i tried remaking this sound in vital

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samsome
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Post 06 Sep 2022

first sound is what i'm going after

second one is the one i'm getting from vital synth

https://whyp.it/tracks/41227/avbb?token=Lfxd6

can someone tell me what improvement i can make to come closer to the first sound

i tried saw waveform unison lfo on pitch volume etc distortion

Jac459
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Post 06 Sep 2022

Hello, I can't test now but you definitely need a bit of filter, your sound is a bit too bright, I would think a ladder with 24db will give you this kind of vibrating sound. There is also some dark reverb (low end only).
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samsome
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Post 06 Sep 2022

Jac459 wrote:
06 Sep 2022
Hello, I can't test now but you definitely need a bit of filter, your sound is a bit too bright, I would think a ladder with 24db will give you this kind of vibrating sound. There is also some dark reverb (low end only).
please test!! ;p i'll try what u said though

this is what i get

i still can't get it to buzz like the first sound Edit: when i say buzz i mean the tone of the sound

https://whyp.it/tracks/41250/avbbc?token=VJIpS
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Popey
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Post 06 Sep 2022

To me your first attempt sounded closer but it sounds like the lfo rate is too fast and may I ask what it is modulating?
The target sounds to me perhaps like a sine wave modulating filter cutoff (only slightly) and perhaps synced to 1/16, 3/16 or 1/8 notes but the sync rate would be dependent on what bpm your original sound is to get close to the original.

samsome
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Post 06 Sep 2022

Popey wrote:
06 Sep 2022
To me your first attempt sounded closer but it sounds like the lfo rate is too fast and may I ask what it is modulating?
The target sounds to me perhaps like a sine wave modulating filter cutoff (only slightly) and perhaps synced to 1/16, 3/16 or 1/8 notes but the sync rate would be dependent on what bpm your original sound is to get close to the original.
it was modulating pitch i don't remember if it was volume as well

but at this point i'm more concerned with how to get the tone of the sound rather than the overall shape or whatever

i can't understand how to get that tone

Popey
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Post 06 Sep 2022

samsome wrote:
06 Sep 2022
Popey wrote:
06 Sep 2022
To me your first attempt sounded closer but it sounds like the lfo rate is too fast and may I ask what it is modulating?
The target sounds to me perhaps like a sine wave modulating filter cutoff (only slightly) and perhaps synced to 1/16, 3/16 or 1/8 notes but the sync rate would be dependent on what bpm your original sound is to get close to the original.
it was modulating pitch i don't remember if it was volume as well

but at this point i'm more concerned with how to get the tone of the sound rather than the overall shape or whatever

i can't understand how to get that tone
It seemed to me like your modulation was at too high a rate so perhaps try some different sync values on the lfo and I think it's filter modulation not pitch or volume imo.

samsome
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Post 06 Sep 2022

thanks but i tried it already if anyone can get that tone i would be interested to see how they done it

Jac459
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Post 07 Sep 2022

Okay, this challenge is very funny.
Coming quite close but not exactly.
I tried many of the saws, quad saws, and pwm of vital with the intermediate state, no change.
Then a bit of waveshaper, folding saturation, no chance.
The sound is definitely a saw with a bit of pwm touch but I can't put the finger on it.
I tried to cheat.
I tried all the leads of Spire (the world champion in Saw wave), Serum, Antidote, Exhale, no chance.
Quite close, but not exactly the same sound...
I'll try a bit later today again.
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Jac459
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Post 07 Sep 2022

Jac459 wrote:
07 Sep 2022
Okay, this challenge is very funny.
Coming quite close but not exactly.
I tried many of the saws, quad saws, and pwm of vital with the intermediate state, no change.
Then a bit of waveshaper, folding saturation, no chance.
The sound is definitely a saw with a bit of pwm, unison, touch but I can't put the finger on it.
I tried to cheat.
I tried all the leads of Spire (the world champion in Saw wave), Serum, Antidote, Exhale, no chance.
Quite close, but not exactly the same sound...
I'll try a bit later today again.
Bitwig and RRP fanboy...

samsome
Posts: 364
Joined: 18 Dec 2015

Post 07 Sep 2022

Jac459 wrote:
07 Sep 2022
Okay, this challenge is very funny.
Coming quite close but not exactly.
I tried many of the saws, quad saws, and pwm of vital with the intermediate state, no change.
Then a bit of waveshaper, folding saturation, no chance.
The sound is definitely a saw with a bit of pwm touch but I can't put the finger on it.
I tried to cheat.
I tried all the leads of Spire (the world champion in Saw wave), Serum, Antidote, Exhale, no chance.
Quite close, but not exactly the same sound...
I'll try a bit later today again.
thanks for trying!!!! its actually a patch from hydroxenius 2 or whatever its called Rom Vibrato lead but that is a rombler more or less and i can't figure out exactly how to recreate the sound with vital

Jac459
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Post 07 Sep 2022

samsome wrote:
07 Sep 2022

thanks for trying!!!! its actually a patch from hydroxenius 2 or whatever its called Rom Vibrato lead but that is a rombler more or less and i can't figure out exactly how to recreate the sound with vital
Ah ok, good to know.

So I tried again a bit with no real luck.
What I think: the lfo like effect is in fact coming from the detune of the unison. I think the unison has not many voices, maybe 3. And then the detune is at 20% arround.
What I can't get exactly is the wave form. It has the harshness of a Sawtooth but a bit of the timbre of a Pulse. So far the most approaching is a pulse with small width. Then I feel the timbre is good but it loose this harchness of the original sound.
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Jac459
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Post 07 Sep 2022

This is my best approximation but still an approximation.
Please change the mp3 extension by .vital. It is a vital preset.
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samsome
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Post 07 Sep 2022

Jac459 wrote:
07 Sep 2022
This is my best approximation but still an approximation.
Please change the mp3 extension by .vital. It is a vital preset.
thanks! i think changing the first oscillator to sawtooth comes closer, or maybe both but yes in general thats closer! thanks for this

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