Offline authorization will be discontinued for R11 and earlier - This is serious

[NostraDAWmus]

I see that the "transfer" button has disappeared (license on the key).
Now my license is literally with me forever.

Wait,- does that mean we cannot sell our perpetual licence anymore,- just only because it´s set in stone on the Ignition key ?
Or don´t you mean "licence transfer" ?



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[zebbleganubi]

As much as one part of me doesn't like the discontinuation, another part of me feels pretty good about it. As a R11 user I won't be buying anything new for quite some time, probably not until R13 drops. And it actually makes me feel more committed to work with all the stuff I already have. It's a bit like a distraction is removed and I can now focus even more on just writing music and getting to learn all the stuff I've gathered over the years.

i feel the same way! i was bummed out by this at first because i wont be upgrading or buying any more stuff from reason studios but i know they will make more devices in the future that i will probably like to use

on the bright side it feels like things are going back when i bought Record for the first time and it was a self contained system that couldn't run any VSTs, which was one of the main reasons i bought it because i knew i would get GAS because of them. that did sort of happen with the Rack Extensions eventually and im really glad i got a lot of those REs instead of being stuck with Record's stock devices but it feels good now that i just have to make do with what i have

im also grateful that the RE vst rack is a thing. even though this situation is leaving a bad taste in my mouth i have to give them credit for letting people go outside their "walled garden" which is something i never thought they would do. i switched to linux a few years ago and decided i was only going to give my money to DAWs that work on Linux, so i had pretty much come to terms that i had to give up using reasons stuff for good even though i prefer using the rack/cable system. but now i get to have my cake and eat it now, so things could be worse

[dmitrijsorokin]

Wait,- does that mean we cannot sell our perpetual licence anymore,- just only because it´s set in stone on the Ignition key ?
Or don´t you mean "licence transfer" ?

Yes, the license remained on the Ignition key, and now it is impossible to transfer this license (although the codemeter no longer exists).
I didn't intend to sell my license, but I still won't be able to do it.
Punishment for my Ignition key.

[DaveyG]

The upgrade from R11 to R13 should be $199, Yes? Or will the new authorization tech be extra toppings for me, an Ignition Key Troglodyte?

I think the upgrade price increases by $10 each time you mention "ignition key" on this forum. It's harsh but there is nothing us worms can do about it.

[bxbrkrz]

The upgrade from R11 to R13 should be $199, Yes? Or will the new authorization tech be extra toppings for me, an Ignition Key Troglodyte?

I think the upgrade price increases by $10 each time you mention "ignition key" on this forum. It's harsh but there is nothing us worms can do about it.

This is the way.
Just like elsewhere in the world with the cow fart impact, I am OK paying a tax nudging me to reduce my involuntary ignition key emission footprint.

[NostraDAWmus]

Wait,- does that mean we cannot sell our perpetual licence anymore,- just only because it´s set in stone on the Ignition key ?
Or don´t you mean "licence transfer" ?

Yes, the license remained on the Ignition key, and now it is impossible to transfer this license (although the codemeter no longer exists).
I didn't intend to sell my license, but I still won't be able to do it.
Punishment for my Ignition key.

O.k., thx for this reply !
Now I´m pretty sure, this is clearly violation of customer rights.
I´ll talk to my lawyer about this because I planned selling my Reason licence next future,- and NOT Reason Studios decide when I (have to) do it.
It´s MY decision as a legal Propellerhead/ Reason Studios customer since Reason version 3,- and that´s not the only Phead product I own.

Quote of:
Enduser Licence Agreement
Version dated: 11 February 2021

3. Transfer. You may not rent, lease, or sublicense the Software. You may, however, transfer all your rights to use the Software to another person or entity, provided that you transfer this agreement with the Software.


This was never been updated or changed !

I now saved and printed the site.
https://www.reasonstudios.com/agreements



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[ambi]

Yes, the license remained on the Ignition key, and now it is impossible to transfer this license (although the codemeter no longer exists).
I didn't intend to sell my license, but I still won't be able to do it.
Punishment for my Ignition key.

