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Post 22 Jun 2021

EnochLight wrote:
22 Jun 2021
Billy+ wrote:
22 Jun 2021
Nick from SKP has been playing with the new combinator so there's definitely more than one beta channel.
I can guarantee you that Combinator 2 is already in the hands of select sound designers, just as the graphics alpha was in the hands of testers before it even made it to the public testing channel. ;) :thumbup:
You don't have to give me a guarantee and if I remember correctly Ryan was using a hires version of Reason when he showed us Algorithm.
VST 2.4 MIDI It's definitely on the list of todos
Using Reason since version 1 is R11 going to be my final version :shock:

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Post 22 Jun 2021

Billy+ wrote:
22 Jun 2021
You don't have to give me a guarantee
Well you have it. No gifts back! :lol:
Billy+ wrote:
22 Jun 2021
and if I remember correctly Ryan was using a hires version of Reason when he showed us Algorithm.
I don't recall seeing a high res version of Reason during Ryan's Algorithm livestream. Algorithm looks as blurry as any other RE when I look at it (also, I seriously doubt the Reason alpha was in any condition to reliably be featured during that livestream 3 months ago, just say'n)! :lol:
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Post 22 Jun 2021

EnochLight wrote:
22 Jun 2021
Billy+ wrote:
22 Jun 2021
You don't have to give me a guarantee
Well you have it. No gifts back! :lol:
Billy+ wrote:
22 Jun 2021
and if I remember correctly Ryan was using a hires version of Reason when he showed us Algorithm.
I don't recall seeing a high res version of Reason during Ryan's Algorithm livestream. Algorithm looks as blurry as any other RE when I look at it (also, I seriously doubt the Reason alpha was in any condition to reliably be featured during that livestream 3 months ago, just say'n)! :lol:
Well I've definitely heard them talking about an internal hi res development version, only I'm not going to hunt down the exact video. ;) and I wouldn't be surprised to find out that they have an internal version with vst midi and vst3 support working :lol:
VST 2.4 MIDI It's definitely on the list of todos
Using Reason since version 1 is R11 going to be my final version :shock:

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Post 22 Jun 2021

:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post 23 Jun 2021

EnochLight wrote:
22 Jun 2021
:lol: :lol: :lol:
antic604 wrote:
25 Feb 2021
Looks awesome, but one question with regards to Ryan's video - the GUI seems really unresponsive (patching is wonky) and weird (he had to drag the mouse through whole screen to get the sliders move 2 centimeters). Hopefully he's demoing it in some internal high-DPI dev tool, rather than in actual Reason? Because it looked much sharper than it will in Reason (I'm at work, so can't play with it right now).

MattiasHG wrote:
25 Feb 2021

He was indeed working in an internal hi-res dev environment. It felt more important to get nice, crisp graphics so we wouldn't have to update it later. It's WAY smoother in reality.



;) told you so lol
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Post 23 Jun 2021

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Bravo Billy+, bravo!
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Post 23 Jun 2021

So many :lol: :lol: and :thumbup: in the thread. Optimism and happiness. What a wonderful Reason 12 world.
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Post 24 Jun 2021

bxbrkrz wrote:
23 Jun 2021
So many :lol: :lol: and :thumbup: in the thread. Optimism and happiness. What a wonderful Reason 12 world.
Lets spoil it for you now that that the reason + get 12 rolled out slowly they are getting nothing in a slow pace while we others waiting to get nothing later in September

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Post 24 Jun 2021

gullum wrote:
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bxbrkrz wrote:
23 Jun 2021
So many :lol: :lol: and :thumbup: in the thread. Optimism and happiness. What a wonderful Reason 12 world.
Lets spoil it for you now that that the reason + get 12 rolled out slowly they are getting nothing in a slow pace while we others waiting to get nothing later in September
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Post 29 Jun 2021

I'm one of those who prefer to buy instead of subscribe, takes some pressure off - pressure is the last thing I need. I also think it feels fantastic to actually own it. With subscription you just rent it, it's on loan. People have different opinions about this, understandably. Cold logic might dictate sub cost less over time, but that really depends on how much you actually use it. If it's bought you can use it 5 minutes a month, it won't matter. If you sub, using it 5 minutes a month won't feel so good :p

HOWEVER, if you want every main version, I guess sub could easily be cheaper, especially if you make sure to unsub in inactive periods.

