I guess they will add more or new Rack Extension in Suite 12, which will not be in the standard Version of Reason. This would mean, that the Upgrade from Suite 11 to Suite 12 will cost more than 129 EUR. Maybe I will not be interested in this new REs, than I see the risk, that I have to pay a higher Upgrade price as normal.Lempface wrote: ↑25 Sep 2019What makes you think Suite -> Suite upgrade would be $249? Standard to Suite is $249 so surely Suite to Suite will be less.riemac wrote: ↑25 Sep 2019I‘m asking me what happens with future updates of Reason, when I upgrade now to Reason 11 Suite.
Will I be locked in a Suite update path and have to pay for every update now 249 EUR?
Or is it still possible to Upgrade to a future standard version of Reason for 129 EUR?
It would be good if the ReasonStudios Team could answere this question. I think it would be good for every one to know this befor making a decission.
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At the moment the Suite is nothing more than rig bundle, yes the rigs are update (hence Rig 4) but the product manager of RS said there are no plans to do the same for the Suite. So to answer your question you will be able to update to Reason 12 at the price they set at the time, which one hopes will still be $129.Lempface wrote: ↑25 Sep 2019What makes you think Suite -> Suite upgrade would be $249? Standard to Suite is $249 so surely Suite to Suite will be less.riemac wrote: ↑25 Sep 2019I‘m asking me what happens with future updates of Reason, when I upgrade now to Reason 11 Suite.
Will I be locked in a Suite update path and have to pay for every update now 249 EUR?
Or is it still possible to Upgrade to a future standard version of Reason for 129 EUR?
It would be good if the ReasonStudios Team could answere this question. I think it would be good for every one to know this befor making a decission.
If Reason 11 Suite sells well then one would expect to see a Reason 12 Suite... At the same time I wonder if RS will be making that many more RE's as who will now buy them knowing that they will be given away in a Suite or Free in the next version...
How is this any different from Native Instruments and their Komplete series? They seem to manage.Carly(Poohbear) wrote: ↑25 Sep 2019At the moment the Suite is nothing more than rig bundle, yes the rigs are update (hence Rig 4) but the product manager of RS said there are no plans to do the same for the Suite. So to answer your question you will be able to update to Reason 12 at the price they set at the time, which one hopes will still be $129.
If Reason 11 Suite sells well then one would expect to see a Reason 12 Suite... At the same time I wonder if RS will be making that many more RE's as who will now buy them knowing that they will be given away in a Suite or Free in the next version...
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What's that got to do with the price of fish?Lempface wrote: ↑25 Sep 2019How is this any different from Native Instruments and their Komplete series? They seem to manage.Carly(Poohbear) wrote: ↑25 Sep 2019
At the moment the Suite is nothing more than rig bundle, yes the rigs are update (hence Rig 4) but the product manager of RS said there are no plans to do the same for the Suite. So to answer your question you will be able to update to Reason 12 at the price they set at the time, which one hopes will still be $129.
If Reason 11 Suite sells well then one would expect to see a Reason 12 Suite... At the same time I wonder if RS will be making that many more RE's as who will now buy them knowing that they will be given away in a Suite or Free in the next version...
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I really don't know what Reason Studios plans to do ~18 to 24 months from now with Reason 12 Suite. There are three ways I can see it working, each with its own problems:
A) There is a single upgrade to Reason 12, sold for $129 regardless of whether you have Suite or not. So if you bought Reason 11 Suite, you get a few more Rack Extensions that have been added to the Suite version of Reason 12 for the same price. However, Mattias has said elsewhere on this forum that Suite is a "one-time" purchase, so I don't think this will be the case.
B) There is an upgrade to Reason 12 standard for $129, and an upgrade to Reason 12 Suite for $249, just like with Reason 11. But this makes the Suite upgrade way less attractive to users who already own Suite, as they'll likely only get another 2-3 REs as opposed to the 16 they got with Reason 11 Suite.
C) There are three upgrades: Reason 12 upgrade for $129, Reason any version to Reason 12 Suite upgrade for $249, and Reason 11 Suite to Reason 12 suite for some other price, like maybe $179. Did that sound confusing? I don't think RS is going to want to further complicate the upgrade situation by adding additional SKUs.
Option A is certainly the simplest and nicest, but overall, it probably depends on how many new plugins are added to Suite for version 12.
A) There is a single upgrade to Reason 12, sold for $129 regardless of whether you have Suite or not. So if you bought Reason 11 Suite, you get a few more Rack Extensions that have been added to the Suite version of Reason 12 for the same price. However, Mattias has said elsewhere on this forum that Suite is a "one-time" purchase, so I don't think this will be the case.
B) There is an upgrade to Reason 12 standard for $129, and an upgrade to Reason 12 Suite for $249, just like with Reason 11. But this makes the Suite upgrade way less attractive to users who already own Suite, as they'll likely only get another 2-3 REs as opposed to the 16 they got with Reason 11 Suite.
