Complex-1 users

[BRIGGS]

After trying Phase Plant, I no longer use Complex-1. Shame, there is no market place to sell it.

Weird RS never got to that.

It would definitely liven up the RE market. I've many REs I don't use anymore and would gladly sell for a fraction of the price. And I'd probably buy lots more, knowing I can always recoup some of the money if I didn't liked it. I wouldn't mind if RS and the developer got a fraction of the selling price, too.

Yes, an auction house for REs would be free advertising for RS, too. They could charge a small fee for listings. Seems like a duh/no brainer moment to me.

Seems like they only want the whole pie, or nothing at all.

History shows, that evil corrupt people in power, hate free trade.

[antic604]

In the end it would mean less money for RS, so I doubt it will happen. I'm actually surprised that you can still transfer your Reason license. I'm pretty sure that option will be removed at some point.

I'm not sure.

I avoided getting a lot of REs simply because I'm afraid to be stuck with something that it turned out I don't like after all (yes, I'm aware there's 30-day trials - somehow I never have the time to use them when I start one).

[DaveyG]

History shows, that evil corrupt people in power, hate free trade.

I'm not sure RS are evil and corrupt. I just think they make some bad business decisions.

[BRIGGS]

History shows, that evil corrupt people in power, hate free trade.

I'm not sure RS are evil and corrupt. I just think they make some bad business decisions.

Same here, there's not enough evidence to make a case.

[voiceprint1]

thanks for the reply's, might hold off on Complex-1. I did the demo on U-he's Bazille and it's pretty good, still some patches exhibit crackling even if one note is played slowly, wonder if this is a symptom of really complicated patch structure?, as I am on a 2023 M2 mac studio, so no lack of power and plenty of ram.

[huggermugger]

thanks for the reply's, might hold off on Complex-1. I did the demo on U-he's Bazille and it's pretty good, still some patches exhibit crackling even if one note is played slowly, wonder if this is a symptom of really complicated patch structure?, as I am on a 2023 M2 mac studio, so no lack of power and plenty of ram.

Just a reminder that Voltage Modular is having a sale right now, including Nucleus, their entry level synth, free. And it runs quite nicely as a VST in Reason.

https://store.cherryaudio.com/bundles/v ... us#bundles

[Stamatz]

I like Complex-1 and have Voltage Modular and Poohbears Goodie Bundles. It's all a lot of fun experimenting, learning new things and ideas from other users.
Following along with youtube videos is helpful too. It's a small price to pay for years for learning and enjoyment. The biggest problem is finding the time to fall into this rabbit hole...lol
Certainly don't think Reason is corrupt and will continue to support them in the future. They are the only DAW with a rack/style which emulates true hardware and players.
Being able to walk into a virtual 70's studio with a virtual twist and just go at it for hours is truely a great experience.

[ab459]

Sorry for late reply.

What bug are you referring to? I haven't noticed one yet and may have mistaken it for a design feature.

I would also like to know. I tried out the LP filter and didn't notice a bug.

That's simple.

For achieve self oscillation for LP filter , you need set resonance at max level. And then turn filter Freq knob near to max.
That's all.

You should hear self oscillation.

So, in C1 currently you will not able to hear this. Because it broken.

And, if you will try to do the same with HP, you will hear it. It works for HP.

However, still able to reproduce SO for LP, if drive it by pressed key note for example, but this is not how it should works.
It should sounds from scratch, immediately, the same as in HP case.

(For just in case, places where i alredy mention it viewtopic.php?p=617432#p617432)

[jam-s]

Sorry for late reply.

What bug are you referring to? I haven't noticed one yet and may have mistaken it for a design feature.

I would also like to know. I tried out the LP filter and didn't notice a bug.

That's simple.

For achieve self oscillation for LP filter , you need set resonance at max level. And then turn filter Freq knob near to max.
That's all.

You should hear self oscillation.

So, in C1 currently you will not able to hear this. Because it broken.

And, if you will try to do the same with HP, you will hear it. It works for HP.

However, still able to reproduce SO for LP, if drive it by pressed key note for example, but this is not how it should works.
It should sounds from scratch, immediately, the same as in HP case.

(For just in case, places where i alredy mention it viewtopic.php?p=617432#p617432)

Have you also reported this to RS as an actual bug report ticket?

[ab459]

Have you also reported this to RS as an actual bug report ticket?

Yes, as bug ticket. First time i did report about 4 years ago.
In that time was a small conversation where support indicated that they could not reproduce this bug.
I even sent a video then as proof. As result ticket was closed with no reply to my last messages.

Later (3 year ago) i again open ticket fot this problem, and btw now i did check that report (in my account), and i noticed that was reply (but has no technical nuances, just regular leading question), but i did not reply to this reply, hm somehow did miss it.It seems need try up again lol.

But I’m really not sure if there’s any point in doing this if no one but me needs it? Users didn’t even know that this problem existed at all. Whereas the operation of filters is the first thing I usually check when dealing with modular.

EDIT: Actually, it was fun exactly that - I, who had just received C1, opened it, pressed initialization, connected the filter to the output, and turned the resonance. And I wrote a bug report. That's my whole short story with him lol.

[ambi]

Yes, as bug ticket. First time i did report about 4 years ago.
In that time was a small conversation where support indicated that they could not reproduce this bug.

I also couldn't reproduce that bug. What I hear on both filters sounds similar to me. Maybe I still do something wrong. Is your video still online somewhere?

[ambi]

Update:
I was finally able to reproduce it.
When I connect LP Out with the mixer there is nothing. If I use an additional cable to simultaneously connect HP with the mixer and then remove the cable afterwards, I can see and hear the self oscillation of the LP filter. If I then pull the cable between LP Filter and mixer out and in again there is silence.
Strange behavior...

You even sent them a demo video and they were not able or willing to fix that bug? I must say that I'm very disappointed to hear that about Reason Studios.

[ab459]

Update:
I was finally able to reproduce it.
When I connect LP Out with the mixer there is nothing. If I use an additional cable to simultaneously connect HP with the mixer and then remove the cable afterwards, I can see and hear the self oscillation of the LP filter. If I then pull the cable between LP Filter and mixer out and in again there is silence.
Strange behavior...

You even sent them a demo video and they were not able or willing to fix that bug? I must say that I'm very disappointed to hear that about Reason Studios.

Thanks for reproducing.
Yes, even with video.
I did found old link to my sharing of this video (date 2020-06-10), in case if someone wondering to see this issue
https://www.mediafire.com/file/hh8r3rfb ... P.mp4/file

EDIT: Meanwhile, i would ask you (an everyone who love C1, and know english better than me lol) make bug report about this problem too.
I understand that hope is little, but who know (considering recently fixes for some of old devices, right).

I believe that for a Prop's programmer fixing this - is a mere trifle. Especially when exists working brother HP.

[Bes]

it might not be easy though. backwards compatability for all the pre-existing patches?

[ab459]

it might not be easy though. backwards compatability for all the pre-existing patches?

Yes, I didn't think about that. But if think, the reason for compatibility could be more relevant if self-oscillation at the moment did not work at all. But since it somehow happens with a note pressing, I think in most cases this fix should not affect the nature of the patch. (And we got a lot of fun with properly working module instead)

[ChulaCoola]

I would like Complex 1 more if I could patch from one Complex to another one on the front side. I think I could do some pretty cool stuff.

I was prompted by some comments to try Complex 1 for the first time in a while. I dropped in an RPG-8, allowed it's default connections on the back, and tried the Animated Subtractive Divkid patch. Sounds pretty cool! Others sound cool also.

Now I got to figure out how to use the Dual Arpeggio.