DAW that resamples audio in sequencer?
Does anyone know of a DAW that can resample in the actual sequencer, as opposed to time stretch and pitch shift?
I do a lot of this sort of thing working with a Grain patch so I can see the sample and I can pitch it down or up in Tape mode, so it's proper resampling. Then when I want to arrange it further I bounce the audio into the timeline. But I wonder if there's a DAW that can do this in place in the sequencer/timeline so that you can just import the audio and as you pitch it up or down an octave or two or three it stretches that audio clip accordingly (tape style) without your standard half baked pitch/stretch algorithm artifacts.
Thanks in advance
I do a lot of this sort of thing working with a Grain patch so I can see the sample and I can pitch it down or up in Tape mode, so it's proper resampling. Then when I want to arrange it further I bounce the audio into the timeline. But I wonder if there's a DAW that can do this in place in the sequencer/timeline so that you can just import the audio and as you pitch it up or down an octave or two or three it stretches that audio clip accordingly (tape style) without your standard half baked pitch/stretch algorithm artifacts.
Thanks in advance
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Ableton has a "Re-Pitch" mode for audio which does just that!plaamook wrote: ↑29 Jul 2021Does anyone know of a DAW that can resample in the actual sequencer, as opposed to time stretch and pitch shift?
I do a lot of this sort of thing working with a Grain patch so I can see the sample and I can pitch it down or up in Tape mode, so it's proper resampling. Then when I want to arrange it further I bounce the audio into the timeline. But I wonder if there's a DAW that can do this in place in the sequencer/timeline so that you can just import the audio and as you pitch it up or down an octave or two or three it stretches that audio clip accordingly (tape style) without your standard half baked pitch/stretch algorithm artifacts.
Thanks in advance
It also has several other useful warping styles that I hope RS decides to implement in the future.
Here's an article about audio stretching in Ableton
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Turn warp off in live before adjusting pitch should also change the length of the clip.
Thanks Selig but it only works at one octave, which is fine but I need to go deeper.
I can't (one can't...) pitch down more than 12.? semi's...even though the dial goes to 127. Funny little reason quirk.
So I bounnce in place and repeat. By 2 octaves down the artefacts are very noticable compared to Grain in tape mode or NNXT or equiv.
By 3 oct it's a mess.
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Thanks.Ottostrom wrote: ↑29 Jul 2021Ableton has a "Re-Pitch" mode for audio which does just that!plaamook wrote: ↑29 Jul 2021Does anyone know of a DAW that can resample in the actual sequencer, as opposed to time stretch and pitch shift?
I do a lot of this sort of thing working with a Grain patch so I can see the sample and I can pitch it down or up in Tape mode, so it's proper resampling. Then when I want to arrange it further I bounce the audio into the timeline. But I wonder if there's a DAW that can do this in place in the sequencer/timeline so that you can just import the audio and as you pitch it up or down an octave or two or three it stretches that audio clip accordingly (tape style) without your standard half baked pitch/stretch algorithm artifacts.
Thanks in advance
It also has several other useful warping styles that I hope RS decides to implement in the future.
Here's an article about audio stretching in Ableton
Yeah that should work but that article says "Re-pitch Mode takes the replay speed information from the master tempo" whic is confusing because it suggests that you're stuck with whatever the master tempo is set at rather than being able to just grap a clip and drag it out to 2-3 octaves down.
I've been meaning to demo Live for ages. Maybe I just need to do that.
Cheers
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Yeah I was a bit confused about that line as well but I jumped into my trial Ableton and tested the feature out and it appears to mean that it takes the master tempo as the starting point for normal playback of the audio and then I can just shift+drag it to whatever length I want and it gets pitched up or down accordinglyplaamook wrote: ↑29 Jul 2021Thanks.
Yeah that should work but that article says "Re-pitch Mode takes the replay speed information from the master tempo" whic is confusing because it suggests that you're stuck with whatever the master tempo is set at rather than being able to just grap a clip and drag it out to 2-3 octaves down.
