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This is the best way, but sometimes can try to build a pitch detector (based on Neptune, Beatspeak or something like that).
Of course, there will not be high detection accuracy, but this may be suitable for live.
Thanks.
I had a play around with this today.
What I found is that I lost a lot of the character of the analog synth (as an audio input source), and found much more pleasing results simply by using the internal exciter in Objekt, and layering the direct analog synth with an Objekt layer. This especially made a big difference to the transients.
A typical exciter is just shaped noise, so it won’t necessarily sound “analog” in this context. The advantage of external exciters IMO is for stuff like creating rhythmic effects or spectral effects (where the range of frequencies of the exciter changes even when Objekts pitch does not). This could include using an exciter synth that generates a random filter frequency/Q with every note, or sending a drum machine pattern to trigger the synth while holding notes on Objekt, or just sending that drum machine pattern directly into Objekt. In these cases I’d suggest shutting off the internal exciters entirely.raymondh wrote: ↑27 May 2023Thanks.
I had a play around with this today.
What I found is that I lost a lot of the character of the analog synth (as an audio input source), and found much more pleasing results simply by using the internal exciter in Objekt, and layering the direct analog synth with an Objekt layer. This especially made a big difference to the transients.
I don’t think you need a pitch detector since you typically don’t want the exciter’s pitch to be super obvious or it won’t have as much effect in my experience. But you often DO want to have both synths triggered by the same MIDI notes, so putting them in a Combinator is where I start when exploring these options.
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I've gone the Combinator route... for inputs into Objekt. So far I've experimented with Subtractor, Thör, Malström, Grain, Europa, Monotone Bass (super fun!), and Algoritm. What an amazing world of sounds you can create with these combinations.selig wrote: ↑27 May 2023A typical exciter is just shaped noise, so it won’t necessarily sound “analog” in this context. The advantage of external exciters IMO is for stuff like creating rhythmic effects or spectral effects (where the range of frequencies of the exciter changes even when Objekts pitch does not). This could include using an exciter synth that generates a random filter frequency/Q with every note, or sending a drum machine pattern to trigger the synth while holding notes on Objekt, or just sending that drum machine pattern directly into Objekt. In these cases I’d suggest shutting off the internal exciters entirely.raymondh wrote: ↑27 May 2023
Thanks.
I had a play around with this today.
What I found is that I lost a lot of the character of the analog synth (as an audio input source), and found much more pleasing results simply by using the internal exciter in Objekt, and layering the direct analog synth with an Objekt layer. This especially made a big difference to the transients.
I don’t think you need a pitch detector since you typically don’t want the exciter’s pitch to be super obvious or it won’t have as much effect in my experience. But you often DO want to have both synths triggered by the same MIDI notes, so putting them in a Combinator is where I start when exploring these options.
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Excellent context, and now I "get it", reinvigorated at using the external audio input! Thanks!selig wrote: ↑27 May 2023A typical exciter is just shaped noise, so it won’t necessarily sound “analog” in this context. The advantage of external exciters IMO is for stuff like creating rhythmic effects or spectral effects (where the range of frequencies of the exciter changes even when Objekts pitch does not). This could include using an exciter synth that generates a random filter frequency/Q with every note, or sending a drum machine pattern to trigger the synth while holding notes on Objekt, or just sending that drum machine pattern directly into Objekt. In these cases I’d suggest shutting off the internal exciters entirely.raymondh wrote: ↑27 May 2023
Thanks.
I had a play around with this today.
What I found is that I lost a lot of the character of the analog synth (as an audio input source), and found much more pleasing results simply by using the internal exciter in Objekt, and layering the direct analog synth with an Objekt layer. This especially made a big difference to the transients.
I don’t think you need a pitch detector since you typically don’t want the exciter’s pitch to be super obvious or it won’t have as much effect in my experience. But you often DO want to have both synths triggered by the same MIDI notes, so putting them in a Combinator is where I start when exploring these options.
