Proboscis wrote: ↑
11 Feb 2020
Yonatan wrote: ↑
11 Feb 2020
Understand you. Its been half year soon since release of a halfbaked R11, and nothing have been added to the DAW side, just playing catch up with the Rack Plugin.
I really hope that we have to eat up that disappointment soon enough. But it frustrates a bit to see many more dedicated DAWs out there while Reason acts as if only one on the market.
I guess a better way to look at Reason into the future is that it's a really great VST. And if viewed that way, $399 for Reason VST is an INCREDIBLE product. But, it's a lot of money for an amateur to spend. And for existing users like myself, $129 to upgrade is a bit over the top for only two new effects (Quartete & Sweeper) when I already have RE's that can achieve the same or similar. So as I've said earlier, for anyone who wants to move on to another DAW in the absence of dozens of sequencer & console features in Reason, with no indication of them ever fixing stuff, I see the upgrade price as an 'exit tax' to be free forever.
And how that fares for future revenue for them...... I see no compelling argument for anyone ever upgrading again, once they learn another DAW and already have 'Reason VST'.
I do get that users, myself included, prefer to 'stick with what they know', and that's so true for me, because there's a steep learning curve that comes from jumping ship. Right now, if I were to start a Cakewalk project, most of my time is mucking around where in Reason I would be up & running. A lot of little hings like navigating around with shortcut keys, location of settings, the way in which FX are added to a channel, it's all very foreign. Although from the sheer number of features I've uncovered in Cakewalk, and posted here that I would find VERY helpful down the track, it's time that I'm willing to put in.
That said though, Cakewalk probably won't get much real use from me for now, since the best decision on spending money would be to hold out for Reason 12 .
Yes, I am in same boat. Am waiting now to see if that "secret" new take on something (that RS wanted ppl in sthlm to try out) is of enough use for me as to upgrade (if that is part of Reason 11) and thus makes me move from R10 finally. Or if there will be a waiting out of the R12, and instead buy some nice RE or VST that fills some gap. Nothing in R11 at release is crucial for me now.
I am on Mac so Cakewalk is not for me, thankfully limits the choices a bit. But Logic I have got and although it has so many more features than Reason in Sequencer etc, I find myself more comfortable working in Reason, but who knows, that could change a tiny bit when finally get the Rack plugin AU, to use the Rack in Logic is something I long for a bit. But even if it will bridge the gap between Reason and Logic, I will certainly still start out and/or finish tracks in Reason, but all depending on what I want or need for that specific song. Ableton Live is also a bit interesting for its stripped down look and live clip section. Great combo with Reason Rack Plugin. So, I very much see the goodness in the Rack plugin and I think it boosts RS confidence quite much. It is much easier for them to move more freely about in the Music Making Community when they have the Rack Plugin to showcase and be in events with other DAWs etc. I think that is a great thing, as long as they do not totally leave Reason to the curb, but rather get themselves a bit of space to take Reason DAW forward without the feeling of being too far behind the other DAWs.
The Rack plugin opens up the whole thing. People never heard of Reason will get to know it via the Rack Plugin.
But, yesterday I checked out differences between Reason Intro, Standard and Suite. And noticed on the check-list that Intro does not come with SSL rack devices, nor with the 2 modulation effects and many other devices are not there, so then it is more of use for someone more intended to buy REs from the shop and use and maybe later update to another fuller version. So Intro is the closest to a Empty Rack plugin as one gets, but still what one gets to that €79 is remarkable! It is a great plugin and honestly can see few producers or music makers who would not at some point go get it. But I could see some are waiting out the development a bit and might also wait for things to mature a bit and make the hit at R12. So I am sure Reason has a winner at hand, even if not all will get it at R11. But in long run, who could not want a Rack plugin like that? Cannot see any reason not to, if not having overly full NI rig and tons of VST, but still, people wont want to let such a thing left untouched. They will get it despite some hesitation. The only gripe is if they want the Standard or Suite, that may cause many to wait.