Announcing Reason 11

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Post 03 Sep 2019

10.9.5 needed lol
sticks dirty finger in wound... :lol:
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Post 03 Sep 2019

DougalDarkly wrote:
03 Sep 2019
diminished wrote:
03 Sep 2019
Smartypants, you've got 3 minutes to come up with a usage case for dry/wet on a gate other than what I thought of. Please make fun of me after you did!
Not even G8 has that and tbh I've never seen it before. Dry/wet on a gate. You?
OK - it's taken me a hell of a lot longer than 3 minutes, but on starting up a recent project I noticed that I've been doing the same thing with Pump RE:

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I'm going to put my smartypants back on now - might even get my clever-clogs out too! :P
Pump is not a gate in the classical sense, because it doesn't react dynamically to the amplitude of the incoming signal but rather follows a predefined envelope..
I know it says gate and it gates but it's not the gatey kind of gating, gat it?
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Post 03 Sep 2019

:)

In all seriousness, I'm looking forward to using it some time in the future and as sad as it may sound, beside the crossfades that's R11 strongest selling point for me.

Imagine a fixed loop, kick, snare and some shaka taka tik ksh ksh in the gaps and background.
At the moment, you can only automate the range knob of the gate to give "shaka taka tik ksh ksh" some variation in volume. You'd have to do it manually. With R11, you can hook up an LFO like Pulsar or Panda's Shape to the dry/wet knob and give that "shaka taka tik ksh ksh" some groove. Have another slow square LFO that offsets the first LFO from bar to bar... shorten ALL sounds / remove reverb (classical gate), go back to completely dry, and back again.. You've quadrupled the mileage you get out of just ONE drum loop..
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antic604

Post 04 Sep 2019

MattiasHG wrote:
03 Sep 2019
including Dry/Wet for the Dynamics and Compressor
That looks awesome, but PLEASE align those Dry/Wet knobs to be vertically on the same level with the rest of them.

And since you're adding stuff, how about that graphical display for the EQ? ;)
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Post 04 Sep 2019

Has anyone beta tested yet? Keep us in the loop. Maybe make some YouTube videos for us.
Everything is public so its cool with PH I hope.
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Post 04 Sep 2019

Last Alternative wrote:
04 Sep 2019
Has anyone beta tested yet? Keep us in the loop. Maybe make some YouTube videos for us.
Everything is public so its cool with PH I hope.
Mattias said not to post videos until beta is out of logging phase.
And I can understand it, because it can get slow or choppy at places.

But other than the issues that are already known publically (e.g. no MIDI out or keyboard focus in Rack VST) - it works great :)

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Post 04 Sep 2019

Gee it doesn't take much (dry / wet knob) to make people happy and change their minds. Especially when they feel they've contributed and are involved.

Kind of like how ExxonMobil spills thousands of tonnes of oil in the sea, the public is outraged, so they spend $5000 on swing set in a city park and everyone thinks they are saints all of a sudden.

If a dry / wet knob can be implemented in a day, why does it take fifteen years to get a marker in the sequencer (just a line really) with still no possible end in sight?

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Jagwah wrote:
04 Sep 2019
If a dry / wet knob can be implemented in a day, why does it take fifteen years to get a marker in the sequencer (just a line really) with still no possible end in sight?
My guess is because the SSL modules are REs written with a current SDK, whereas markers would require working in old code. Compared the sequencer upgrades in 10.2 and now in 11 seems like they're digging deeper into it, so hopefully we'll see more meaningful updates in 11.x and inevitably 12. I really don't want to stop using Reason the DAW.

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Post 04 Sep 2019

antic604 wrote:
04 Sep 2019
Mattias said not to post videos until beta is out of logging phase.
I think Reasonistas has a phase analyser RE for checking phases

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Post 04 Sep 2019

antic604 wrote:
04 Sep 2019
Jagwah wrote:
04 Sep 2019
If a dry / wet knob can be implemented in a day, why does it take fifteen years to get a marker in the sequencer (just a line really) with still no possible end in sight?
My guess is because the SSL modules are REs written with a current SDK, whereas markers would require working in old code. Compared the sequencer upgrades in 10.2 and now in 11 seems like they're digging deeper into it, so hopefully we'll see more meaningful updates in 11.x and inevitably 12. I really don't want to stop using Reason the DAW.
The SSL REs must be some kind of re-skin, the code was already there from the big mixer, just needed to be transformed / reformatted for the RE realm.