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If you haven't watched the live stream they did a couple of days ago, it was a very inspiring session full of tips and tricks, including the external input. There's a part where Matthias is playing the guitar into the mic to excite objekt, and doing drums with the fingers. Well worth the time watching!raymondh wrote: ↑27 May 2023Excellent context, and now I "get it", reinvigorated at using the external audio input! Thanks!selig wrote: ↑27 May 2023
A typical exciter is just shaped noise, so it won’t necessarily sound “analog” in this context. The advantage of external exciters IMO is for stuff like creating rhythmic effects or spectral effects (where the range of frequencies of the exciter changes even when Objekts pitch does not). This could include using an exciter synth that generates a random filter frequency/Q with every note, or sending a drum machine pattern to trigger the synth while holding notes on Objekt, or just sending that drum machine pattern directly into Objekt. In these cases I’d suggest shutting off the internal exciters entirely.
I don’t think you need a pitch detector since you typically don’t want the exciter’s pitch to be super obvious or it won’t have as much effect in my experience. But you often DO want to have both synths triggered by the same MIDI notes, so putting them in a Combinator is where I start when exploring these options.
thanks! I'll check it out!PhillipOrdonez wrote: ↑27 May 2023If you haven't watched the live stream they did a couple of days ago, it was a very inspiring session full of tips and tricks, including the external input. There's a part where Matthias is playing the guitar into the mic to excite objekt, and doing drums with the fingers. Well worth the time watching!
For most (tuned) instruments, use as an exciter can cause unwanted resonances with very high peaks. To avoid this, you need to adjust tune of the Objekt too.selig wrote: ↑27 May 2023A typical exciter is just shaped noise, so it won’t necessarily sound “analog” in this context. The advantage of external exciters IMO is for stuff like creating rhythmic effects or spectral effects (where the range of frequencies of the exciter changes even when Objekts pitch does not). This could include using an exciter synth that generates a random filter frequency/Q with every note, or sending a drum machine pattern to trigger the synth while holding notes on Objekt, or just sending that drum machine pattern directly into Objekt. In these cases I’d suggest shutting off the internal exciters entirely.
I don’t think you need a pitch detector since you typically don’t want the exciter’s pitch to be super obvious or it won’t have as much effect in my experience. But you often DO want to have both synths triggered by the same MIDI notes, so putting them in a Combinator is where I start when exploring these options.
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Having spent a couple of weeks messing around with Objekt, I think Reason Studios did a great job providing starter templates and the randomizer is helpful in getting variations. Still I'd like to learn more about what I'm doing. In particular, I'd like resources for understanding physical modeling and why those frequency or feedback delay numbers found in the modal and objekt panels produce the sounds that they do.
Any suggestions?
Any suggestions?
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Seems unlikely. Not much happening on the iOS front for a while from RS unfortunately. But, They did make Europa into a VST plug-in. Maybe an Objekt VST might happen? Seems to be a good amount of interest outside of Reason circles for Objekt.
Fixed it for you:Faastwalker wrote: ↑28 May 2023Seems unlikely. Not much happening on the iOS front for a while from RS unfortunately. But, They did make Europa into a VST plug-in. Maybe an Objekt VST might happen? Seems to be a good amount of interest outside of Reason circles for Objekt.
But, They did make Europa into a VST plug-in and discontinued it quite shortly after, so an Objekt VST seems unlikely to happen.
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Great new video from Adam Fielding on Objekt patch creation;
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Reason Studios announce Objekt song challenge;
https://reasonstudios.com/blog/objekt-song-challenge/
https://reasonstudios.com/blog/objekt-song-challenge/
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Deserves it's own threadFaastwalker wrote: ↑07 Jun 2023Reason Studios announce Objekt song challenge;
https://reasonstudios.com/blog/objekt-song-challenge/
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Okay. Done
This device is incredible. The amount of time in the past which I've spent trying to make sounds more natural is immeasurable.
With Objekt, it supercharges my workflow because it already has a very nice "natural" sound with little effort.
I've always been distant from using samples unless absolutely needed and because of that, I find great pleasure in creating sounds with Objekt. No need to tote around massive sample libraries and keeping Reason project file sizes extremely small.
The mod matrix is the icing on the cake <3
Thanks to everyone involved in bringing this thing to fruition!
With Objekt, it supercharges my workflow because it already has a very nice "natural" sound with little effort.
I've always been distant from using samples unless absolutely needed and because of that, I find great pleasure in creating sounds with Objekt. No need to tote around massive sample libraries and keeping Reason project file sizes extremely small.
The mod matrix is the icing on the cake <3
Thanks to everyone involved in bringing this thing to fruition!
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Is there a place where we can share and exchange Objekt patches? This is very interesting to explore and discuss ideas
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