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Post 29 Jun 2021

Oberlai wrote:
29 Jun 2021
I'm one of those who prefer to buy instead of subscribe, takes some pressure off - pressure is the last thing I need. I also think it feels fantastic to actually own it. With subscription you just rent it, it's on loan. People have different opinions about this, understandably. Cold logic might dictate sub cost less over time, but that really depends on how much you actually use it. If it's bought you can use it 5 minutes a month, it won't matter. If you sub, using it 5 minutes a month won't feel so good :p

HOWEVER, if you want every main version, I guess sub could easily be cheaper, especially if you make sure to unsub in inactive periods.
GREAT point. Are these monthly software subscriptions? Why not weekly or hourly pro-rated? If there was an easy infrastructure to temporarily cancel your subscription and the time that you are subscribed was pro-rated, I would consider renting. But most people are inspired at different times of the day, the week, the month, the year and they don't always coincide with the subscription cycles offered by most companies. Maybe crypto, smart contracts and the blockchain will help in the future.
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Post 29 Jun 2021

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Maybe crypto, smart contracts and the blockchain will help in the future.
Are you referring to crypto currency?
Or some kind of block chain based time sheet?
VST 2.4 MIDI It's definitely on the list of todos
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Post 29 Jun 2021

Billy+ wrote:
29 Jun 2021
npinero1 wrote:
29 Jun 2021
Maybe crypto, smart contracts and the blockchain will help in the future.
Are you referring to crypto currency?
Or some kind of block chain based time sheet?
I wish I can speak more intelligently about this but I would imagine smart contracts that are time sensitive might be a way to pay for software, only when you use it. Unfortunately, the current monthly system for most subscription based software doesn't allow for down time when you aren't using the software to create music in any given month. Furthermore inspiration and creativity runs on its own schedule for most people. But If something like this were implemented, a user would only need to keep an eye on what the rate per minute or per hour, week, month etc
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Post 29 Jun 2021

npinero1 wrote:
29 Jun 2021
Billy+ wrote:
29 Jun 2021


Are you referring to crypto currency?
Or some kind of block chain based time sheet?
I wish I can speak more intelligently about this but I would imagine smart contracts that are time sensitive might be a way to pay for software, only when you use it. Unfortunately, the current monthly system for most subscription based software doesn't allow for down time when you aren't using the software to create music in any given month. Furthermore inspiration and creativity runs on its own schedule for most people. But If something like this were implemented, a user would only need to keep an eye on what the rate per minute or per hour, week, month etc
That sounds awful. Right in the middle of your creative flow a message pops up and demands you put another 50p in the meter to continue. BOOM! Muse gone. :thumbs_down:

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Post 29 Jun 2021

DaveyG wrote:
29 Jun 2021
npinero1 wrote:
29 Jun 2021


I wish I can speak more intelligently about this but I would imagine smart contracts that are time sensitive might be a way to pay for software, only when you use it. Unfortunately, the current monthly system for most subscription based software doesn't allow for down time when you aren't using the software to create music in any given month. Furthermore inspiration and creativity runs on its own schedule for most people. But If something like this were implemented, a user would only need to keep an eye on what the rate per minute or per hour, week, month etc
That sounds awful. Right in the middle of your creative flow a message pops up and demands you put another 50p in the meter to continue. BOOM! Muse gone. :thumbs_down:
Sounds fine, it would probably only come up if there's something wrong with your card. So, once every few years if ever?


