ah, gotcha, no worries. I probably could have made it more clear. appreciate the attempt, though!visheshl wrote: ↑13 Dec 2019My bad man, i totally misunderstood what you guys were talkiing about. I thought since this thread is about the midiout in reason plugin, i thought the original poster wanted to trigger reason plugin from another vst in the DAW(not standalone reason), then it became more confusing....i thought you wanted to trigger reason standalone from another vst in another daw....oops...guitfnky wrote: ↑13 Dec 2019
wait, you’re using a second DAW simultaneously just to get MIDI out of that VST, into the loopback, and then back into Reason? that’s a useless workaround. you’re using two separate sets of unsynchronized transport controls?
interesting from a technical standpoint, but from a practical standpoint, pointless.
New alpha reason plugin midi out
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Well since 7 or 7 point something when they added the External Midi Instrument.EnochLight wrote: ↑13 Dec 2019Sure, but that’s a clunky workaround that is a pain in the ass and not nearly as functional as proper support. We’ve been able to use VST’s in Reason since the Record days using MIDI and audio loopback. It was never an enjoyable approach, though.visheshl wrote: ↑13 Dec 2019
You can use virtual midi ports, like loop midi.
Send midi out from cthulhu to a virtual midi port.
Create a midi keyboard in controllers using the virtual midi port. Now you have out from cthulhu into reason.
I use a mac so i have a program called midi pipe running between my midi keyboard and reason using a virtual midi cable, i use it to alter my midi data i send to reason. For example i can transpose the notes i play on my keyboard.
Fyi, midi pipe lets you create as many virtual ports, and its free
(This has nothing to do with reason midi out device, this is about routing midi from the plugin into reason)
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Is Midi Out for VST's something that VST 3 does or is it something that has to be implemented separately and nothing to do with VST 3?
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it’s separate from VST3.Creativemind wrote: ↑13 Dec 2019Is Midi Out for VST's something that VST 3 does or is it something that has to be implemented separately and nothing to do with VST 3?
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Ahhh ok. Had a hunch it was but just checking.guitfnky wrote: ↑13 Dec 2019it’s separate from VST3.Creativemind wrote: ↑13 Dec 2019
Is Midi Out for VST's something that VST 3 does or is it something that has to be implemented separately and nothing to do with VST 3?
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Oh yeah right - I think it was 7. It's been so long!Creativemind wrote: ↑13 Dec 2019Well since 7 or 7 point something when they added the External Midi Instrument.
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I use a mac so i have a program called midi pipe running between my midi keyboard and reason using a virtual midi cable, i use it to alter my midi data i send to reason. For example i can transpose the notes i play on my keyboard.
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Yay!! I'm probably just 1-2 updates away from upgrading from R10 now haha
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I get that reason rack is getting midi out, so that players can be used to control other synths in the daw outside the rack.
But I don’t get whether as part of this update I can finally use Cthulhu vst within reason standalone. Does anyone know?
If they release both of these features together, it would be a really nice gesture to the reason community after all the reason 11 complaints for those that primarily use standalone daw.
On the other hand, if the only feature in this update is for reason rack, what a d*** move (sorry for my language)
But I don’t get whether as part of this update I can finally use Cthulhu vst within reason standalone. Does anyone know?
If they release both of these features together, it would be a really nice gesture to the reason community after all the reason 11 complaints for those that primarily use standalone daw.
On the other hand, if the only feature in this update is for reason rack, what a d*** move (sorry for my language)
This is just midi out of the rack vst, at this stage. If you want to use cthulu you will need to midi-loopback or another similar third party solution.groggy1 wrote: ↑15 Dec 2019I get that reason rack is getting midi out, so that players can be used to control other synths in the daw outside the rack.
But I don’t get whether as part of this update I can finally use Cthulhu vst within reason standalone. Does anyone know?
If they release both of these features together, it would be a really nice gesture to the reason community after all the reason 11 complaints for those that primarily use standalone daw.
On the other hand, if the only feature in this update is for reason rack, what a d*** move (sorry for my language)
it’s already been established (in this thread) that that isn’t possible, at least not in any practical fashion.zoidkirb wrote: ↑15 Dec 2019This is just midi out of the rack vst, at this stage. If you want to use cthulu you will need to midi-loopback or another similar third party solution.groggy1 wrote: ↑15 Dec 2019I get that reason rack is getting midi out, so that players can be used to control other synths in the daw outside the rack.