I've been meaning to demo Live for ages. Maybe I just need to do that.
Cheers
(I really hope the new Mimic Sampler will let you do this faster inside Reason)
That’s what I hoped to find.Ottostrom wrote: ↑29 Jul 2021Yeah I was a bit confused about that line as well but I jumped into my trial Ableton and tested the feature out and it appears to mean that it takes the master tempo as the starting point for normal playback of the audio and then I can just shift+drag it to whatever length I want and it gets pitched up or down accordinglyplaamook wrote: ↑29 Jul 2021Thanks.
Yeah that should work but that article says "Re-pitch Mode takes the replay speed information from the master tempo" whic is confusing because it suggests that you're stuck with whatever the master tempo is set at rather than being able to just grap a clip and drag it out to 2-3 octaves down.
I've been meaning to demo Live for ages. Maybe I just need to do that.
Cheers
(I really hope the new Mimic Sampler will let you do this faster inside Reason)
And it’s artefact free? Does it give you a reading of how many semitones it’s pitched?
Sorry to bother you about these details but I’ve got probs w large downloads at the mo.
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It seems very artefact-free!
Doesn't show you any pitch info about the audio unfortunately.
Ok thanks. I’ll have a look at it when I can.
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Up to two octaves are possible at a time with a little creativity….transpose 1 oct in the main timeline and another octave in the comp editor “take” lane!plaamook wrote: ↑29 Jul 2021Thanks Selig but it only works at one octave, which is fine but I need to go deeper.
I can't (one can't...) pitch down more than 12.? semi's...even though the dial goes to 127. Funny little reason quirk.
So I bounnce in place and repeat. By 2 octaves down the artefacts are very noticable compared to Grain in tape mode or NNXT or equiv.
By 3 oct it's a mess.
The Studer machines I worked on through the 80/90s only had two speeds - three octaves on other machines always sounded like crap to me anyway, probably because of there being no high end lest plus the low frequencies pushed into subsonic ranges. Can’t imagine Reason sounding worse!!!
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I wonder why nobody implements simple "tape" style stretch in addition to the pitch-preserving methods. Unlike them, that simple method would not need any limits on the stretch ratio, like 2 or 4 times. It could be set on a clip basis and applied whenever a clip is time-stretched or it could follow the tempo automation.
I'm sure you are aware of this, but you can also use NN19 to resample the audio as it's a classic sampler without any independent pitch-/tempo-shifting capabilities. Depending on the desired result using it might also be an alternative.
Yeah that’s the long way. Bounce it out of a sampler.
But as the bear says above, why not implement it as a stretch setting in the sequencer as it appears Live has done.
Seems like the most obvious thing now that I’m thinking if it.
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FL Studio has the most options when it comes to pitch so many things to choose from.
"e3 Generic - A 'Default' mode is designed to work with the widest range of input signals. As usual, experiment with other methods if you hear unwanted artifacts.Goriila Texas wrote: ↑02 Aug 2021FL Studio has the most options when it comes to pitch so many things to choose from.
e3 Mono - Specialized for monophonic input signals such as vocals or solo instruments. Uses automatic formant preservation techniques.
e2 Generic (Pro default & Pro transient) - Older version of e3 Generic.
e2 Transient (Transient & Tonal) - Transient and formant preserving stretch method.
e2 Mono (Monophonic) - Older version of e3 Mono.
e2 Speech (Speech) - Optimized for spoken words. For singing, use the 'e3 or e2 Mono' mode)."
This is what I could find regarding FL studios audio pitch methods and if this is it then Ableton definitely has a better variety.
Pro Tools has had tape mode stretching forever FWIW, which I got quite used to using - and why I was quick to find a way to do the same thing in Reason, even if it takes two clicks instead of one (like so many things in Reason…).orthodox wrote: ↑30 Jul 2021I wonder why nobody implements simple "tape" style stretch in addition to the pitch-preserving methods. Unlike them, that simple method would not need any limits on the stretch ratio, like 2 or 4 times. It could be set on a clip basis and applied whenever a clip is time-stretched or it could follow the tempo automation.
