Unlocking the Portal

[Lokey]

[bxbrkrz]

[plaamook]

I really want to try a gong bath.
Not because I think it's spiritual or anything, just because, like psychadelics and tantric sex, it looks like a load of fun.

[bxbrkrz]

I really want to try a gong bath.
Not because I think it's spiritual or anything, just because, like psychadelics and tantric sex, it looks like a load of fun.

You could also try to live the event as a spiritual experience, and detach yourself from the concepts of "I think", or "having fun", or "anything".

The Portal is within, and everywhere at the same [idea of what we perceive as time].

[plaamook]

I really want to try a gong bath.
Not because I think it's spiritual or anything, just because, like psychadelics and tantric sex, it looks like a load of fun.

You could also try to live the event as a spiritual experience, and detach yourself from the concepts of "I think", or "having fun", or "anything".

The Portal is within, and everywhere at the same [idea of what we perceive as time].

Too much effort.

But as you mention it, and I’m porting ideas here, there is no ‘within’ or ‘without’ and the whole of reality is the so called portal.

My 2p anyway...

[bxbrkrz]

You could also try to live the event as a spiritual experience, and detach yourself from the concepts of "I think", or "having fun", or "anything".

The Portal is within, and everywhere at the same [idea of what we perceive as time].

Too much effort.

But as you mention it, and I’m porting ideas here, there is no ‘within’ or ‘without’ and the whole of reality is the so called portal.

My 2p anyway...

No within, no without, no up, no down, no left, no right, no time, no direction.

No Portal.

[plaamook]

Too much effort.

But as you mention it, and I’m porting ideas here, there is no ‘within’ or ‘without’ and the whole of reality is the so called portal.

My 2p anyway...

No within, no without, no up, no down, no left, no right, no time, no direction.

No Portal.

The portal is provisional.

[bxbrkrz]

No within, no without, no up, no down, no left, no right, no time, no direction.

No Portal.

The portal is provisional.

Provisional = time.
No time = no Portal.

[plaamook]

The portal is provisional.

Provisional = time.
No time = no Portal.

No time-no anything.
And yet here we are.
So time is also provisional.

[bxbrkrz]

Provisional = time.
No time = no Portal.

No time-no anything.
And yet here we are.
So time is also provisional.

And here we are.
At the edge of the event horizon of what we experience as Reality.
The closer we get to its singularity, the further away our understanding of Reality is moving from us. From our mind. From our senses, the interface we use to define Reality.

[plaamook]

No time-no anything.
And yet here we are.
So time is also provisional.

And here we are.
At the edge of the event horizon of what we experience as Reality.
The closer we get to its singularity, the further away our understanding of Reality is moving from us. From our mind. From our senses, the interface we use to define Reality.

Well, sort of. It depends on the resolution you’re trying to describe things at.
Newton’s laws are great for building a house or launching a rocket. Quantum theory not so much. That works better for smaller things in general. Scaling problems etc.
Our normal view of time and space is great for getting laid, drunk, and grocery shopping but if you crank up the resolution you get problems to do w time and the subjective/objective binary and so on.
By the time you’re talking about direct perception of singularities or the ever receding moment in time...well, you may as well go back to the gong baths.

Meditations prob more useful.

The real stuff though. Not that mindfulness twadle.

[bxbrkrz]

And here we are.
At the edge of the event horizon of what we experience as Reality.
The closer we get to its singularity, the further away our understanding of Reality is moving from us. From our mind. From our senses, the interface we use to define Reality.

Well, sort of. It depends on the resolution you’re trying to describe things at.
Newton’s laws are great for building a house or launching a rocket. Quantum theory not so much. That works better for smaller things in general. Scaling problems etc.
Our normal view of time and space is great for getting laid, drunk, and grocery shopping but if you crank up the resolution you get problems to do w time and the subjective/objective binary and so on.
By the time you’re talking about direct perception of singularities or the ever receding moment in time...well, you may as well go back to the gong baths.

Meditations prob more useful.

The real stuff though. Not that mindfulness twadle.

"The real stuff" is locked within our interface and its latency. So is our imagination.

Meditation is useful.

[NDKay]

[plaamook]

Well, sort of. It depends on the resolution you’re trying to describe things at.
Newton’s laws are great for building a house or launching a rocket. Quantum theory not so much. That works better for smaller things in general. Scaling problems etc.
Our normal view of time and space is great for getting laid, drunk, and grocery shopping but if you crank up the resolution you get problems to do w time and the subjective/objective binary and so on.
By the time you’re talking about direct perception of singularities or the ever receding moment in time...well, you may as well go back to the gong baths.

Meditations prob more useful.

The real stuff though. Not that mindfulness twadle.