But I don’t get whether as part of this update I can finally use Cthulhu vst within reason standalone. Does anyone know?
If they release both of these features together, it would be a really nice gesture to the reason community after all the reason 11 complaints for those that primarily use standalone daw.
On the other hand, if the only feature in this update is for reason rack, what a d*** move (sorry for my language)
It seems possible according to this. Hard work though.
Might be lot easier to simply run your cthulu , scaler, cpt chords etc in Reaper and then Rewire into Reason 10.
I know thats not what people want to hear, honestly i just don''t see props rushing to implement midi out of VSTs as I imagine the Players are one of the best sellers in the store and they won''t want to jeopardise that.
ah, I misunderstood (sort of). this isn’t using Cthulhu VST, though, as the other poster requested. this is Cthulhu standalone. they want to be able to use the VST plugin (not standalone) in the Reason DAW (standalone). looping back is only possible if whatever VST we’re talking about also has a standalone app.zoidkirb wrote: ↑15 Dec 2019
It seems possible according to this. Hard work though.
Might be lot easier to simply run your cthulu , scaler, cpt chords etc in Reaper and then Rewire into Reason 10.
I know thats not what people want to hear, honestly i just don''t see props rushing to implement midi out of VSTs as I imagine the Players are one of the best sellers in the store and they won''t want to jeopardise that.
as for it not being a high priority for them, that may be the case, but I hope you’re wrong. if they only do MIDI out of the Reason VST, and not in Reason itself, they’re effectively nudging those of us who want to be able to use certain tools to use other DAWs instead of Reason. that would deal another blow to many users’ confidence that RS are going to continue focusing on the DAW side of Reason. and I don’t think they’d be jeopardizing much—at least no more than they jeopardized Rack Extensions by allowing VSTs in Reason in the first place.
yes looks like i misunderstood a little also. it's kinda confusing when talking about midi in and out of reason , the rack, the vst etc.guitfnky wrote: ↑16 Dec 2019ah, I misunderstood (sort of). this isn’t using Cthulhu VST, though, as the other poster requested. this is Cthulhu standalone. they want to be able to use the VST plugin (not standalone) in the Reason DAW (standalone). looping back is only possible if whatever VST we’re talking about also has a standalone app.zoidkirb wrote: ↑15 Dec 2019
It seems possible according to this. Hard work though.
Might be lot easier to simply run your cthulu , scaler, cpt chords etc in Reaper and then Rewire into Reason 10.
I know thats not what people want to hear, honestly i just don''t see props rushing to implement midi out of VSTs as I imagine the Players are one of the best sellers in the store and they won''t want to jeopardise that.
as for it not being a high priority for them, that may be the case, but I hope you’re wrong. if they only do MIDI out of the Reason VST, and not in Reason itself, they’re effectively nudging those of us who want to be able to use certain tools to use other DAWs instead of Reason. that would deal another blow to many users’ confidence that RS are going to continue focusing on the DAW side of Reason. and I don’t think they’d be jeopardizing much—at least no more than they jeopardized Rack Extensions by allowing VSTs in Reason in the first place.
i actually dont use cthulu so i've never needed to try that anyway as i really like the players i have in reason.
but, anyway, rewire will definitely let you send whatever midi you want from another daw. i've been rewiring cubase into reason and recording cubase's chord track 'player' onto tracks in reason and it's pretty straight forward.
obviously a pretty frustrating situation given rewire being abandoned in 11, and there being no clear path forward for rack vst midi in...
ha, you’re not kidding about it getting confusing keeping track of VSTs vs. Reason, etc. especially now that Reason is simultaneously a DAW and not a DAW (Schroedinger’s DAW?).zoidkirb wrote: ↑16 Dec 2019yes looks like i misunderstood a little also. it's kinda confusing when talking about midi in and out of reason , the rack, the vst etc.guitfnky wrote: ↑16 Dec 2019
ah, I misunderstood (sort of). this isn’t using Cthulhu VST, though, as the other poster requested. this is Cthulhu standalone. they want to be able to use the VST plugin (not standalone) in the Reason DAW (standalone). looping back is only possible if whatever VST we’re talking about also has a standalone app.
as for it not being a high priority for them, that may be the case, but I hope you’re wrong. if they only do MIDI out of the Reason VST, and not in Reason itself, they’re effectively nudging those of us who want to be able to use certain tools to use other DAWs instead of Reason. that would deal another blow to many users’ confidence that RS are going to continue focusing on the DAW side of Reason. and I don’t think they’d be jeopardizing much—at least no more than they jeopardized Rack Extensions by allowing VSTs in Reason in the first place.
i actually dont use cthulu so i've never needed to try that anyway as i really like the players i have in reason.
but, anyway, rewire will definitely let you send whatever midi you want from another daw. i've been rewiring cubase into reason and recording cubase's chord track 'player' onto tracks in reason and it's pretty straight forward.
obviously a pretty frustrating situation given rewire being abandoned in 11, and there being no clear path forward for rack vst midi in...
