That mini is only only 8gb as well, so it seems, if you're using Logic at least, the M1 is a big leap forward.
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here is the Air M1 running about 94 tracks compare to the intel Air running only 8 tracks
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Yeah, it looks great. Now the big question is how long it takes devs to start supporting M1. I'd like to see how Live and Reason work under Rosetta (because I'm not counting on either of them to support M1 for a year or so). I've heard that Native Access isn't working so that means no NI yet. No word on Arturia stuff.
Reason supports it now https://help.reasonstudios.com/hc/en-us ... -statementflexluthor wrote: ↑20 Nov 2020Yeah, it looks great. Now the big question is how long it takes devs to start supporting M1. I'd like to see how Live and Reason work under Rosetta (because I'm not counting on either of them to support M1 for a year or so). I've heard that Native Access isn't working so that means no NI yet. No word on Arturia stuff.
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Big Sur
We are happy to report that the following Reason Studios products are compatible with Apple's macOS Big Sur.
The following products are compatible with macOS Big Sur:
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QVprod wrote: ↑20 Nov 2020Reason supports it now https://help.reasonstudios.com/hc/en-us ... -statementflexluthor wrote: ↑20 Nov 2020Yeah, it looks great. Now the big question is how long it takes devs to start supporting M1. I'd like to see how Live and Reason work under Rosetta (because I'm not counting on either of them to support M1 for a year or so). I've heard that Native Access isn't working so that means no NI yet. No word on Arturia stuff.
Wrong. macOS BigSur is supported, but the M1 chips are NOT: https://help.reasonstudios.com/hc/en-us ... 0017437959QVprod wrote: ↑20 Nov 2020Reason supports it now https://help.reasonstudios.com/hc/en-us ... -statement
Sort of, yeah. It’ll support all the basics and of course Apple’s own software, but the cheap price tags they’re putting out there are mostly to start getting people onto the M1 based platform. It’ll be the people who just do web surfing, email, and maybe some spreadsheets at first. Power users... well, they don’t have enough M1 based hardware that would perform well for us anyway.
Ah good catch! I missed that spot. Apologies!DJMaytag wrote: ↑20 Nov 2020Wrong. macOS BigSur is supported, but the M1 chips are NOT: https://help.reasonstudios.com/hc/en-us ... 0017437959QVprod wrote: ↑20 Nov 2020Reason supports it now https://help.reasonstudios.com/hc/en-us ... -statement
At the moment sort of. Some programs will work. They'll all catch up eventually though. But honestly that's just about every operating system with Apple anyway so to us users it's almost about the same. Buying a new mac on release is less than ideal for that reason. We always have to wait for compatibility. In a few months most things will be compatible.
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This isn't really correct. The M1 will run almost anything Intel Macs can today (the only exceptions are kernel extensions) via Rosetta 2. The question has been more whether it will run existing software well, which so far appears to be a resounding yes.DJMaytag wrote: ↑20 Nov 2020Sort of, yeah. It’ll support all the basics and of course Apple’s own software, but the cheap price tags they’re putting out there are mostly to start getting people onto the M1 based platform. It’ll be the people who just do web surfing, email, and maybe some spreadsheets at first. Power users... well, they don’t have enough M1 based hardware that would perform well for us anyway.
Initial reports running Reason on the M1 using Rosetta are very positive: viewtopic.php?p=526172#p526172
The takeaway is that it appears the combination of the M1's power and Rosetta 2's optimization will get you performance comparable to a recent MacBook Pro on software that was not built for Apple Silicon, which is honestly kind of amazing.Genuinely, I am amazed at how Reason ran, through a translation layer to the M1 chip and absolutely hammered an Intel MacBook Pro and another Intel MacBook Air that I have here.
It looks like they made sure there's enough performance headroom to compensate for most penalties incurred by x86>ARM64 translation. In many cases Rosetta 2 translation still manages to outperform native on Intel. Pretty impressive. And these are just the entry level models. It will be even more interesting to see what happens when they start scaling these chips up to the more "pro" machines without the 10-15 watt power constraints.
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Mad that these tests are coming from the Air, where passive cooling can only take you so far - especially when the heat sink is the poorly ventilated, horizontal half of the laptop.
It sounds like these are going to be a major problem for Intel once they've bedded in and reached the pro machines.
Will Intel/AMD bring a competitive system-on-chip device to market?
Interesting tho, cos the Intel and AMD CPUs were really getting to a ceiling. And now this. Exciting times for computers ahead!
It sounds like these are going to be a major problem for Intel once they've bedded in and reached the pro machines.
Will Intel/AMD bring a competitive system-on-chip device to market?
Interesting tho, cos the Intel and AMD CPUs were really getting to a ceiling. And now this. Exciting times for computers ahead!
A test using the 16gb Macbook model - https://www.pro-tools-expert.com/produc ... -logic-pro
Mac Pro 5.1 3.46 GHz 12 core 32GB - 315 Space Designers
MacBook Pro 2.4GHz 8 Core i9 32GB - 210 Space Designers
iMac 5K Retina 27" Late 2017, 4GHz Quad Core i7 32GB - 210 Space Designers
MacBook Pro 13" M1 2020 16GB - 435 Space Designers
As you can see a new MacBook Pro M1 can run over twice as many Space Designers as a fully loaded Intel MacBook Pro i9.
1/2 the Price of my old 15" MBPs! More power than an i9 Awesome!
Hopefully, The Audio Tools apps work.. but, no rush
Should the Thor APP work...
I just want to test it.
(For the record, my ... "/" KEY is crapped out.... so....
The MBP M1 13" Landed . It gets fired up today.
Hopefully, The Audio Tools apps work.. but, no rush
Should the Thor APP work...
I just want to test it.
(For the record, my ... "/" KEY is crapped out.... so....
Another nail in Intel's coffin. Thank you Apple
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Well, apparently most test show that the difference in performance between M1 Air vs. 13'' MBP is negligible and temperatures aren't an issue - Air gets perhaps 10 deg (Celsius) higher, but still 20-30deg lower than, aggressively cooled equivalent Intel! The popular verdict is to go with M1 Air and save $300 in the process, unless someone is really keen on a brighter screen, touchbar, a bit bigger touchpad and likely better speakers (which can be valid reasons, of course).
Although if I were even considering a MBP, I'd wait for the M1X 16'' next year with - rumoured - 12 cores + probably a higher clock speeds. Maybe Reason will be native by then, too
Having used 12.3'' Surface Pro for couple of years I have to say it's not a problem for me, provided the GUI is sharp and flexible to arrange how I want it or at least so that it doesn't waste space. And it was a matter of convenience and necessity for me, as I don't have a dedicated studio - just a laptop, pair of headphones and small controller.
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