Sequences 1.4 - With Per-Note Conditions!
Another brilliant update to one of my favourite Players. Thanks for this! I use Sequences everywhere - it’s a great alternative to Ghost clips (which hopefully we’ll also get one day in the sequencer itself!).
I have spotted one issue that seems repeatable, and I can’t test with 1.3 (since I’ve upgrade the RE already) to know whether it is something that has changed in 1.4. Here are the steps to recreate:
I’ve tried the same steps with similar Players (e.g. PolyStep, Kompulsion) to see if it’s a general Player looping issue, but they don’t seem to exhibit the same behaviour. Hopefully this is something simple (or something I’ve missed about the way looping/retriggering works in Sequences!)
Thanks for an awesome update though!
I have spotted one issue that seems repeatable, and I can’t test with 1.3 (since I’ve upgrade the RE already) to know whether it is something that has changed in 1.4. Here are the steps to recreate:
- In pattern 1 of Sequences, reduce the pattern length to 16 steps, then draw out a pattern in the first 16 steps
- Create a pattern automation lane for Sequences
- Draw out a pattern clip from bars 2.1.1.0 to 5.1.1.0 (i.e. 3 repetitions of that pattern in one clip). Note that the problem doesn't happen if the clip is at the start of the song at 1.1.1.0.
- Put the left and right loop markers around this clip, engage loop and press play
- The first time through the loop you hear the three pattern iterations correctly
- However, when the playhead loops back to 2.1.1.0 the pattern stops and doesn’t restart until later into the clip
I’ve tried the same steps with similar Players (e.g. PolyStep, Kompulsion) to see if it’s a general Player looping issue, but they don’t seem to exhibit the same behaviour. Hopefully this is something simple (or something I’ve missed about the way looping/retriggering works in Sequences!)
Thanks for an awesome update though!
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I have seen this issue before as I created an auto pattern changer, what I found was I had to move the slider forward by about 6 to 7 ticks for it to work and just put it down to a timing issue.chrispy wrote: ↑17 Sep 2020Another brilliant update to one of my favourite Players. Thanks for this! I use Sequences everywhere - it’s a great alternative to Ghost clips (which hopefully we’ll also get one day in the sequencer itself!).
I have spotted one issue that seems repeatable, and I can’t test with 1.3 (since I’ve upgrade the RE already) to know whether it is something that has changed in 1.4. Here are the steps to recreate:
- In pattern 1 of Sequences, reduce the pattern length to 16 steps, then draw out a pattern in the first 16 steps
- Create a pattern automation lane for Sequences
- Draw out a pattern clip from bars 2.1.1.0 to 5.1.1.0 (i.e. 3 repetitions of that pattern in one clip). Note that the problem doesn't happen if the clip is at the start of the song at 1.1.1.0.
- Put the left and right loop markers around this clip, engage loop and press play
- The first time through the loop you hear the three pattern iterations correctly
I can send an example Reason project that shows this if it's easier.
- However, when the playhead loops back to 2.1.1.0 the pattern stops and doesn’t restart until later into the clip
I’ve tried the same steps with similar Players (e.g. PolyStep, Kompulsion) to see if it’s a general Player looping issue, but they don’t seem to exhibit the same behaviour. Hopefully this is something simple (or something I’ve missed about the way looping/retriggering works in Sequences!)
Thanks for an awesome update though!
Yes, I can reproduce this issue. Thanks for the detailed instructions!chrispy wrote: ↑17 Sep 2020Another brilliant update to one of my favourite Players. Thanks for this! I use Sequences everywhere - it’s a great alternative to Ghost clips (which hopefully we’ll also get one day in the sequencer itself!).
I have spotted one issue that seems repeatable, and I can’t test with 1.3 (since I’ve upgrade the RE already) to know whether it is something that has changed in 1.4. Here are the steps to recreate:
- In pattern 1 of Sequences, reduce the pattern length to 16 steps, then draw out a pattern in the first 16 steps
- Create a pattern automation lane for Sequences
- Draw out a pattern clip from bars 2.1.1.0 to 5.1.1.0 (i.e. 3 repetitions of that pattern in one clip). Note that the problem doesn't happen if the clip is at the start of the song at 1.1.1.0.
- Put the left and right loop markers around this clip, engage loop and press play
- The first time through the loop you hear the three pattern iterations correctly
I can send an example Reason project that shows this if it's easier.
