Players vs Rack Extensions
I was a bit disappointed when Players were first introduced as they didn't include CV inputs. As far as I can tell the idea of Players over Rack Extensions was to simplify the process, like the drag and drop nature of Players, likely to appeal to a larger audience and divert away from that 'Reason is an over-complicated DAW' idea out there. Perhaps excluding CV connections aligned with this simplified idea, but I was always a bit burned by it, as having immediate CV access is useful and what we were used to.
There was a crappy work around to convert to CV in the beginning, then someone released a device that made it a bit easier, then roughly a week ago a new device was added that allowed this again, maybe in a better way I'm not sure. It made me want to stop and ask a few questions.
Do you think Players should have had CV connections all along?
Do you think it would have been much different / better / worse if instead of Players, we just continued with Rack Extensions?
Any thoughts in regards to Rack Extensions vs Players? I could be missing the idea entirely as I haven't taken to Players much to be honest.
By the way I think the RS Players look wonderful and modern with their white and neon themes and I hope Reason itself will look like this one day.
There was a crappy work around to convert to CV in the beginning, then someone released a device that made it a bit easier, then roughly a week ago a new device was added that allowed this again, maybe in a better way I'm not sure. It made me want to stop and ask a few questions.
Do you think Players should have had CV connections all along?
Do you think it would have been much different / better / worse if instead of Players, we just continued with Rack Extensions?
Any thoughts in regards to Rack Extensions vs Players? I could be missing the idea entirely as I haven't taken to Players much to be honest.
By the way I think the RS Players look wonderful and modern with their white and neon themes and I hope Reason itself will look like this one day.
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Just to get some context to your questions...
What workaround are you referring to?
Which device do you mean? Are you talking about CV Player TAP?
I'm not aware of a new device with such functionality.
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For me players are goat for live playing music
I'm not even using reason DAW
I'm not even using reason DAW
All players are Rack Extensions. Players were introduced as a further "device type" to RE SDK.
The very first stock players from RS had not CV inputs and outputs that is true. But this changed later on in further players. So it is supported by the RE SDK (maybe it was added lateron after the first SDK release for players) and it depends on the developer to add it or not.
Using players with their "invisible cables" has some advantages. It´s easier, polyphonic and notes are sent in realtime (more than one note event in one batch).
Personally, I´d welcome to have more CV connections on the early players like Scales & Chords, etc to control some of the parameters like Number Of Notes, etc by CV. I use a Combi for that right now.
The very first stock players from RS had not CV inputs and outputs that is true. But this changed later on in further players. So it is supported by the RE SDK (maybe it was added lateron after the first SDK release for players) and it depends on the developer to add it or not.
Using players with their "invisible cables" has some advantages. It´s easier, polyphonic and notes are sent in realtime (more than one note event in one batch).
Personally, I´d welcome to have more CV connections on the early players like Scales & Chords, etc to control some of the parameters like Number Of Notes, etc by CV. I use a Combi for that right now.
Thanks for explaining that. I didn't know Players got CV connections eventually so I guess my question is kind of unnecessary. I haven't delved into the Player world almost at all but I'm glad that they are popular and people like them, cheers.artotaku wrote: ↑04 Jan 2023All players are Rack Extensions. Players were introduced as a further "device type" to RE SDK.
The very first stock players from RS had not CV inputs and outputs that is true. But this changed later on in further players. So it is supported by the RE SDK (maybe it was added lateron after the first SDK release for players) and it depends on the developer to add it or not.
Using players with their "invisible cables" has some advantages. It´s easier, polyphonic and notes are sent in realtime (more than one note event in one batch).
Personally, I´d welcome to have more CV connections on the early players like Scales & Chords, etc to control some of the parameters like Number Of Notes, etc by CV. I use a Combi for that right now.
OK so about two weeks ago a device was released by Le Note Live Software, and the device is called 'Player Receive Notes.' I saw this briefly, and because of its title and because of my misunderstanding about Players now having CV inputs, I was led to the assumption that this was a new device similar to CV Player Tap, hence this thread.
Yes I was talking about CV Player Tap.
Yes there was a crappy work around, the first post in this thread will have to suffice: viewtopic.php?t=7506998
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Virtually every Player has plenty of CV input, via a Combinator (or Insert in older versions of Reason). Maybe some day you'll "delve into the Player world" and discover the power of Players.
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To add on this - there are some utility players e. g. like the free CVPT by lectric Panda that act as a bridge between the players and CV "world". They convert the players notes to CV Gate/Note signals and vice versa so you can connect different player chains by CV. It looses some of its advantages like Polyphony though.Jagwah wrote: ↑04 Jan 2023Thanks for explaining that. I didn't know Players got CV connections eventually so I guess my question is kind of unnecessary. I haven't delved into the Player world almost at all but I'm glad that they are popular and people like them, cheers.artotaku wrote: ↑04 Jan 2023All players are Rack Extensions. Players were introduced as a further "device type" to RE SDK.
The very first stock players from RS had not CV inputs and outputs that is true. But this changed later on in further players. So it is supported by the RE SDK (maybe it was added lateron after the first SDK release for players) and it depends on the developer to add it or not.
Using players with their "invisible cables" has some advantages. It´s easier, polyphonic and notes are sent in realtime (more than one note event in one batch).
Personally, I´d welcome to have more CV connections on the early players like Scales & Chords, etc to control some of the parameters like Number Of Notes, etc by CV. I use a Combi for that right now.