If old code is bogging down the progress of Reason as a DAW then that just sucks.

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Post 04 Sep 2019

Jagwah wrote:
04 Sep 2019
Gee it doesn't take much (dry / wet knob) to make people happy and change their minds. Especially when they feel they've contributed and are involved.

Kind of like how ExxonMobil spills thousands of tonnes of oil in the sea, the public is outraged, so they spend $5000 on swing set in a city park and everyone thinks they are saints all of a sudden.

If a dry / wet knob can be implemented in a day, why does it take fifteen years to get a marker in the sequencer (just a line really) with still no possible end in sight?
This. Wow a dry/wet knob!! :lol:

The pace of progress with Reason can only be described as glacial...
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Post 04 Sep 2019

Jagwah wrote:
04 Sep 2019

If old code is bogging down the progress of Reason as a DAW then that just sucks.
I don't think there has ever been any evidence of this. It is just one of those assumptions that goes around and around until it ends up being stated as fact.

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Post 04 Sep 2019

boingy wrote:
04 Sep 2019
Jagwah wrote:
04 Sep 2019

If old code is bogging down the progress of Reason as a DAW then that just sucks.
I don't think there has ever been any evidence of this. It is just one of those assumptions that goes around and around until it ends up being stated as fact.
Well, considering the just finished a major overhaul to fix the fixed buffer size, one could also say that Reason has the most up-date audio engine. Not that it matters really, it is rather, how well does it work, old or new code. Some of the odd bugs after this update were fixed quickly, so that to me sounds they know their way around the code quite well., but I just guess like everyone else...
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Post 04 Sep 2019

MattiasHG wrote:
03 Sep 2019
Secret ReasonTalk preview! Snuck in some updates on the mixer devices, including Dry/Wet for the Dynamics and Compressor and some updated labelling. Thanks for the feedback! :)
Feedback - action - delivery - BAM! If this is the NEW Reason way, then I'm happy :P This is called agility.
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antic604

Post 04 Sep 2019

Jagwah wrote:
04 Sep 2019
antic604 wrote:
04 Sep 2019
Mattias said not to post videos until beta is out of logging phase.
I think Reasonistas has a phase analyser RE for checking phases
It's not free and completely off-topic :)

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Post 04 Sep 2019

boingy wrote:
04 Sep 2019
Jagwah wrote:
04 Sep 2019

If old code is bogging down the progress of Reason as a DAW then that just sucks.
I don't think there has ever been any evidence of this. It is just one of those assumptions that goes around and around until it ends up being stated as fact.
Obviously I'm only basing my assumptions on what I see - 10.2 was mainly scripting of the actions users could do anyway (even multi-line editing had a hack to achieve it before 10.1), whereas 10.3 was already - much - deeper and 11.0 seems to follow that, this time in the sequencer part. It just *suggests* that working with old code was more difficult in the past. Perhaps they got more talented devs, found old documentation, or whatever. I'm saying this to appreciate progress, not to criticise them :) Past is the past.

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Post 04 Sep 2019

I think this thread will live on strong until the next R12 lol
GREAT conversation tho. It’s so nice to be able to share thoughts, good or bad. Reason is our passion and it would be torture to go thru life alone in this so shoutout to the good people running this website.
I’m still not upgrading this time tho! It’s a 1st for me
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Post 04 Sep 2019

Krell wrote:
04 Sep 2019
The pace of progress with Reason can only be described as glacial...
Yep. No upgrade for me either.

I have a feeling its over over for this application.

I wonder what will happen to all our REs ?

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Post 04 Sep 2019

dannyF wrote:
04 Sep 2019
I have a feeling its over over for this application.

I wonder what will happen to all our REs ?
this statement makes no sense whatsoever. the question makes even less, somehow.

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04 Sep 2019
Yep. No upgrade for me either.

I have a feeling its over over for this application.

I wonder what will happen to all our REs ?
That is a very good question. Anyone who actually bought extensions should be thinking about that.

I'm just going to dump the majority of my thoughts as one mega-rant. Feel free to skip if that's not your thing.

I should also say up front that I don't use Reason anymore. I debugged the remaining quirks in my control surfaces recently, so I had to open the app to do that. But I find the app so defiantly contrarian to getting work done in the way I want to work that I just close it without writing anything. That out of the way, here we go.

