Saw them twice when they were still the Beatnigs
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I was listening to the Wolfgang Press yesterday man. Weird. On that 4AD Lonely is an Eyesore compilation. Got Dead Can Dance in my head so dig out the vinyl
"White Cop=Bad Guy" should not be the message across the USA though. And nor should it be. Many city & state cops have expressed unity with the message that the George Floyd murder was unacceptable. I'm not one for emotions too much, but I have *actually* cried when seeing some powerful statements from "white" police, in relation to the current state of anarchy.joeyluck wrote: ↑04 Jun 2020Some people miss the facts that this isn't simply about a murderer who is white and a black victim. Yes, there is racism involved in the disgusting act itself and the reason why George Floyd was killed...
But this is about the fact that you wouldn't know about it if it wasn't filmed. Because if it wasn't filmed, the racist system would take the white cop at his word. Their police report said nothing remotely close to what happened or why the ambulance was called and when it was called. If it wasn't filmed there wouldn't be any arrests and there would be no investigation. And then you have the local coroner delivering very false autopsy findings. The system is broken and incredibly racist.
Wow !
Really, Joey ? You wouldn't know about racial bias if it weren't filmed ?
You are completely misunderstanding. Yes, disparity is clear.
Not sure I understand the point of this post.Proboscis wrote: ↑04 Jun 2020No CGI by the way.
That Buddhist Monk (Thich Quang Duc) set himself alight in the streets of Saigon, in protest of government persecution
How many BLM are self-immolating for the cause ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-immolation
How does a government enforce law & order, when there are rioters, looters & vandals dispersed among the 'peaceful protesters' ? Do they do nothing ?Boombastix wrote: ↑04 Jun 2020Not sure I understand the point of this post.
People are out protesting, being shot with rubber bullets. I've seen many pictures of gaping and bleeding holes in their heads, destroyed eyes, blindness. Documenting with video, sending it to the press, sharing, calling out perpetrators, things are happening.
Try re-reading maybe? My point is about murders being filmed. It's about the system taking white people at their word as it relates to the killing of black people and any POC. If those murders weren't filmed, there would be no arrests and no investigations. That's how screwed up it is. If there weren't the protests and public outcry, there also would be no action taken.
No, I was expecting a clarification to the statement "How many BLM are self-immolating for the cause ?"
truthorthodox wrote: ↑03 Jun 2020I don't think that's the main cause of the problem. Not the memory of institutional racism of some racist state of mind play the main role, but the existing socioeconomic disparity that reproduces itself through generations. If you erase the minds of everyone, people will still be poor, communities will still be living together compactly, and they will be recreating the same thing again and again since their childhood, because race will become a convenient distinguishing feature, like it is now for the cops. It has been 3-4 generations already since the the last racist law was eliminated and we're still there, nothing has been changing.chimp_spanner wrote: ↑03 Jun 2020And it certainly doesn't change the reality of life for many POC. There's documented, real history in America of real institutional racism and discrimination, much of it still within living memory. If you don't think that has any lasting effect on subsequent generations and their prospects and opportunities...well I'm not sure what to say.
Eh that's debatable. It actually makes America out to be the socio-ignorant country that it is. If one were to concentrate on the rioting and the looting without taking heed to the majority of peaceful protest that are happening, then you know where their interest lies. It's like having a bad child in a well of, well-mannered family. Do you oust the family as a whole? No, you attempt to wonder how there is such a bad child when everyone else is well-mannered.Proboscis wrote: ↑04 Jun 2020How does a government enforce law & order, when there are rioters, looters & vandals dispersed among the 'peaceful protesters' ? Do they do nothing ?Boombastix wrote: ↑04 Jun 2020Not sure I understand the point of this post.
People are out protesting, being shot with rubber bullets. I've seen many pictures of gaping and bleeding holes in their heads, destroyed eyes, blindness. Documenting with video, sending it to the press, sharing, calling out perpetrators, things are happening.
The message of unity becomes diluted when radical fools are smashing windows and burning down buildings.
I DO remember the sparks a flying!MrFigg wrote: ↑04 Jun 2020I was listening to the Wolfgang Press yesterday man. Weird. On that 4AD Lonely is an Eyesore compilation. Got Dead Can Dance in my head so dig out the vinyl.
One of the times I saw the Beatnigs they were playing with Billy Bragg and Michelle Shocked. They all did a cover of the Smiths Panic as an encore. Axle Grinders at the ready haha.
I see it more like a good intentioned forum with few trolls. One bad apple don't spoil the whole bunch, etc…Kalm wrote: ↑04 Jun 2020If one were to concentrate on the rioting and the looting without taking heed to the majority of peaceful protest that are happening, then you know where their interest lies. It's like having a bad child in a well of, well-mannered family. Do you oust the family as a whole? No, you attempt to wonder how there is such a bad child when everyone else is well-mannered.
But that’s my point. You CAN blame the family, like you CAN blame the movement. But your efforts doesn’t constitute the behavior of said child or people. Everyone even that must speak and take responsibility for themselves.selig wrote: ↑04 Jun 2020I see it more like a good intentioned forum with few trolls. One bad apple don't spoil the whole bunch, etc…Kalm wrote: ↑04 Jun 2020If one were to concentrate on the rioting and the looting without taking heed to the majority of peaceful protest that are happening, then you know where their interest lies. It's like having a bad child in a well of, well-mannered family. Do you oust the family as a whole? No, you attempt to wonder how there is such a bad child when everyone else is well-mannered.
With the family example, it's the family that raised the child, so you CAN point some of the blame at the family…
The issue is that anyone can join the march, it's not the marchers fault there are looters hiding in the ranks. Many marchers are now more actively running off the trouble makers, now that they're on to the tactics. And many cities are getting smart to the tactics as well, NYC for one (despite some past bad actors) is now doing a better job of differentiating between peaceful protesters and violent agitators.
It's a tricky thing when then whole idea of the agitators is to use the protesters as cover, in a "wolves in sheep's clothing" way.
I don't think we're disagreeing on the situation at all, just on the way to describe it and which comparisons are more apt.
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