I'd definitely recommend you take a second look at Players. While I don't use them all for me Players have many uses and there are some that are invaluable.
What kind of music do you make or techniques do you use in your music? Perhaps people here can suggest some uses for Players in your music.
What kind of music do you make or techniques do you use in your music? Perhaps people here can suggest some uses for Players in your music.
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Just for the record, and as a RE developer, I can say that Players have had CV availability since day one. I also added CV/Gate style inputs very early on for my first few devices.
CV outputs are a slightly different matter, because of how CV works in general, but it is still absolutely possible to implement them, and has been since day one. I had one implemented on day one near enough, but not as a note output, it was a device to device sync control.
CV outputs are a slightly different matter, because of how CV works in general, but it is still absolutely possible to implement them, and has been since day one. I had one implemented on day one near enough, but not as a note output, it was a device to device sync control.
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Ah, that one. I thought that was an update, but indeed it seems to be a new release. All those Le Note stuff looks alike
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It's basically just that very first generation of players that didn't have CV (Dual Arp, Scales & Chords, Note Echo - mostly released by Reason). Who knows why they decided to omit CV on those early devices; probably as you said, to help dispel the idea that Reason is an overly complicated DAW. But they have been putting CV on players since those early players were released, although they don't always have note/gate output (which is odd to me). But as mentioned by others, devices like MIDI-CV Converter and CVPT have helped as a workaround to that shortcoming. The two newest RS players (BLG and CS) both have some interesting CV outputs not yet seen on other players; I'd love to see RS include some CV on their earliest players.
And while we are discussing missing features of players.... I'll just repeat for the 100th time... why won't they give us individually foldable players? This makes me absolutely crazy. I don't understand why the completely abandoned that useful feature found on every other device in the rack.
That's not a new player, it's an update. And that is a great player that I've been using it for years (usually in conjunction with MIDI-CV Converter) - it basically stops the flow of MIDI so notes don't feed through it to the players/instruments below it in the rack. Very useful and essential for any avid player users.crimsonwarlock wrote: ↑04 Jan 2023Ah, that one. I thought that was an update, but indeed it seems to be a new release. All those Le Note stuff looks alike
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See, that's what I thought. I didn't look at the version number though and not seeing a release log with earlier dates (on the shop page) I thought it was released last December. I also have it installed, but didn't check my installation date. Also, I haven't used it yet myself, so that added to the confusion.
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I didn't use it until it was pointed out to me what it actually does. It's kind of hard to know what LeNote devices do or how to use them because they dont have manuals and there isn't much useful info on their shop pages. I still don't understand the rest of the LeNote devices, but I use Receive Notes all the time. It's great!crimsonwarlock wrote: ↑05 Jan 2023See, that's what I thought. I didn't look at the version number though and not seeing a release log with earlier dates (on the shop page) I thought it was released last December. I also have it installed, but didn't check my installation date. Also, I haven't used it yet myself, so that added to the confusion.
The other LeNote devices are also very useful utility players/REs. Most of those dealing with (re-)routing CV or audio. But for sure they could use better manuals or more detailed explanation on how to use them.challism wrote: ↑05 Jan 2023I didn't use it until it was pointed out to me what it actually does. It's kind of hard to know what LeNote devices do or how to use them because they dont have manuals and there isn't much useful info on their shop pages. I still don't understand the rest of the LeNote devices, but I use Receive Notes all the time. It's great!
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I wonder if Carly has made any videos covering LeNote devices.jam-s wrote: ↑05 Jan 2023The other LeNote devices are also very useful utility players/REs. Most of those dealing with (re-)routing CV or audio. But for sure they could use better manuals or more detailed explanation on how to use them.challism wrote: ↑05 Jan 2023I didn't use it until it was pointed out to me what it actually does. It's kind of hard to know what LeNote devices do or how to use them because they dont have manuals and there isn't much useful info on their shop pages. I still don't understand the rest of the LeNote devices, but I use Receive Notes all the time. It's great!
Carly(Poohbear) wrote: Dude loves CV and Rotties
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I have and they are all great and worth a closer look.challism wrote: ↑05 Jan 2023I wonder if Carly has made any videos covering LeNote devices.Carly(Poohbear) wrote: Dude loves CV and Rotties
Here are a couple to start with...
How do you create these videos wher you show with your hands?Carly(Poohbear) wrote: ↑08 Jan 2023I have and they are all great and worth a closer look.
Here are a couple to start with...
Really cool
Carly's a magician!Marc64 wrote: ↑08 Jan 2023How do you create these videos wher you show with your hands?Carly(Poohbear) wrote: ↑08 Jan 2023
I have and they are all great and worth a closer look.
Here are a couple to start with...
Really cool
Thanks for posting the links. Great stuff, as always.
Thanks for the tip and knowing Props have put a lot of work in to them I'm sure they are very useful and inspiring and more and I should check them out.dioxide wrote: ↑04 Jan 2023I'd definitely recommend you take a second look at Players. While I don't use them all for me Players have many uses and there are some that are invaluable.
What kind of music do you make or techniques do you use in your music? Perhaps people here can suggest some uses for Players in your music.
As for my music and techniques and recommendations, I like to think I cover a fair few genres but as I am very much on a learning journey right now the idea of new devices and gear just do not have the appeal they used to. I'm still on Reason 10 and upgrading holds literally no interest to me, I would do it for compatibility with other users before anything else. I got Algoritm a while back and love it, but I can't see myself wanting much else in the near future, which is a good thing, but cheers for the thought anyway
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