"The real stuff" is locked within our interface and its latency. So is our imagination.

Meditation is useful.

Conceptually, yeah. Concepts being the interface and pretty much what a mind has to work with. The now-so-called real stuff is pretty much designed at bypassing the conceptual interface.
The actual Śiva isn’t locked anywhere. Neither is anything else. It’s just the conceptual modelling that’s stuck, so to speak. The conceptual model isn’t the singularity. The perception of it isn’t either.
What sees the conceptual model?
It doesn’t see itself. Not any more that youre screen is reading these words.

Anyway, time for my gong bath...

[bxbrkrz]

"The real stuff" is locked within our interface and its latency. So is our imagination.

Meditation is useful.

Conceptually, yeah. Concepts being the interface and pretty much what a mind has to work with. The now-so-called real stuff is pretty much designed at bypassing the conceptual interface.
The actual Śiva isn’t locked anywhere. Neither is anything else. It’s just the conceptual modelling that’s stuck, so to speak. The conceptual model isn’t the singularity. The perception of it isn’t either.
What sees the conceptual model?
It doesn’t see itself. Not any more that youre screen is reading these words.

Anyway, time for my gong bath...

Then:
The concept of a "portal" can only be, if seeing by an observer via its interface.
Our Consciousness isn't locked anywhere, especially not in our brain.
We can't bypass our interface, but we can imagine we can.

Enjoy your bath

[plaamook]

Conceptually, yeah. Concepts being the interface and pretty much what a mind has to work with. The now-so-called real stuff is pretty much designed at bypassing the conceptual interface.
The actual Śiva isn’t locked anywhere. Neither is anything else. It’s just the conceptual modelling that’s stuck, so to speak. The conceptual model isn’t the singularity. The perception of it isn’t either.
What sees the conceptual model?
It doesn’t see itself. Not any more that youre screen is reading these words.

Anyway, time for my gong bath...

Then:
The concept of a "portal" can only be, if seeing by an observer via its interface.
Our Consciousness isn't locked anywhere, especially not in our brain.
We can't bypass our interface, but we can imagine we can.

Enjoy your bath

If the conciousness isn't locked anywhere, especially not the brain, where is it? What's it's relationship to the interface? Is the interface part of the brain or the conciousness?

[bxbrkrz]

Then:
The concept of a "portal" can only be, if seeing by an observer via its interface.
Our Consciousness isn't locked anywhere, especially not in our brain.
We can't bypass our interface, but we can imagine we can.

Enjoy your bath

If the conciousness isn't locked anywhere, especially not the brain, where is it? What's it's relationship to the interface? Is the interface part of the brain or the conciousness?

One could say that:
Out of nothingness, the universe and all of its rules (the speed of light, the 4 Fundamental Forces of Nature, etc...) were all created at the same [time]. Out of Matter, came Consciousness.
Another way of understanding is Consciousness created Reality, and all of its rules.

No matter the path chosen, we are facing the same conundrum. Within, and outside. At the same [time].

No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created it.

Albert Einstein

[plaamook]

If the conciousness isn't locked anywhere, especially not the brain, where is it? What's it's relationship to the interface? Is the interface part of the brain or the conciousness?

One could say that:
Out of nothingness, the universe and all of its rules (the speed of light, the 4 Fundamental Forces of Nature, etc...) were all created at the same [time]. Out of Matter, came Consciousness.
Another way of understanding is Consciousness created Reality, and all of its rules.

No matter the path chosen, we are facing the same conundrum. Within, and outside. At the same [time].

No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created it.

Albert Einstein

But if conciousness creates reality then the distinction of inside and outside is also provisional because there would be nothing but the single conciousness shaping itself into everything. So in theory it would be possible to have conscious experience of some sort without a body as such, and with out and inner/outter aspect, correct? If that's possible than in theory we should be able to jump the fence of the interface.

Well, not 'we' or 'me' or 'you' but some aspect of so-called consciousness could jump it anyway.

[bxbrkrz]

One could say that:
Out of nothingness, the universe and all of its rules (the speed of light, the 4 Fundamental Forces of Nature, etc...) were all created at the same [time]. Out of Matter, came Consciousness.
Another way of understanding is Consciousness created Reality, and all of its rules.

No matter the path chosen, we are facing the same conundrum. Within, and outside. At the same [time].

No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created it.

Albert Einstein

But if conciousness creates reality then the distinction of inside and outside is also provisional because there would be nothing but the single conciousness shaping itself into everything. So in theory it would be possible to have conscious experience of some sort without a body as such, and with out and inner/outter aspect, correct? If that's possible than in theory we should be able to jump the fence of the interface.

Well, not 'we' or 'me' or 'you' but some aspect of so-called consciousness could jump it anyway.

