Disinterest rather than ignorancePhillipOrdonez wrote: ↑10 Sep 2021Obviously you don't have any use for such tools cause for you all samplers are the same. That doesn't mean there's no gaps, just cause there's several samplers and to you they are all the same. Your opinion comes from a place of ignorance.
Just like you can be as over opinionated as you like, however in this case your opinion of me is incorrect
Because your threads have started unravel?PhillipOrdonez wrote: ↑10 Sep 2021I'm overly ignorant about knitting. Because I'm totally disinterested in it. If I was interested in it, I would learn about it and not be ignorant about it
Do you understand now why my opinion of you is totally correct?
The only thing I dismissed was music radars opinion that Reason had a device gapPhillipOrdonez wrote: ↑10 Sep 2021Imagine dismissing stuff that benefits others just cause it doesn't benefit you!
yes.
I did not understand what you wanted to put in that it is not in the same league. because Sample One XT is infinitely superior to Mimic (because it is) or inferior.
Sample One XT is hugely capable. You can drag a bunch of multisamples onto it and if it can find a note name in each filename it will automatically map them sensibly across the keyboard. That was a proper wow moment for me. You can drag a loop onto it and it will slice it automatically and usually as well as Recycle does. You can slice by beat, you can stretch and, get this, it will load Rex files. Imagine that! It's embarrassing that the company that invented the Rex format can't use it in their shiny new sampler. Rex was made for samplers. Mimic is a pale imitation of Ableton's simpler but with less flexibility and more brown. Maybe one day brown will be the new black but today is not that day.QVprod wrote: ↑10 Sep 2021I think Mimic is very underrated here. Perhaps Ableton's simpler is a match ( haven't used it) but Sample One in S1 is not in the same league. Nor are probably most stock samplers. so in that regard, while I agree that Mimic has more general appeal to standalone users because there was no stock equivalent, in both cases (standalone and RPP) it's appealing if a user hasn't already bought a capable 3rd party sampler.
Perhaps one wouldn't upgrade specifically for a sampler, but as part of the overall package it's a really great add that's far more than just basic as some seem to characterize it.
In that way I agree with the tagline that as a package it's the best Reason' looked in years. Pun intended as well; whether or not they realized the pun themselves. (HD graphics and all)
Edit: I did forget S1 updated some functions with the XT version, but I still think Mimmic is quicker and simpler to work with for slicing.
I'll give Sample One the edge as far as multi-samples go, but that's kind of it. The workflow for slicing in Sample One is tedious unless you have a short sample. There's no sensitivity setting. In Mimmic, adjust sensitivity and add/subtract additional markers if needed without having to delete the way too many slices Sample One creates.DaveyG wrote: ↑10 Sep 2021Sample One XT is hugely capable. You can drag a bunch of multisamples onto it and if it can find a note name in each filename it will automatically map them sensibly across the keyboard. That was a proper wow moment for me. You can drag a loop onto it and it will slice it automatically and usually as well as Recycle does. You can slice by beat, you can stretch and, get this, it will load Rex files. Imagine that! It's embarrassing that the company that invented the Rex format can't use it in their shiny new sampler. Rex was made for samplers. Mimic is a pale imitation of Ableton's simpler but with less flexibility and more brown. Maybe one day brown will be the new black but today is not that day.QVprod wrote: ↑10 Sep 2021I think Mimic is very underrated here. Perhaps Ableton's simpler is a match ( haven't used it) but Sample One in S1 is not in the same league. Nor are probably most stock samplers. so in that regard, while I agree that Mimic has more general appeal to standalone users because there was no stock equivalent, in both cases (standalone and RPP) it's appealing if a user hasn't already bought a capable 3rd party sampler.
Perhaps one wouldn't upgrade specifically for a sampler, but as part of the overall package it's a really great add that's far more than just basic as some seem to characterize it.
In that way I agree with the tagline that as a package it's the best Reason' looked in years. Pun intended as well; whether or not they realized the pun themselves. (HD graphics and all)
Edit: I did forget S1 updated some functions with the XT version, but I still think Mimic is quicker and simpler to work with for slicing.
Fact is, Mimic is just OK and nothing more. They hadn't even though about note detection until we mentioned it on here and I guarantee none of the design team have spent more than a few minutes with an MPC or with Serato Sample. A decade ago Mimic would have been bang on the money but now it just has a bit of short-lived novelty value. Maybe their next sampler will be a bit more current. Set your controls for 2030...
Agreed, but it sucks that we have to think in those terms. We've been conditioned to accept the fact that stock devices are generally not going to be as robust as the devices they lock behind the RE paywall, and that's a shame.
I don't think anyone's arguing that it's the king of all stock samplers. Just that it's a good sampler. And I've only mentioned the slicing portion.zoidkirb wrote: ↑10 Sep 2021Mimic is great, but far from the undisputed best stock sampler.
It can slice, but can't slice to midi like ableton and cubase can.
You can't drag and drop audio from the timeline into it, unlike the others.
Cubase will even allow you to drop a midi clip into it's sampler and it automatically converts it to an audio sample. Now that's a nice workflow.
I think of this differently. The stock version of anything in any DAW is rarely more robust than what's offered for sale as a separate plugin. At current, there is no competitor to Mimic in the RE shop, and I'd be surprised if they were to release a sampler RE.Carpainter wrote: ↑10 Sep 2021Agreed, but it sucks that we have to think in those terms. We've been conditioned to accept the fact that stock devices are generally not going to be as robust as the devices they lock behind the RE paywall, and that's a shame.
Can simpler do the same things mimic can? NoPhillipOrdonez wrote: ↑10 Sep 2021I think it stands on its own. It does many things many do better, but it does things I'm not sure others do our do as well as it does, mainly the sound mangling capabilities beyond recognition of any sample, and I don't mean simple slicing which is fine, it's cool, but you got Rex for that and other samplers, and it does that and other utilitarian stuff enough, but hat's not the reason it is a great instrument. The stretch algorithms and how very quickly you can make something new out of any kind of sample. You can't do this on any of the other samplers on Reason, unless you bring grain on but then it also does a different job that sounds different and there and is completely different workflow, grain is all about granular while mimic does some granular and then the other modes with a different kind of control over the time and the tuning, I think it really sets it apart from all the other samplers in Reason.
Nobody has answered the question, can simpler do the same things mimic can? All of them? Absolutely all of them?
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