Clock output to multi devices.

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mimidancer
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19 Jul 2024

When outputting clock to multiple MIDI devices is there a way to set the offset specific to each destination?

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mimidancer
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21 Jul 2024

I am going to guess the answer is no.

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21 Jul 2024

How much of an offset are you talking about?

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21 Jul 2024

Sorry, just seeing this - one offset setting is all I've been able to see. How much of a difference is there with your devices?
I was under the impression offset was needed due to the MIDI interface, in which case a single setting would suffice…
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21 Jul 2024

selig wrote:
21 Jul 2024
Sorry, just seeing this - one offset setting is all I've been able to see. How much of a difference is there with your devices?
I was under the impression offset was needed due to the MIDI interface, in which case a single setting would suffice…
Sadly not. If you’re connecting devices by USB for their power and MIDI they can have different delays. When I was using a lot of hardware in Live I has the MC101 set to -15, Tr6 and 8s to -25, mini and microfreak to -something else. Nightmare with only one offset.

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21 Jul 2024

Trying to understand what you are looking for and maybe this is the solution?

SHIFT & SHUFFLE
To compensate for any time lag of your connected gear, you can shift each of the four output channels individually and in realtime back and forth relative to the reference clock. If you then have found the sweet spot, you can add a bit of shuffle.


https://www.e-rm.de/multiclock/
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22 Jul 2024

bxbrkrz wrote:
21 Jul 2024
Trying to understand what you are looking for and maybe this is the solution?

SHIFT & SHUFFLE
To compensate for any time lag of your connected gear, you can shift each of the four output channels individually and in realtime back and forth relative to the reference clock. If you then have found the sweet spot, you can add a bit of shuffle.


https://www.e-rm.de/multiclock/
Pretty sure that'd work for sequenced notes yeah, although I feel like there are issues around cycling a range with negative slide applied (missing notes). For me the biggest problem was always with sync'd sequencers (drum machines, hardware sequencers). In Live you can offset each by the right amount to get them to play and record in time.

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22 Jul 2024

chimp_spanner wrote:
22 Jul 2024
bxbrkrz wrote:
21 Jul 2024
Trying to understand what you are looking for and maybe this is the solution?

SHIFT & SHUFFLE
To compensate for any time lag of your connected gear, you can shift each of the four output channels individually and in realtime back and forth relative to the reference clock. If you then have found the sweet spot, you can add a bit of shuffle.


https://www.e-rm.de/multiclock/
Pretty sure that'd work for sequenced notes yeah, although I feel like there are issues around cycling a range with negative slide applied (missing notes). For me the biggest problem was always with sync'd sequencers (drum machines, hardware sequencers). In Live you can offset each by the right amount to get them to play and record in time.
Within the context of the question the answer is technically yes to the OP. Hardware or software solution :puf_smile:
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30 Jul 2024

bxbrkrz wrote:
22 Jul 2024
chimp_spanner wrote:
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Pretty sure that'd work for sequenced notes yeah, although I feel like there are issues around cycling a range with negative slide applied (missing notes). For me the biggest problem was always with sync'd sequencers (drum machines, hardware sequencers). In Live you can offset each by the right amount to get them to play and record in time.
Within the context of the question the answer is technically yes to the OP. Hardware or software solution :puf_smile:
Sorry I didn't fully read your post! I thought you were referring to the shift function of Groove channel outputs. This looks good yes! But it's also a bit disappointing that this wasn't factored into the new clock output functionality, when it's present in Live and other DAWs. Shouldn't need to buy hardware. But yeah, still looks like an interesting/cool device! I'm still 50/50 on like...where hardware fits into my setup. Got a wall full of cool stuff that I don't use as often as I ought to, but can't bring myself to sell haha.

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30 Jul 2024

chimp_spanner wrote:
30 Jul 2024
bxbrkrz wrote:
22 Jul 2024

Within the context of the question the answer is technically yes to the OP. Hardware or software solution :puf_smile:
Sorry I didn't fully read your post! I thought you were referring to the shift function of Groove channel outputs. This looks good yes! But it's also a bit disappointing that this wasn't factored into the new clock output functionality, when it's present in Live and other DAWs. Shouldn't need to buy hardware. But yeah, still looks like an interesting/cool device! I'm still 50/50 on like...where hardware fits into my setup. Got a wall full of cool stuff that I don't use as often as I ought to, but can't bring myself to sell haha.
No need to be sorry. If you see my avatar just imagine I am always smiling.
I am learning Live myself and was not sur if the OP was looking for a software (Reason only) solution or hardware solution. While still fresh in my mind and just seeing vids on the same subject I thought it was cool to update this thread for anyone searching the forum for something similar in the future.

Don't give up on your old hardware. I am recording my RX7's sounds and patterns separately in Live. From backup sysex I thought I could never retrieved from 1988... Midi is wonky so I give it 4 or 8 bars before auto punch in/out. Weeks of slow recordings from stereo outs :D
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30 Jul 2024

selig wrote:
21 Jul 2024
Sorry, just seeing this - one offset setting is all I've been able to see. How much of a difference is there with your devices?
I was under the impression offset was needed due to the MIDI interface, in which case a single setting would suffice…
there is an audible difference between the USB-connected devices vs the din. I switched back to only outputting one clock and sharing the clock in the MIDI router. One clock to rule them all.

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30 Jul 2024

mimidancer wrote:
30 Jul 2024
selig wrote:
21 Jul 2024
Sorry, just seeing this - one offset setting is all I've been able to see. How much of a difference is there with your devices?
I was under the impression offset was needed due to the MIDI interface, in which case a single setting would suffice…
there is an audible difference between the USB-connected devices vs the din. I switched back to only outputting one clock and sharing the clock in the MIDI router. One clock to rule them all.
I’m not sure…but I recently was chaining clocks in my live setup and having “issues”, so got a MIDI splitter to feed one clock directly to each device from my KeyStep Pro. So if there is a delay, it is equal for all devices.
I just checked LUNA, and it does have individual offsets for each clock output. I hope Reason adds it soon since they just added the multi-clock feature.
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