Tape Wobble
So I'm looking at Softube's Tape vst as I'm after trying to get some tape style pitch drift only I would much rather have a stock solution and the only device that comes to mind is Echo and it's Wobble knob.
My questions are
1) How well does this compare.
2) Should I just buy yet another vst.
3) Do you have a better option.
Remember I'm only after the pitch effect not the noise or saturation.
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My questions are
1) How well does this compare.
2) Should I just buy yet another vst.
3) Do you have a better option.
Remember I'm only after the pitch effect not the noise or saturation.
Thanks Selig, your a star.
Check out this post viewtopic.php?p=522090#p522090 for two cmb patches from Selig Audio...
Last edited by Billy+ on 16 Oct 2020, edited 2 times in total.
Google free tape VST and don’t give Softube a penny.Billy wrote: ↑13 Oct 2020So I'm looking at Softube's Tape vst as I'm after trying to get some tape style pitch drift only I would much rather have a stock solution and the only device that comes to mind is Echo and it's Wobble knob.
My questions are
1) How well does this compare.
2) Should I just buy yet another vst.
3) Do you have a better option.
Remember I'm only after the pitch effect not the noise or saturation.
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https://www.caelumaudio.com/CaelumAudio ... peCassette
Here's a simple one with wow and flutter
Edit: Oops...sorry, just checked and it's VST3. There are literally loads out there though. Promise you
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Very interesting, But it's AU & VST3 only so not going to work in Reason 11.MrFigg wrote: ↑13 Oct 2020
https://www.caelumaudio.com/CaelumAudio ... peCassette
Here's a simple one with wow and flutter
The v2 version has auto gain which is a very handy feature
Yeah...see above. I didn't realise until I downloaded it myself to check. But do what Loque says. S'what I usually doBilly wrote: ↑13 Oct 2020Very interesting, But it's AU & VST3 only so not going to work in Reason 11.MrFigg wrote: ↑13 Oct 2020
https://www.caelumaudio.com/CaelumAudio ... peCassette
Here's a simple one with wow and flutter
The v2 version has auto gain which is a very handy feature
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I found an open source physical modelled tape machine,
https://github.com/jatinchowdhury18/AnalogTapeModel
based on the Sony TC-260.
https://github.com/jatinchowdhury18/AnalogTapeModel
based on the Sony TC-260.
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My preferred method is to put two CF-101 Chorus/Flangers in a combinator. Route them both in mono, one to the left channel and one to the right. Click the button that puts them in Send mode, so that only the modulated signal comes through and not the dry signal. Then you can either use their simple internal LFO or route an external one from Pulsar or elsewhere. Rather than giving you a chorus effect, this will give you a very short delay that you can modulate, and that modulation creates a subtle pitch drift.
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Thanks for the suggestion, sounds like it could be worth a try.esselfortium wrote: ↑13 Oct 2020My preferred method is to put two CF-101 Chorus/Flangers in a combinator. Route them both in mono, one to the left channel and one to the right. Click the button that puts them in Send mode, so that only the modulated signal comes through and not the dry signal. Then you can either use their simple internal LFO or route an external one from Pulsar or elsewhere. Rather than giving you a chorus effect, this will give you a very short delay that you can modulate, and that modulation creates a subtle pitch drift.
you shouldn’t need to modulate the knob, just set it where you like.
one of my favorite uses for The Echo.
there are plenty of other solutions of course. I don’t have any experience with the Softube tape emulation, but Wavesfactory’s Cassette will do it (you can turn off all the tape emulation/saturation stuff), and U-He’s Satin does a great job of it too. I tried Klevgrand’s version of the cassette thing, but it wasn’t random enough for me, and I have XLN’s RC-20, which does a decent job, though with all those options, I still think I prefer The Echo most.
Thanks I'm going to try The Echo Wobble knob & esselfortium's CF-101 example for sure, but anyone with stock suggestions should add them.
Also the U-he tape machine mentioned looks awesome but expensive, given an unlimited budget I think that would be the way to go.
Also the U-he tape machine mentioned looks awesome but expensive, given an unlimited budget I think that would be the way to go.
That’s one of the ones I was thinking of. I had it installed for a while and liked it.Billy wrote: ↑13 Oct 2020I found an open source physical modelled tape machine,
https://github.com/jatinchowdhury18/AnalogTapeModel
based on the Sony TC-260.
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As usual, Reason has more than one way to get this type of effect - here are a couple of practical examples from Youtube - the first is easiest and most direct using The Echo, the second one uses Subtractor to make a wobbly patch, rather than processing an existing sound, very interesting though:
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You can also add run the LFO Tool in random and connect it to the Delay Time knob, to get more random artifacts. It creates small pitch jumps.