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Yes I have Remidi and I love the concept of manipulating my piles and piles of old midi data. But alas all this to end with no VST midi out in the standalone??? . Kind of really disappointed in that. It appears that Propeller-heads studio is doesn't want to have the responsibility of making their software work with everyone else's VSTs so they are trying to just become a VST and drop the standalone. But here is the thing.. I love the standalone. And I have invested a ridiculous amount of money into it. So am I off base here or does this seem a likely scenario? Will it be solved or will I have a choice to pay 150 to upgrade to the next one with no midi fix or 350 toi upgrade with a midi fix? Which I am also annoyed with. I planned on updating to the next version and then paying the difference when I have a little extra cash. BUt no. The upgrade is full price even after you upgrade to 11. Seemed a little "extra" to me. But with that I am sure if I asked the company they would help work out a deal for me. They are after all great guys.. I'd just like to know where this is going. I have a serious amount of cash wrapped up in this company.zumBeispiel wrote: ↑13 Dec 2019I would like having VST MIDI OUT in Reason standalone, no loopmidi apps, no other DAWs, no Reason rack plugin, no clunky pita workarounds, just please a simple VST MIDI OUT in Reason.
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I agree with both of you. I bought Reason 9.5/10 as my first version, because it said you can use ALL your VSTs, so that would include midi out VSTs too. But that was false advertising, so yes some disappointment there for sure. There are several midi out VSTs that have no equivalent Player, and never will have. Of course I want to use them the effectively in Reason. The lack of VSTs midi out is one of the major reasons I can see myself leave Reason for, the other is track freeze.VOIDMONIKER wrote: ↑23 Feb 2020But alas all this to end with no VST midi out in the standalone??? . Kind of really disappointed in that. It appears that Propeller-heads studio is doesn't want to have the responsibility of making their software work with everyone else's VSTs so they are trying to just become a VST and drop the standalone. But here is the thing.. I love the standalone.zumBeispiel wrote: ↑13 Dec 2019I would like having VST MIDI OUT in Reason standalone, no loopmidi apps, no other DAWs, no Reason rack plugin, no clunky pita workarounds, just please a simple VST MIDI OUT in Reason.
But it is RS business decision, how much they want to keep their user base and how much they want to sell...
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Very clear!
Ultimately this will bring more users and they will make more money.
Then, actual Reason DAW users will benefit in the future (hopefully)
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Hopefully more money means more R@D and leads to more exciting releases. Overall I am 99 % satisfied with the company. I am def a Reason head!
Exactly. What everyone seems to forget is that ReWire is now a dead technology, so people that prefer another DAW will abandon Reason entirely without focusing on getting RRP up to snuff. Not that I'm going back to Cubase anytime soon, but without RRP being a suitable replacement for ReWiring Reason into Cubase to work/rework on some old projects, those old projects would be as useful as my old Rebirth .rbs files have been for a few years.
People using Reason in Ableton and buying Reason updates and RE's to use in RRP are going to be a decent addition to ReasonStudios income stream. Companies do need income to stay afloat, dontcha know?
I'm getting closer and closer to upgrading from 10.4 to 11, once all the little bugs and improvements have been sorted out. VST MIDI out capabilities would make R11 an insta-upgrade for me.
Hello DJ Maytag & all! I still haven't figure out how to get this working in live, I've been searching for a tutorial on doing this in Ableton, does anyone know of any online tutorials on this and on using scale & chords in the reason rack with ableton and soft synths?
Does this help?
1. Create two MIDI tracks.
2. Place your VST instrument in one MIDI track.
3. Place Reason Rack Plugin in other MIDI track.
4. In the MIDI track with your VST instrument, set "MIDI from" to Reason Rack. Set "Input Channel" to Reason Rack. Set "Monitor" to IN. Like so:
5. Load up Scales and Chords in the Rack plugin and you're done.
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