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Unfortunately, that two-click method only works for constant pitch shifts, not what I would get with tempo automation controlled tape slowdown. And I suspect the result of pitch and tempo change is not the same as that of plain resampling, even for "Allround" stretch type.selig wrote: ↑03 Aug 2021Pro Tools has had tape mode stretching forever FWIW, which I got quite used to using - and why I was quick to find a way to do the same thing in Reason, even if it takes two clicks instead of one (like so many things in Reason…).orthodox wrote: ↑30 Jul 2021I wonder why nobody implements simple "tape" style stretch in addition to the pitch-preserving methods. Unlike them, that simple method would not need any limits on the stretch ratio, like 2 or 4 times. It could be set on a clip basis and applied whenever a clip is time-stretched or it could follow the tempo automation.
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What does Live have??
Ottostrom wrote: ↑03 Aug 2021"e3 Generic - A 'Default' mode is designed to work with the widest range of input signals. As usual, experiment with other methods if you hear unwanted artifacts.Goriila Texas wrote: ↑02 Aug 2021FL Studio has the most options when it comes to pitch so many things to choose from.
e3 Mono - Specialized for monophonic input signals such as vocals or solo instruments. Uses automatic formant preservation techniques.
e2 Generic (Pro default & Pro transient) - Older version of e3 Generic.
e2 Transient (Transient & Tonal) - Transient and formant preserving stretch method.
e2 Mono (Monophonic) - Older version of e3 Mono.
e2 Speech (Speech) - Optimized for spoken words. For singing, use the 'e3 or e2 Mono' mode)."
This is what I could find regarding FL studios audio pitch methods and if this is it then Ableton definitely has a better variety.
Check the article I linked in the first post of this thread.
DIdn't think we were talking slowdowns. FWIW, I love the sound of half speed in Reason using the approach I mentioned (I started on tape in the 1970s, so I'm not unfamiliar with the sound of off speed playback). Plus it works today with no extra plugins required!orthodox wrote: ↑03 Aug 2021Unfortunately, that two-click method only works for constant pitch shifts, not what I would get with tempo automation controlled tape slowdown. And I suspect the result of pitch and tempo change is not the same as that of plain resampling, even for "Allround" stretch type.
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For the most general usage in the sequencer the pitch preserving stretch and time preserving pitch, are the most usable for most day to day tasks. For more creative tasks, you either do Selig's aproach or use some device.orthodox wrote: ↑30 Jul 2021I wonder why nobody implements simple "tape" style stretch in addition to the pitch-preserving methods. Unlike them, that simple method would not need any limits on the stretch ratio, like 2 or 4 times. It could be set on a clip basis and applied whenever a clip is time-stretched or it could follow the tempo automation.
That being said, you can stop wondering. Mimic just got out on R12.1 today and Tape style stretch is one of the modes it has. You just have to go through the device though, but it seems to be a heck of a sampling machine.
Yay, we can talk about it finally - and yes, it does sound pretty darn good in TAPE mode (already have one song from a simple sample dropped into Mimic). Been waiting for the release to mention this in this thread…mcatalao wrote: ↑10 Aug 2021For the most general usage in the sequencer the pitch preserving stretch and time preserving pitch, are the most usable for most day to day tasks. For more creative tasks, you either do Selig's aproach or use some device.orthodox wrote: ↑30 Jul 2021I wonder why nobody implements simple "tape" style stretch in addition to the pitch-preserving methods. Unlike them, that simple method would not need any limits on the stretch ratio, like 2 or 4 times. It could be set on a clip basis and applied whenever a clip is time-stretched or it could follow the tempo automation.
That being said, you can stop wondering. Mimic just got out on R12.1 today and Tape style stretch is one of the modes it has. You just have to go through the device though, but it seems to be a heck of a sampling machine.
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