New RE 295 Equaliser by EKSS and Past to Future

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Post 14 Jun 2022

https://www.reasonstudios.com/shop/rack ... equalizer/

I’m going to check this one out, but it’s a bummer that there is no CV control over anything on this.

https://www.instagram.com/tv/Cey09y4jo8V/

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Post 14 Jun 2022

Looks like Soundtoys SieQ, which I guess isn't surprising

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Post 14 Jun 2022

https://www.reasonstudios.com/shop/rack ... equalizer/

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The 295EQ captures the spirit of a vintage analog German equalizer, known as one of the best, creamiest and most colorful of all the germanium EQs. Originally found in broadcast consoles, designed for radio station use.

It featured a fixed frequency High- and Low-Shelf with +/-15dB in 3dB increments, both based on the classic Resistor/Capacitor design. The multi-tapped inductor-based Mid Range Bell has set frequencies of 700Hz, 1kHz, 1.5kHz, 2.3kHz, 3.5kHz, and 5.6kHz with +/-8dB in 2dB increments.

Based on IRs carefully captured by Past to Future combined with DSP modelling for that analog vibe that Ekssperimental Sounds has become known for.

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Post 14 Jun 2022

Ooooh dem sexy knobs

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Post 14 Jun 2022

i wish we could get the 'clunk' sounds of the knobs too

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Post 14 Jun 2022

oh i see there are two of these threads now. mods can delete this or merge, i don't mind :thumbup:

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Post 14 Jun 2022

love the siemens eq! midrange delight :)

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Post 14 Jun 2022

Pretty sure he's working on a couple of creative delay and reverb devices too - expected those to be next.

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Post 14 Jun 2022

MarkTarlton wrote:
14 Jun 2022
love the siemens eq! midrange delight :)
If I ever release an EQ plugin, I'm going to call it Midrange Delight

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Post 15 Jun 2022

I just wanted to give a huge thumbs up for this one!
There's gobs of character here, instant 1960's sound.

While there's only a few controls, they are well thought out, very interactive, and can be quite versatile. But what really makes it shine is the quality of saturation you get, even on lowish gain settings. Not distortion per se (unless you crank the gains), but a crunchy sparkle.
I have no idea of how it compares to the original hardware, or the SoundToys VST one, but since it uses convolution (probably a separate IR response for each notch of the knob), there's a chance that it might get pretty close.

A few downsides - it uses a fair bit of CPU. On my old Macbook Pro, the Class EQ uses 0%, the Channel EQ uses 1%, the RedRock ModularRE ones use 1%, but the EKSS 295 uses 5-6%! That would add up quickly if I used it as a channel EQ on a dozen channels. And the CPU drain doesn't go down if you use it as a mono unit on a single input/output.

And since it overdrives easily (you can make things fuzzy with some EQ boost, even with the input gain set to +-0), some metering to help you monitor the crunch would be appreciated.

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Post 15 Jun 2022

AnotherMathias wrote:
15 Jun 2022
I just wanted to give a huge thumbs up for this one!
There's gobs of character here, instant 1960's sound.

While there's only a few controls, they are well thought out, very interactive, and can be quite versatile. But what really makes it shine is the quality of saturation you get, even on lowish gain settings. Not distortion per se (unless you crank the gains), but a crunchy sparkle.
I have no idea of how it compares to the original hardware, or the SoundToys VST one, but since it uses convolution (probably a separate IR response for each notch of the knob), there's a chance that it might get pretty close.

A few downsides - it uses a fair bit of CPU. On my old Macbook Pro, the Class EQ uses 0%, the Channel EQ uses 1%, the RedRock ModularRE ones use 1%, but the EKSS 295 uses 5-6%! That would add up quickly if I used it as a channel EQ on a dozen channels. And the CPU drain doesn't go down if you use it as a mono unit on a single input/output.

And since it overdrives easily (you can make things fuzzy with some EQ boost, even with the input gain set to +-0), some metering to help you monitor the crunch would be appreciated.
Thanks for the feedback!
Yes, each knob setting is a separate IR. The convolution module in Gorilla Engine eats some CPU on the highest setting so it might be a good idea to incorporate a CPU savings option in an update!
Some kind of metering would be good too!

Cheers!

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Post 15 Jun 2022

Quite pleasant crunch on it :-)

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Post 16 Jun 2022

True, I´m wondering why not :-)
DJMaytag wrote:
14 Jun 2022
[...]

I’m going to check this one out, but it’s a bummer that there is no CV control over anything on this.

[...]

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Post 16 Jun 2022

moofi wrote:
16 Jun 2022
True, I´m wondering why not :-)
DJMaytag wrote:
14 Jun 2022
[...]

I’m going to check this one out, but it’s a bummer that there is no CV control over anything on this.

[...]
Since the EQ controls step through a collection of IRs, there’s no way to make those controls respond smoothly to CV.
The input and output gains could, I suppose.