- However, when the playhead loops back to 2.1.1.0 the pattern stops and doesn’t restart until later into the clip
I’ve tried the same steps with similar Players (e.g. PolyStep, Kompulsion) to see if it’s a general Player looping issue, but they don’t seem to exhibit the same behaviour. Hopefully this is something simple (or something I’ve missed about the way looping/retriggering works in Sequences!)
Thanks for an awesome update though!
I'll get working on it right away.
Here's another video that goes through all the gory details of the new Condition lane:
This update is very nice.
I'm wondering if something like Sarn Elen in the following video would be possible with Sequences in combination with Euclidean Rythm?
I'm wondering if something like Sarn Elen in the following video would be possible with Sequences in combination with Euclidean Rythm?
Yes, you can combine Sequences and Euclidean in different ways.
The most obvious way is to chain Sequences after Euclidean and set Sequences to Stepped playback mode. Then each "hit" from Euclidean will trigger the next step in Sequences. If you enable KBD Transpose mode too, you can transpose your sequence while playing, creating a sort of euclidean arpeggiator.
The other way is to chain Euclidean after Sequences, then Euclidean will "filter" the notes that come from Sequences, long notes will be chopped up, etc.
Well, this is not as easy as it sounds.
For a more basic step sequencer like Matrix or Step Note Recorder it's almost trivial: Each step contains exactly one note, so basically all you have to do is randomize the pitch, velocity and tie state for each step and you're done. You can always tweak things like having a reasonable range for the pitch etc, but that's pretty simple.
Sequences is more like a quantized note clip: Each step can contain 0 - N notes, they can have arbitrary lengths etc etc, so the number of possible patterns is absolutely huge in relation to the more simple sequencers. So I think a simple step randomization would simply not cut it...
We would have to come up with something akin to QNG or Evolution and integrate it into Sequences, i e putting in the same effort as creating a completely new RE! Not to mention the clutter of controls we would have to add in order to give the user some control over the process.
So I think the best way for now is to do the actual randomization in Matrix, QNG, Evolution etc, and then record the output of those into Sequences for further processing (like timing edit, conditions), organizing the different parts into patterns, and so on.
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Weird - can't seem to get this to work.
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Just tested it here, it seems to be working fine for me!
- Create a pattern with Fill conditions
- Right-click on Sequences and choose "Create Track For Sequences"
- Make sure that automation is record enabled for the track (it should be by default)
- Hit the Record button on Reason's main transport
- Click in any of the fill boxes in the lane (i e the rectangle with a bright outline under each F condition) to automate fills
Let me know if you still can't make it work!
@ riemac If you haven't experimented with stacking players yet, you are MISSING OUT! That's one of the best things about players, IMO. You can stack as many players as you want, and get some happy accidents that would make Bob Ross proud. They work from the top down, similar to the rest of Reason's devices... so if you put Sequences on top, the notes from Sequences are fed down thru the players below it. Sequences + Euclidean = AMAZING!buddard wrote: ↑18 Sep 2020Yes, you can combine Sequences and Euclidean in different ways.
The most obvious way is to chain Sequences after Euclidean and set Sequences to Stepped playback mode. Then each "hit" from Euclidean will trigger the next step in Sequences. If you enable KBD Transpose mode too, you can transpose your sequence while playing, creating a sort of euclidean arpeggiator.
The other way is to chain Euclidean after Sequences, then Euclidean will "filter" the notes that come from Sequences, long notes will be chopped up, etc.
So glad to hear you got it, Figg. Welcome to the club! How are you enjoying it so far? Stupid question, I know.
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Looooving the RB twist! Being able to play different notes in the same step is something I've always wanted in my elektron device. Sure you can have the adjacent trig and micro time it to overlap, but this is much easier. Thank you robotic bean!!!!
Recording "Fill" lane is working for me, too.
No, those are destructive operations that alter the pattern data itself, so they can’t be automated..
But you can automate Transpose (or control it via MIDI notes or CV), and you can make the pattern play “out of phase” using Reset (automation or CV) or by offsetting and trimming -pattern clips.
Thanks man. Worked that out. Also I can just copy the pattern paste it into the next pattern and shift it there . Excellent RE. På riktigt och på sant.buddard wrote: ↑20 Sep 2020No, those are destructive operations that alter the pattern data itself, so they can’t be automated..
But you can automate Transpose (or control it via MIDI notes or CV), and you can make the pattern play “out of phase” using Reset (automation or CV) or by offsetting and trimming -pattern clips.
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Thanks - this is exactly what I needed. It was obviously “user error”!
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