O.k., thx for this reply !
Now I´m pretty sure, this is clearly violation of customer rights.
I´ll talk to my lawyer about this because I planned selling my Reason licence next future,- and NOT Reason Studios decide when I (have to) do it.
It´s MY decision as a legal Propellerhead/ Reason Studios customer since Reason version 3,- and that´s not the only Phead product I own.



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Maybe it would be a good idea to contact RS first before doing something stupid.

[NostraDAWmus]

Maybe it would be a good idea to contact RS first before doing something stupid.

You mean, it´s stupid asking my lawyer?
I always do,- I´m a pro musician making my living from since late 70s.

Reason Studios (formerly Propellerhead) is in sweden and we benefit from europaen customer rights.
They cannot do what they want/like @any time.

My lawyer is exactly the correct instance to contact RS when I want to sell my licence and it doesn´t work because the company refuses the licence transfer.
It would be not correct I´d have to upgrade to RSN 12 before I´m allowed to sell the licence as also it would be unfair for the buyer of this licence too.
This would be against public policy.



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[EnochLight]

My lawyer is exactly the correct instance to contact RS when I want to sell my licence

Sweet. Let us know how it works out for you and what the outcome is.

[ambi]

Maybe it would be a good idea to contact RS first before doing something stupid.

You mean, it´s stupid asking my lawyer?
I always do,- I´m a pro musician making my living from since late 70s.

Reason Studios (formerly Propellerhead) is in sweden and we benefit from europaen customer rights.
They cannot do what they want/like @any time.

My lawyer is exactly the correct instance to contact RS when I want to sell my licence and it doesn´t work because the company refuses the licence transfer.
It would be not correct I´d have to upgrade to RSN 12 before I´m allowed to sell the licence as also it would be unfair for the buyer of this licence too.
This would be against public policy.



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No, I mean that you should first contact RS to clarify if what dmitrijsorokin says is actually true. Just because the website doesn't show your license/key doesn't necessarily mean that you can't transfer it. Maybe it's still possible via support or the website is not working correctly or is under maintenance.
After clarifying that you can of course still talk to your lawyer or whatever. But if I was you I would first wait for an official statement from RS.

[EnochLight]

Agreed. Last time I checked, lawyers aren't free.

[bxbrkrz]

Maybe it would be a good idea to contact RS first before doing something stupid.

You mean, it´s stupid asking my lawyer?
I always do,- I´m a pro musician making my living from since late 70s.

Reason Studios (formerly Propellerhead) is in sweden and we benefit from europaen customer rights.
They cannot do what they want/like @any time.

My lawyer is exactly the correct instance to contact RS when I want to sell my licence and it doesn´t work because the company refuses the licence transfer.
It would be not correct I´d have to upgrade to RSN 12 before I´m allowed to sell the licence as also it would be unfair for the buyer of this licence too.
This would be against public policy.



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I want to know your lawyer's answer.

[QVprod]

Yes, the license remained on the Ignition key, and now it is impossible to transfer this license (although the codemeter no longer exists).
I didn't intend to sell my license, but I still won't be able to do it.
Punishment for my Ignition key.

O.k., thx for this reply !
Now I´m pretty sure, this is clearly violation of customer rights.
I´ll talk to my lawyer about this because I planned selling my Reason licence next future,- and NOT Reason Studios decide when I (have to) do it.
It´s MY decision as a legal Propellerhead/ Reason Studios customer since Reason version 3,- and that´s not the only Phead product I own.

Quote of:
Enduser Licence Agreement
Version dated: 11 February 2021

3. Transfer. You may not rent, lease, or sublicense the Software. You may, however, transfer all your rights to use the Software to another person or entity, provided that you transfer this agreement with the Software.


This was never been updated or changed !

I now saved and printed the site.
https://www.reasonstudios.com/agreements



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That would be a very expensive and hard fight that you could probably easily solve with an email.

They may have a way to deauthorize the ignition key still. It’s not like they explicitly said you can’t sell R11

[jam-s]

Wait,- does that mean we cannot sell our perpetual licence anymore,- just only because it´s set in stone on the Ignition key ?
Or don´t you mean "licence transfer" ?