<Edit>
Actually, the input and output gain knobs are stepped as well, but they don't cut the sound off briefly, like the EQ knobs do.
Maybe that means they could be CV controlled without the steps, but that's doesn't seem to be worth the trouble.
Last edited by AnotherMathias on 16 Jun 2022, edited 1 time in total.

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Post 16 Jun 2022

ekss wrote:
15 Jun 2022
Thanks for the feedback!
Yes, each knob setting is a separate IR. The convolution module in Gorilla Engine eats some CPU on the highest setting so it might be a good idea to incorporate a CPU savings option in an update!
Some kind of metering would be good too!

Cheers!
Awesome - CPU savings and metering would make it really great!

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Post 16 Jun 2022

I hear what you are saying then I love stepped modulation where wanted as long as it doesn´t produce clicks.
The frequency parameters do produce clicks, the gains are doing well.

Edit: Btw why trouble? I at least guess it should be fairly easy doing so, especially having done it many times. Just a guess though.

Edit2: I love stepped modulation especially at audiorates.
AnotherMathias wrote:
16 Jun 2022
moofi wrote:
16 Jun 2022
True, I´m wondering why not :-)

Since the EQ controls step through a collection of IRs, there’s no way to make those controls respond smoothly to CV.
The input and output gains could, I suppose.

<Edit>
Actually, the input and output gain knobs are stepped as well, but they don't cut the sound off briefly, like the EQ knobs do.
Maybe that means they could be CV controlled without the steps, but that's doesn't seem to be worth the trouble.

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Post 17 Jun 2022

moofi wrote:
16 Jun 2022
I hear what you are saying then I love stepped modulation where wanted as long as it doesn´t produce clicks.
The frequency parameters do produce clicks, the gains are doing well.

Edit: Btw why trouble? I at least guess it should be fairly easy doing so, especially having done it many times. Just a guess though.

Edit2: I love stepped modulation especially at audiorates.
AnotherMathias wrote:
16 Jun 2022


Since the EQ controls step through a collection of IRs, there’s no way to make those controls respond smoothly to CV.
The input and output gains could, I suppose.

<Edit>
Actually, the input and output gain knobs are stepped as well, but they don't cut the sound off briefly, like the EQ knobs do.
Maybe that means they could be CV controlled without the steps, but that's doesn't seem to be worth the trouble.
Like you said, there are small clicks when mid frequencies are changed, as the IRs are activated/deactivated, I minimized it by having it bypass for a few milliseconds during the change but it will always be a gap while switching. So modulating it would not be a pleasant experience.
The in/out gain could be smoothly modulated by cv but I didn’t think it was essential, and it could easily be modulated by something before or after, using for example the mix channel level cv.

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Post 17 Jun 2022

ekss wrote:
17 Jun 2022
Like you said, there are small clicks when mid frequencies are changed, as the IRs are activated/deactivated, I minimized it by having it bypass for a few milliseconds during the change but it will always be a gap while switching. So modulating it would not be a pleasant experience.
The in/out gain could be smoothly modulated by cv but I didn’t think it was essential, and it could easily be modulated by something before or after, using for example the mix channel level cv.
Wouldn't it be possible to load the new IR in the background and then crossfade between both so no clicks or sudden silence would occur?

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moofi
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Post 17 Jun 2022

What I was referring to is the gain knob for every frequency because those are clean when being modulated, it´s merely clicking with the frequency band changing. Saying while testing audiorate modulation on this specific EQ´s frequency gains I really liked the sound they produce because they are stepped. The edginess of the stepped modulation along the crunch of this EQ adds a pleasant, well, edge to it :-D

Can create an audioexample. In this case it´s, like usual, possible doing it via a Combinator, yet it´s always preferrable to have both options because of the limitations of CV-ins of the Combinator for one, then being able to directly connect to a parameter via CV-ins of a device is less complex where a simple connection is needed. It´s aswell visually connecting while the instance of a Combinator in between makes it more abstract.
ekss wrote:
17 Jun 2022
moofi wrote:
16 Jun 2022
I hear what you are saying then I love stepped modulation where wanted as long as it doesn´t produce clicks.
The frequency parameters do produce clicks, the gains are doing well.

Edit: Btw why trouble? I at least guess it should be fairly easy doing so, especially having done it many times. Just a guess though.

Edit2: I love stepped modulation especially at audiorates.

Like you said, there are small clicks when mid frequencies are changed, as the IRs are activated/deactivated, I minimized it by having it bypass for a few milliseconds during the change but it will always be a gap while switching. So modulating it would not be a pleasant experience.
The in/out gain could be smoothly modulated by cv but I didn’t think it was essential, and it could easily be modulated by something before or after, using for example the mix channel level cv.

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Post 05 Aug 2022

I'll be picking this up when some spare cash comes through
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