Just keep in mind with The Echo in 100% Wet, it will not do any delay compensation, so you need to bounce to audio and then slide the audio back into time.
A Flanger on 100% Wet can also get pretty crazy Some people just use a very fast and deep chorus.
They all sound different, but still part of the "Lo-Fi" sound character.
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You sound like you've a grudge?MrFigg wrote: ↑13 Oct 2020Google free tape VST and don’t give Softube a penny.Billy wrote: ↑13 Oct 2020So I'm looking at Softube's Tape vst as I'm after trying to get some tape style pitch drift only I would much rather have a stock solution and the only device that comes to mind is Echo and it's Wobble knob.
My questions are
1) How well does this compare.
2) Should I just buy yet another vst.
3) Do you have a better option.
Remember I'm only after the pitch effect not the noise or saturation.
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This example looks sounds like the end result,
Now can I use the delay comp to make sure I don't have to bounce audio every time? I'm thinking this one,
you don’t really have to compensate at all, using The Echo (as long as 1 ms of delay doesn’t bother you). turn off tempo sync and just drop that bad boy down to 1 ms of delay. of course it should be fully wet and the feedback should be turned off.
I'm not sure that rings true, after watching the video you would be introducing a delay when using the delay time knob to control the Wobble duration.
I guess I could find the settings I like, do a quick bounce to audio to find the length and then move the midi back to correct it within the project.
I don’t understand—wobble duration?Billy wrote: ↑14 Oct 2020I'm not sure that rings true, after watching the video you would be introducing a delay when using the delay time knob to control the Wobble duration.
I guess I could find the settings I like, do a quick bounce to audio to find the length and then move the midi back to correct it within the project.
If you watch the video that uses The Echo to create the Tape style pitch drifts it explains that the Wobble knob is more like a Wobble depth and the delay time knob is controlling the duration / length of time to cycle the depth.
So you can have a low depth Wobble over a short time.
I guess I'm going to have to fire up the machine and have a play.
So you can have a low depth Wobble over a short time.
I guess I'm going to have to fire up the machine and have a play.
yeah, always best to try it out yourself. you don't need to change the delay time to get it to still wobble is I guess what I'm getting at. leaving it at 1 ms gives you a pretty nice wobble.
BUT, I did get curious, because I have suspected the delay time does have an effect (just never dug far enough to find out what it was before)--just fired up a session, and tested it out.
I set up a Subtractor going through The Echo, turned the Wobble all the way up, and tried the Delay Time in three different positions. then I bounced the track and opened in Pitch Editor to see what was going on...
so here are my takeaways--
- Delay Time does factor in, to a degree
- lower Delay Time seems to introduce a measure of stability to the signal (still plenty of wobble, but not wobbling all the time)
- the biggest factor higher Delay Time settings have is that the wobble becomes very unstable, with no periods where the pitch remains steady
- a smaller factor of higher Delay Time settings is that it seems to slightly scale up the depth of the wobble
- appears there's some sort of point of diminishing returns with both stability and depth scaling provided by the Delay Time--in the middle and right examples, stability and depth appear to be about the same, despite an approximate doubling in the Delay Time
- the wobble does appear to be randomized (always kind of assumed that, but now I know )
I guess I've never had a problem using a 1 ms Delay Time because it sounds a little more like the real thing to me--most of the shifty tape decks I've used in the past were never THAT shifty.
BUT, I did get curious, because I have suspected the delay time does have an effect (just never dug far enough to find out what it was before)--just fired up a session, and tested it out.
I set up a Subtractor going through The Echo, turned the Wobble all the way up, and tried the Delay Time in three different positions. then I bounced the track and opened in Pitch Editor to see what was going on...
so here are my takeaways--
- Delay Time does factor in, to a degree
- lower Delay Time seems to introduce a measure of stability to the signal (still plenty of wobble, but not wobbling all the time)
- the biggest factor higher Delay Time settings have is that the wobble becomes very unstable, with no periods where the pitch remains steady
- a smaller factor of higher Delay Time settings is that it seems to slightly scale up the depth of the wobble
- appears there's some sort of point of diminishing returns with both stability and depth scaling provided by the Delay Time--in the middle and right examples, stability and depth appear to be about the same, despite an approximate doubling in the Delay Time
- the wobble does appear to be randomized (always kind of assumed that, but now I know )
I guess I've never had a problem using a 1 ms Delay Time because it sounds a little more like the real thing to me--most of the shifty tape decks I've used in the past were never THAT shifty.
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