Please help me out with this Sample Rate trick
Yes you can. But I think, his problem was that triangle generator, which seems to be 'non-antialiased'. And he was talking about such non-antialiased plugins that would sound different if oversampled.
I believe, most of the Reason synths are anti-aliased, so there will be not much of a difference. Of course, you can (accidentally) produce such aliasing sounds with certain effects. Then, maybe, that method will be applicable. But there is also a number of drawbacks to rendering at higher sample rate.
I believe, most of the Reason synths are anti-aliased, so there will be not much of a difference. Of course, you can (accidentally) produce such aliasing sounds with certain effects. Then, maybe, that method will be applicable. But there is also a number of drawbacks to rendering at higher sample rate.
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Preference:Audio:Sample Rate - set to 192kHz. Then render/bounce. Many modern plugins use internal up-sampling, so this should then be pretty much a non issue.
Here is what up-sampling looks like doing a filter sweep with Subtractor and a saw wave (+ post normalizing). This pict is while filter is wide open. When it closes the waveform looks the same but amplitude is a little different. The 44k sounds more fizzy/bright at high frequencies, some may like that some may not. You can always bounce at different sample rates and see what you prefer the best, I suspect you only hear a real difference on old plugins w/o internal up-sampling, but I have not experimented much at with this, so someone else may chime in here who has done more testing.
I wish the old Reason synths had a 4x button or a 192Hz button so one could easily compare, but then I rarely use them...
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Here is what up-sampling looks like doing a filter sweep with Subtractor and a saw wave (+ post normalizing). This pict is while filter is wide open. When it closes the waveform looks the same but amplitude is a little different. The 44k sounds more fizzy/bright at high frequencies, some may like that some may not. You can always bounce at different sample rates and see what you prefer the best, I suspect you only hear a real difference on old plugins w/o internal up-sampling, but I have not experimented much at with this, so someone else may chime in here who has done more testing.
I wish the old Reason synths had a 4x button or a 192Hz button so one could easily compare, but then I rarely use them...
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Thank you very much for your help and knowledge as always Orthodox, I really appreciate itorthodox wrote: ↑25 Jan 2020Yes you can. But I think, his problem was that triangle generator, which seems to be 'non-antialiased'. And he was talking about such non-antialiased plugins that would sound different if oversampled.
I believe, most of the Reason synths are anti-aliased, so there will be not much of a difference. Of course, you can (accidentally) produce such aliasing sounds with certain effects. Then, maybe, that method will be applicable. But there is also a number of drawbacks to rendering at higher sample rate.
Should I just keep the default settings in Reason then ? i.e. Keep sample rate at 44.1 ?
Oh thank you for making the experiment in Reason Boombastix you are the man! Wow Im impressed of how "cleaner" 192khz looks compared to 44k.Boombastix wrote: ↑25 Jan 2020Preference:Audio:Sample Rate - set to 192kHz. Then render/bounce. Many modern plugins use internal up-sampling, so this should then be pretty much a non issue.
Here is what up-sampling looks like doing a filter sweep with Subtractor and a saw wave (+ post normalizing). This pict is while filter is wide open. When it closes the waveform looks the same but amplitude is a little different. The 44k sounds more fizzy/bright at high frequencies, some may like that some may not. You can always bounce at different sample rates and see what you prefer the best, I suspect you only hear a real difference on old plugins w/o internal up-sampling, but I have not experimented much at with this, so someone else may chime in here who has done more testing.
I wish the old Reason synths had a 4x button or a 192Hz button so one could easily compare, but then I rarely use them...
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Should I just keep Sample Rate to 192khz as default for all my projects you think ? To get that "clean" sound and avoid "muddiness" or "useless" frequencies ?
After re-reading you I missed the part where you say "some may like it some may not". I guess if I'm looking for what the youtuber is suggesting, maybe I have to try putting sample rate at 192kHz and see for myself.Boombastix wrote: ↑25 Jan 2020Preference:Audio:Sample Rate - set to 192kHz. Then render/bounce. Many modern plugins use internal up-sampling, so this should then be pretty much a non issue.
Here is what up-sampling looks like doing a filter sweep with Subtractor and a saw wave (+ post normalizing). This pict is while filter is wide open. When it closes the waveform looks the same but amplitude is a little different. The 44k sounds more fizzy/bright at high frequencies, some may like that some may not. You can always bounce at different sample rates and see what you prefer the best, I suspect you only hear a real difference on old plugins w/o internal up-sampling, but I have not experimented much at with this, so someone else may chime in here who has done more testing.
I wish the old Reason synths had a 4x button or a 192Hz button so one could easily compare, but then I rarely use them...
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44vs192.gif
What intrigued me in his video is that Reaper seems to have more options for Sample rate, whereas Reason only has 1 setting/option for Sample rate
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Of course I am, lol. But thanks. No there is no muddiness (low frequency mud), but fizz. It affects sounds like bells and other sounds with open filters. I do not use 192, it just sucks up CPU. I pick sounds that I like.
Also note, I saw this difference at high frequencies, so not when playing bass and other sounds with low filter settings. Also, more modern synths have up-sampling and other tricks to avoid aliasing at 44k, so, you can try, but I don't run at 192. You can think of this as a lo-fi FX, w/o having to buy a new plugin to make it. More important is focus on making good compositions after all...just how I see it.
Also note, I saw this difference at high frequencies, so not when playing bass and other sounds with low filter settings. Also, more modern synths have up-sampling and other tricks to avoid aliasing at 44k, so, you can try, but I don't run at 192. You can think of this as a lo-fi FX, w/o having to buy a new plugin to make it. More important is focus on making good compositions after all...just how I see it.
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