Yes.
This is what some people are trying to do, "jumping the interface", with The Vine of the Soul. Personally I believe it is a waste of time, and a dangerous way to waste their health.

To use your metaphor regarding the screens of our computers and the pixels we look at. The screen is an interface. We know what we watch on TV are not coming from inside the TV. The same could be true for our consciousness. 2 levels. Level 2, somewhat local and connected to a materialistic world. Level 1, a Consciousness that glues everything together.

Because I am using my imagination to describe [something], using lego blocks of concepts from my reality, the portal I want to define will always be a lie, since the words I would need do not exist.





Everything is connected. Everything is One. There is no Portal.

[plaamook]

The Tao that can be told is not the eternal Tao.
The name that can be named is not the eternal name.
The nameless is the beginning of heaven and earth.
The named is the mother of the 10.000 things.
Free from desire one can see the mystery
Full of desire one sees it’s manifestations.
These to are the same but differ in name only.

And so on.

[plaamook]

But if conciousness creates reality then the distinction of inside and outside is also provisional because there would be nothing but the single conciousness shaping itself into everything. So in theory it would be possible to have conscious experience of some sort without a body as such, and with out and inner/outter aspect, correct? If that's possible than in theory we should be able to jump the fence of the interface.

Well, not 'we' or 'me' or 'you' but some aspect of so-called consciousness could jump it anyway.

Yes.
This is what some people are trying to do, "jumping the interface", with The Vine of the Soul. Personally I believe it is a waste of time, and a dangerous way to waste their health.

To use your metaphor regarding the screens of our computers and the pixels we look at. The screen is an interface. We know what we watch on TV are not coming from inside the TV. The same could be true for our consciousness. 2 levels. Level 2, somewhat local and connected to a materialistic world. Level 1, a Consciousness that glues everything together.

Because I am using my imagination to describe [something], using lego blocks of concepts from my reality, the portal I want to define will always be a lie, since the words I would need do not exist.





Everything is connected. Everything is One. There is no Portal.

Vine of the soul...agreed.
Experience hunters basically.
Same old stuff but with funny bells on it.

[bxbrkrz]

Yes.
This is what some people are trying to do, "jumping the interface", with The Vine of the Soul. Personally I believe it is a waste of time, and a dangerous way to waste their health.

To use your metaphor regarding the screens of our computers and the pixels we look at. The screen is an interface. We know what we watch on TV are not coming from inside the TV. The same could be true for our consciousness. 2 levels. Level 2, somewhat local and connected to a materialistic world. Level 1, a Consciousness that glues everything together.

Because I am using my imagination to describe [something], using lego blocks of concepts from my reality, the portal I want to define will always be a lie, since the words I would need do not exist.


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Everything is connected. Everything is One. There is no Portal.

Vine of the soul...agreed.
Experience hunters basically.
Same old stuff but with funny bells on it.

"Experience hunters". Perfect definition. They will sell you a book, point you to a travel agency, etc.

[Lokey]

Yes.
This is what some people are trying to do, "jumping the interface", with The Vine of the Soul. Personally I believe it is a waste of time, and a dangerous way to waste their health.

To use your metaphor regarding the screens of our computers and the pixels we look at. The screen is an interface. We know what we watch on TV are not coming from inside the TV. The same could be true for our consciousness. 2 levels. Level 2, somewhat local and connected to a materialistic world. Level 1, a Consciousness that glues everything together.

Because I am using my imagination to describe [something], using lego blocks of concepts from my reality, the portal I want to define will always be a lie, since the words I would need do not exist.





Everything is connected. Everything is One. There is no Portal.

Vine of the soul...agreed.
Experience hunters basically.
Same old stuff but with funny bells on it.

Basically stating "there is no portal" is Access to a higher portal than saying there is a portal ,
Plus most significant portals need keys to be activated ,
"There is no portal" is one Key of one portal ,
Saying the key is the portal is another interesting one

Edit : as in op title : "unlocking' the portal

[plaamook]

Vine of the soul...agreed.
Experience hunters basically.
Same old stuff but with funny bells on it.

Basically stating "there is no portal" is Access to a higher portal than saying there is a portal ,
Plus most significant portals need keys to be activated ,
"There is no portal" is one Key of one portal ,
Saying the key is the portal is another interesting one

Edit : as in op title : "unlocking' the portal

Like emptiness in Buddhism. Yeah

[bxbrkrz]

I understand we need words to describe concepts that are beyond our comprehension, beyond our imagination.
If we can describe them with words, they stop being beyond the limits of our reality.
They become part of our reality.
Trying to describe a portal will only open a door to our own way of [understanding everything].
It's an infinite loop.

Thus the portal is a lie.