Jagwah wrote: ↑23 Sep 2019
Sure more greener energy solutions would be great, no one could really dispute that. I have a feeling this is all going to be very expensive and the huge oil companies will just happen to be the ones providing the solutions, but that's just speculation.
Oh it will certainly be expensive, and it will certainly be a pain in everyone's arse, for sure. If the oil companies are the ones providing the solutions, that would be splendid. They've certainly prospered from destroying the climate, so it only makes sense that they provide the solution.
Jagwah wrote: ↑23 Sep 2019
Wow so now it's 97% of scientists :O Again I disagree with this one, regardless of the logic you believe is involved in attaining such an unattainable statistic.
It's always been 97% as far as I know, Jagwah (at least for the past decade). You can disagree all you want, but the science is real, proven, and factual. No media-induced fear-mongering required. But don't believe some bloke on an Internet music forum; do the research yourself. A cursory Google search will likely give you all the data you need.
Jagwah wrote: ↑23 Sep 2019
It's like the world is divided on this - with a larger amount in your favour right now sure - but to claim 97% of scientists are in agreement just doesn't help your argument. I hope you aren't limiting your information to mainstream media, that would be silly in this age of information, and I doubt you do but I do wonder with a quote like that.
When you say "the world is divided on this", what does that mean? The population at large? Or the scientific community? If it's the world at large, it's only divided due to political agenda, religious dogma, and plain old fashioned scientific ignorance. If it's the scientific community, then sorry friend - you're wrong on that. The scientific community is not divided at all. But if they were - there would be an acceptable counter-theory that would be presented. To my knowledge, there has not.
If you know of an acceptable counter-theory to "humans are causing climate change", then please share! You could be famous if the theory stands up to scientific scrutiny.
Jagwah wrote: ↑23 Sep 2019
Yes I do understand how science works. Usually there isn't a massive debate on 'whether the science is real or not' because these things are usually agreed on the world over, not debated to no end, and right there is a big question mark for lots of people. Why wasn't there an immediate consensus the world over, just like there would have been with your examples like 'smoking causes cancer' and pretty much anything else, and why would the fossil fuel companies really not care about killing the only planet they have (rhetorical)
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For starters, the only debate going on is between politicians who are ignorant (along with their supporting voter base), and the scientific community at large. Debate between us Plebes can be chalked up to a myriad of other reasons.
But to answer your question
why: MONEY. Everyone knows this isn't going to be cheap to fix, and the fossil fuel industry will cease to exist as we know it when it comes down to it.
Jagwah wrote: ↑23 Sep 2019
It's funny how this end of the world theory is in no way related to a 'conspiracy theory' simply because it is the media that pushes the issue.
So in short, I agree that being greener is a good thing for us and future generations, but I doubt there is a global emergency that will obviously require tons of money for whatever reason - mostly because I have lost faith in the fear machine media. I am also disappointed to see so many people passionately protesting something the media has pushed out, rather than an issue like I mentioned above.
You make a lot of assumptions that the media is solely to blame for the fear-mongering. I don't disagree to an extent, but why would you assume that those fearful of what's happening are
only getting their data from the news? Visit any accredited university that isn't backed by a church, and almost certainly the science curriculum will mention human-caused climate change and that it is an issue negatively affecting our planet (as well as teach core facts like evolution, but that's an entirely different thread). Hell, my kid's middle school - which is publically funded - even touches on the subject in science class! These are not academic institutions getting their data from CNN or The Guardian; they get their data from real research done by real academics.
boomer wrote: ↑23 Sep 2019
You wanna fix this? Let the scientists do it free from politicians, religious zealots, [and] well meaning ignorant people like you and me.
^^ THIS ^^
My knee-jerk reaction is to say: it takes a real "man" to make fun of a 16 year old girl with Aspergers just because you don't agree with her activism. But I'll refrain from saying that and just say: would people treat this kid differently if instead she was a middle aged white man who spoke less passionately? (side note: Greta Thunberg is a much better human than the vast majority of people who heckle her, I'd wager).
Also, posting a link to one scientist who disagrees does
not invalidate
an entire body of evidence that human-caused climate change is real, and a problem. But nice try!
Boombastix wrote: ↑24 Sep 2019
Are people implying that the warming of the Gulf and the stronger storms as a consequence is fake science, and that the wipe out of Bahamas were fake images?
Or the super hot temperatures in India causing drought and people starting to kill each other - for water? Is that fake?
For those people affected it is kind of "the end of the world" - at least for those who die, no!?
Will the trans-Atlantic Gulf stream re-route itself due to cold water flowing the opposite way due to melting ice - putting northern Europe into a north Canada climate (that is cold as f¤&ck, by the way)? We don't know until it happens, but scientist have warned it can happen, just as they warned for stronger storms... Still fake?
Drought/high temp/high winds causing big fires, isn't that a thing too, or just fake news (California/Sweden/Greece/Russia/Chile...)?
EXACTLY. THIS.
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