totaly YES if something like this will come with 13.4
otherwise nope

So it depends wich style your recording, or how it must working, add too much functions will collapse the stability etc look at ableton

when Reasonstudios are slowly improve the workflow of the existing functions, R13 will play a bigger role in the DAW market and makes the product more sovereign.

So linux support and than the a big upgraded blocks mode are a story in R14
but i hope the sequencer Rewrite is the new beginning like the numerology says

[Reminiscence]

Not upgrading. Been making use of vintage version 4.

https://youtu.be/7reC0mDIxPk?si=XtPZ5ZpwKVMOSovw