Yes, the license remained on the Ignition key, and now it is impossible to transfer this license (although the codemeter no longer exists).
I didn't intend to sell my license, but I still won't be able to do it.
Punishment for my Ignition key.

I think it was always like this. Before you could transfer a license you had to de-authorize any ignition key or computer. If de-authorising the IK is now not possible any more, then the license is really stuck to your account.

[challism]

I think the upgrade price increases by $10 each time you mention "ignition key" on this forum. It's harsh but there is nothing us worms can do about it.

This is the way.
Just like elsewhere in the world with the cow fart impact, I am OK paying a tax nudging me to reduce my involuntary ignition key emission footprint.

The price has increased $40 just from these replies mentioning the ignition key. Please stop mentioning the ignition key. Damn it! That's $50.

[NostraDAWmus]

My lawyer is exactly the correct instance to contact RS when I want to sell my licence

Sweet. Let us know how it works out for you and what the outcome is.

When you quote me, please quote the complete line and not only the half !
(2nd half: ... when I want to sell my licence and it doesn´t work because the company refuses the licence transfer.

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[EnochLight]

When you quote me, please quote the complete line

I only need to quote the portion I am directing my response at. I'm efficient like that!

[NostraDAWmus]

No, I mean that you should first contact RS to clarify if what dmitrijsorokin says is actually true. Just because the website doesn't show your license/key doesn't necessarily mean that you can't transfer it. Maybe it's still possible via support or the website is not working correctly or is under maintenance.

QFT !
This would be exactly what I´d do after talking to my lawyer.
But I´d talk to him 1st by several reasons.

But if I was you I would first wait for an official statement from RS.

I´m not about selling my licence today,- so they have the time to clarify Igniton key based licence transfers until I decide for.

´nuff said,- all the other "sly dogs" here better re-read what I wrote.
And thx for wrapping your heads around if I´m able to hire layers if I need ´em or not.

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[NostraDAWmus]

If de-authorising the IK is now not possible any more, then the license is really stuck to your account.

And exactly THAT would be the violation of customer rights and a never been announced change of Reason Studios´ Terms of Service" document (see link in my post above).

anyway ...

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[NostraDAWmus]

Sweet. Let us know how it works out for you and what the outcome is.

I´d charge YOU for that info because I´d pay the lawyer(s).

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[NostraDAWmus]

I only need to quote the portion I am directing my response at. I'm efficient like that!

I only recognize you´re efficient in creating user´s posts manipulation and consequently false info and fake news w/ this "efficient" technique !

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[EnochLight]

I´d charge YOU for that info because I´d pay the lawyer(s).

I only recognize you´re efficient in creating user´s posts manipulation and consequently false info and fake news w/ this "efficient" technique !

Come again? I mean, if you're going to falsely accuse me of something, you can at least put up the proof. Otherwise, you're being a sly dog and talking shit.

[ambi]

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QFT !
This would be exactly what I´d do after talking to my lawyer.
But I´d talk to him 1st by several reasons.

You can waste your time however you see fit of course. I just wanted to help. Your lawyer will probably also ask if you actually contacted RS or if your assumptions are all just based on the post of some guy from an internet forum.

[dakta]

probably wading into this blind but can't you just ask reasonstudios how to go about the process now?

I have software for another purpose (vehicle ecu tuning) and it costs a pretty penny. It's written in the agreement that you can't resell or transfer, no ifs or buts and whilst I know people have, realistically we have agreed to lose that right so I wouldn't be surprised if you'd have a fight on your hands.

Reasonstudios doesn't seem to have this problem using this page as a source - https://help.reasonstudios.com/hc/en-us ... structions.

Obviously the actual process is now a bit broken, so surely it's just the case of ask RS what the equivelent process is now? I'd only go the legal route if they actually refused or tried to change the contract unilaterally, and the very existence of that page sort of states where you stand. The fact that a technical change has invalidated the process isn't itself an indicator of anything, you just need the support to clarify the equivalent action/process.

Just my musing, feel free to ignore.

[dvdrtldg]

Wait someone is actually lawyering up over this?

That's it kids, we've reached Peak Reason User Forum