C) There are three upgrades: Reason 12 upgrade for $129, Reason any version to Reason 12 Suite upgrade for $249, and Reason 11 Suite to Reason 12 suite for some other price, like maybe $179. Did that sound confusing? I don't think RS is going to want to further complicate the upgrade situation by adding additional SKUs.
Option A is certainly the simplest and nicest, but overall, it probably depends on how many new plugins are added to Suite for version 12.
I really don’t think it’s a big deal to add more SKUs, iZotope has a ton of ways to upgrade or crossgrade all with different prices and they seem to manage.fieldframe wrote: ↑25 Sep 2019I really don't know what Reason Studios plans to do ~18 to 24 months from now with Reason 12 Suite. There are three ways I can see it working, each with its own problems:
A) There is a single upgrade to Reason 12, sold for $129 regardless of whether you have Suite or not. So if you bought Reason 11 Suite, you get a few more Rack Extensions that have been added to the Suite version of Reason 12 for the same price. However, Mattias has said elsewhere on this forum that Suite is a "one-time" purchase, so I don't think this will be the case.
B) There is an upgrade to Reason 12 standard for $129, and an upgrade to Reason 12 Suite for $249, just like with Reason 11. But this makes the Suite upgrade way less attractive to users who already own Suite, as they'll likely only get another 2-3 REs as opposed to the 16 they got with Reason 11 Suite.
C) There are three upgrades: Reason 12 upgrade for $129, Reason any version to Reason 12 Suite upgrade for $249, and Reason 11 Suite to Reason 12 suite for some other price, like maybe $179. Did that sound confusing? I don't think RS is going to want to further complicate the upgrade situation by adding additional SKUs.
Option A is certainly the simplest and nicest, but overall, it probably depends on how many new plugins are added to Suite for version 12.
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Did anyone get an answer for upgrading to Reason Suite. I brought Reason 11 and now want to buy the Suite. It doesn't seem right that it would cost me the entire 250 vs 129. If I buy Reason Suite for 250 then I would have spent $379 for Upgrade first then buying the Suite after. I guess the only logical thing to do is return the reason 11 upgrade then buy the Suite.
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currently if you want to go from Standard to Suite, unfortunately they’re going to charge you the full $250. I’m pretty sure I saw (what I think is) Mattias state on the Reasoners Reddit forum that there’s the possibility they might consider what he called a “crossgrade”, eventually, but I wasn’t able to find it in my 60 seconds of searching.ltbrunt00 wrote: ↑28 Sep 2019Did anyone get an answer for upgrading to Reason Suite. I brought Reason 11 and now want to buy the Suite. It doesn't seem right that it would cost me the entire 250 vs 129. If I buy Reason Suite for 250 then I would have spent $379 for Upgrade first then buying the Suite after. I guess the only logical thing to do is return the reason 11 upgrade then buy the Suite.
so, I’m guessing they’ll *probably* get around to it eventually, but unless you want to roll the dice, I’d say save yourself the headache, and just get the refund and upgrade to the Suite.
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I'm holding off on upgrading until someone at Propellerhead can confirm that we aren't locked out of buying standard non-Suite upgrades of future versions of Reason if we upgrade to Reason 11 Suite. And if we aren't, will we lose the Reason 11 Suite instruments if we decide to upgrade to the standard non-Suite version of a future version of Reason?
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For real...Carpainter wrote: ↑28 Sep 2019I'm holding off on upgrading until someone at Propellerhead can confirm that we aren't locked out of buying standard non-Suite upgrades of future versions of Reason if we upgrade to Reason 11 Suite. And if we aren't, will we lose the Reason 11 Suite instruments if we decide to upgrade to the standard non-Suite version of a future version of Reason?
The Suite if you don't own Reason 11 and you are upgrading is like buying an Upgrade + a Rig.
All devices are yours period.
When Reason 12 comes out you can just upgrade to that, there are no plans for another suite, but with Reason Studios never say never.
I really don't understand the issues here, even though I am quite skeptical about Reason 11 in general. I mean, seriously... you get some awesome devices at a severely good discount. Someone up there (sorry, forgot your name) mentioned the dad that bought into this and... Well.. <raises hand>.
After I upgraded to Reason 10 I did what I wanted to do for such a long time and I nabbed several RE's. Basically... almost everything the Props had. And then Suite launched
But honestly you guys... Yes, the Props have turned into 'money hungries' who are walking a thin line between an honest business and a fraud. In my opinion, and the only reason I say so is because the all new & flashy Reason Studios high profiled website will easily allow you to purchase the exact same product several times. For the full price of course.... Honestly? I don't see this business model last very long without some serious improvements on the website.
Back ontopic... You guys honestly get some seriously good deals. Now, some stuff is plain out overpriced (in my opinion of course) but Complex-1 (99), Parsec (119 (IMO this should have been the other way around)), Drum kits (99 (overpriced if you ask me, but so darn usefull!)) and Layers (another 99).