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Post 30 Jun 2021

DaveyG wrote:
29 Jun 2021
npinero1 wrote:
29 Jun 2021


I wish I can speak more intelligently about this but I would imagine smart contracts that are time sensitive might be a way to pay for software, only when you use it. Unfortunately, the current monthly system for most subscription based software doesn't allow for down time when you aren't using the software to create music in any given month. Furthermore inspiration and creativity runs on its own schedule for most people. But If something like this were implemented, a user would only need to keep an eye on what the rate per minute or per hour, week, month etc
That sounds awful. Right in the middle of your creative flow a message pops up and demands you put another 50p in the meter to continue. BOOM! Muse gone. :thumbs_down:
I agree, that is a distraction that would have me thinking of my bills and if I should actually spend money. And just to be clear, I prefer the perpetual version of Reason MUCH more than any subscription. I think it’s so much better to make the commitment to the software and have it there ready to capture the musical narrative in my head.
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Post 30 Jun 2021

For it to be financially viable, the hourly rate would have to be pretty high.

Suppose the typical user spent $5/month on average over the years, and it was priced so that 2 hours of daily use would add up to $5/month. In that case, you'd it would cost $0.08 per hour.

But ... we're still talking about trying to reach people who aren't willing to spend $5/month.

Hourly pricing just doesn't make market sense unless it's for one-off use. And to make this viable, it would have to be targeting one-off uses of Reason at a premium rate (maybe around $0.50-$1/hr).

It's just not a useful market to serve or usage pattern to cater for at these price points.

Besides, you'll soon have people asking for it to be priced by the minute, and then the second 😅
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Post 30 Jun 2021

I'm new to reason. It seems pretty neat. Community seems a little toxic toward the developers.

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Post 01 Jul 2021

BrainDeadApe69 wrote:
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I'm new to reason. It seems pretty neat. Community seems a little toxic toward the developers.
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Post 01 Jul 2021

BrainDeadApe69 wrote:
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I'm new to reason. It seems pretty neat. Community seems a little toxic toward the developers.
Nah, we love em really. It's more like a bit family event full of batching (complaining) and moaning rather than real actual toxicity.
Everything will be fine once they sort out the sequencer, you'll see.
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Post 01 Jul 2021

BrainDeadApe69 wrote:
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I'm new to reason. It seems pretty neat. Community seems a little toxic toward the developers.
I agree. And don't buy the whole "is out of a place of love".


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Post 01 Jul 2021

BrainDeadApe69 wrote:
30 Jun 2021
I'm new to reason. It seems pretty neat. Community seems a little toxic toward the developers.
Welcome,


It's not so much toxic and more like when your favourite long lost uncle turns up with a new toy that can't be found anywhere on the planet but the batteries are impossible to buy..

You love the toy but really wished he had thought about the batteries as well :lol:
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Post 01 Jul 2021

of course, I can’t speak for anyone other than myself, but I suspect the vast majority of criticisms here DO come from a genuine desire to see Reason become better. there are some perhaps obvious exceptions who don’t even try to hide their dislike for the software (i.e. trolls), and others who are just incapable of shutting up about certain things they feel are being overlooked (I count myself a member of this group).
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Post 01 Jul 2021

Oberlai wrote:
29 Jun 2021
I'm one of those who prefer to buy instead of subscribe, takes some pressure off - pressure is the last thing I need. I also think it feels fantastic to actually own it. With subscription you just rent it, it's on loan. People have different opinions about this, understandably. Cold logic might dictate sub cost less over time, but that really depends on how much you actually use it. If it's bought you can use it 5 minutes a month, it won't matter. If you sub, using it 5 minutes a month won't feel so good :p

HOWEVER, if you want every main version, I guess sub could easily be cheaper, especially if you make sure to unsub in inactive periods.
I haven't felt like I've owned Reason since implemented Codemeter. Reason+ just makes it official.

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