This stuff alone is already worth it if you ask me. Add in some interesting piano keys (yes, piano may sound dull but do think out of the box and keep all the interesting effects in mind... Piano is actually a good sound for a sound design foundation) and all of a sudden...
Besides.. why all this talk about upgrading? As soon as the dev. releases the next major version of the RE you're out of luck anyway because you don't get any free upgrades nor discounts there. Heck... Reason studios themselves will happily showcase v2 of a rack extension while selling v1 in a rig (they do seem to correct this if you ask about this weirdness).
But with that having said.. why worry about upgrades at all? My advice would be to seriously keep the option in mind that your RE's will move onto the next version and you get to purchase them all over again. That's what I did when I bought the rigs and well... I am happy with Reason 10 and the ton of RE's I got (Synapse & Softube for the win!) and I might be tempted to upgrade again when Reason 15 comes out. Honestly? I have a hard time believing that's going to happen right now.
After I upgraded to Reason 10 I did what I wanted to do for such a long time and I nabbed several RE's. Basically... almost everything the Props had. And then Suite launched
But honestly you guys... Yes, the Props have turned into 'money hungries' who are walking a thin line between an honest business and a fraud. In my opinion, and the only reason I say so is because the all new & flashy Reason Studios high profiled website will easily allow you to purchase the exact same product several times. For the full price of course.... Honestly? I don't see this business model last very long without some serious improvements on the website.
Back ontopic... You guys honestly get some seriously good deals. Now, some stuff is plain out overpriced (in my opinion of course) but Complex-1 (99), Parsec (119 (IMO this should have been the other way around)), Drum kits (99 (overpriced if you ask me, but so darn usefull!)) and Layers (another 99).
This stuff alone is already worth it if you ask me. Add in some interesting piano keys (yes, piano may sound dull but do think out of the box and keep all the interesting effects in mind... Piano is actually a good sound for a sound design foundation) and all of a sudden...
Besides.. why all this talk about upgrading? As soon as the dev. releases the next major version of the RE you're out of luck anyway because you don't get any free upgrades nor discounts there. Heck... Reason studios themselves will happily showcase v2 of a rack extension while selling v1 in a rig (they do seem to correct this if you ask about this weirdness).
But with that having said.. why worry about upgrades at all? My advice would be to seriously keep the option in mind that your RE's will move onto the next version and you get to purchase them all over again. That's what I did when I bought the rigs and well... I am happy with Reason 10 and the ton of RE's I got (Synapse & Softube for the win!) and I might be tempted to upgrade again when Reason 15 comes out. Honestly? I have a hard time believing that's going to happen right now.
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No, from the FAQ.
Can I upgrade directly from Reason Intro/Reason Lite to Reason Suite?
No, but you can upgrade your Reason Intro or Reason Lite license directly to Reason 11 and then, if you want, upgrade Reason 11 to Reason 11 Suite.
But you can check yourself by logging in and seeing what option they offer you..
https://www.reasonstudios.com/en/reason/buy
It would be great if they change their minds but it isn't by any means bound to happen. Native Instruments are the same, there is no lower price Komplete 12 to Komplete 12 Ultimate upgrade path, you pay the same price as anyone upgrading from Komplete 11.
Yeah looking at that I’d need to pay the R1-10 upgrade to suite fee in full. No way is it fair for someone who’s just paid £200+ for the Lite upgrade to pay another £229 for the Suite upgrade when it’s just over £100 more for everyone else. I’ll wait.Carly(Poohbear) wrote: ↑29 Sep 2019No, from the FAQ.
Can I upgrade directly from Reason Intro/Reason Lite to Reason Suite?
No, but you can upgrade your Reason Intro or Reason Lite license directly to Reason 11 and then, if you want, upgrade Reason 11 to Reason 11 Suite.
But you can check yourself by logging in and seeing what option they offer you..
https://www.reasonstudios.com/en/reason/buy
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It's totally fair as you are looking at it from the wrong angle, if you have it the way you want it, it would not be fair on everyone else who had brought Reason in the past.gunark wrote: ↑30 Sep 2019Yeah looking at that I’d need to pay the R1-10 upgrade to suite fee in full. No way is it fair for someone who’s just paid £200+ for the Lite upgrade to pay another £229 for the Suite upgrade when it’s just over £100 more for everyone else. I’ll wait.Carly(Poohbear) wrote: ↑29 Sep 2019
No, from the FAQ.
Can I upgrade directly from Reason Intro/Reason Lite to Reason Suite?
No, but you can upgrade your Reason Intro or Reason Lite license directly to Reason 11 and then, if you want, upgrade Reason 11 to Reason 11 Suite.
But you can check yourself by logging in and seeing what option they offer you..
https://www.reasonstudios.com/en/reason/buy
Intro is not a cheaper route to get the full version, however saying that you are in fact getting a better deal than existing full customers and you think that's not fair?
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