In the event that RS gets in enough trouble that they can't continue operating, what would happen to everyone's investment? If they released a final patch to deactivate their authentication, this would also effectively remove the purchase confirmation of their DLC. Everyone would equally have full access to every unit ever listed in the shop. But, in order to actually have those units, you have to download them from the servers. The servers are already rather anemic when downloading a new update, let alone a lot of devices. So the traffic jams of people trying to grab devices before the servers get taken offline would mean everyone loses. Then once the servers are yanked because there's no capital to keep them running, what you have is what you managed to download. Also, you could never uninstall your copy or you would effectively wipe all of those devices from it. That also goes for transferring to a new computer, etc. Obviously you could technically do it in some way, the files would be there, but it would require a lot of DIY technical stuff with no guarantee of success. Plus, if RS were to close shop, that puts all of the third party people out of work as well.

It's a bit of an all encompassing mess.

I have never purchased a single RE because when they announced the format it sounded like a desperate move to shore up the brand while deflecting away from much needed improvements to the core product. Also, I didn't have faith in the future of the company and didn't like the way any of their modules sounded after hearing what other hosts were providing out of the box. I only upgraded to 9.5 because I would be able to collaborate with someone I wanted to work with, but considering most of that never ended up taking place I actually regret the purchase. But I'm not the only one.

Right now, every video I can find about the announced 11 update is portraying it for what it objectively is: "not that much is new, the changes are too little too late, and/or the only reason I'll buy it is so I'm not out the money I put into the extensions." They're not buying the spin.

A general storm cloud of being unimpressed, confused, betrayed, concerned, indifferent, or having already moved on a long time ago is brewing across KVR, Reddit, this forum, and even places I can't talk about. It's universal at this point; everywhere you look. I have never seen this community so singularly unified in its rejection of a brand direction for PH/RS as I have this past couple of weeks -- with the exception of when the PUF first closed.

So, given all of these things piling up, those heavily invested in RE should be thinking about this rather carefully and should be invested in what the future holds. I don't think it's a matter of "at least I can salvage my spending by getting 11", but a matter of "how can this product be saved when everyone leaves".

Take a breath and imagine Verdane's perspective.

This product is 20 years old, basically. Things look, feel, and sound "old" as some have said. I agree. Many who used to use it and even some who developed for it have left. Business partnerships have fizzled out over and over to the point that ReWire, a format the company helped pioneer, has been completely deprecated in favor of Ableton Link.

Providing a VST wrapper for the rack is a bold move, but that has some serious flaws too. The use of the rack in any modern DAW currently presents an immediate halt to progress in a track when compared to the tools and workflow that exist in those packages. Tedious cabling that is mandatory to accomplish any sound design, or manual parameter adjustments that have no text input of values, unscaled rasterized graphics that are (in some cases) the same as when they first appeared on Windows 98, and so on. These are things that are limitations to how a person works instead of limitations to how a person creates.

In the time that phones have gone from XT9 Nokia bricks to all-glass Samsung waterproof smartphones, and visual displays have gone from leaded glass beige CRTs that weigh 100 lbs to feather light flat screens you can hang on your wall, and the internet has gone from barely broadband to broadband wifi, and batteries have gone from charging all day to 40W fast charging... the stock devices carried over from the first four releases of Reason have not changed at all.

With those other products, you know what you're purchasing because the value is clearly there. Things are improving and changing, sometimes in innovative or distinctive ways. Backward compatibility is great and all, but do you really want or need to take 20 years to finish songs? It's nice, but impractical and underscores the fact that Reason is meant for people who never intend to finish anything, while other more modern packages are used by people intent on publishing their work.

Imagine making calls on a phone that didn't prioritize clear communication, or seeing visuals on a display that didn't care about refresh rate or color accuracy. A product that knows it's just kinda sorta a thing, like shoes without soles -- meant for standing, not walking -- and likes it that way. But I digress.

I can pretty much guarantee that the first wave of major complaints will be from users of other DAWs saying they're seeing a massive hit in their song project performance when the rack is loaded in. If history has taught us anything, it's that the optimization is total garbage.

All of this stuff can be debated, of course, and I know people will. But the subjectivity of the music a person creates has to be separated from the objectivity of what the product of Reason is when comparing with other packages that it can now be loaded directly into.

Simply put, Reason will not stack up to what is out there. It will get eaten alive. People who explore other hosts will eventually grow to see all the stuff they bought in RE format to be effectively obsolete once they master their new tools. Not everyone, but a lot of people will eventually get to that point.

People will lose their investments anyway. Whether they take it along or not.

But back to Verdane's perspective. Look at everything that's going on, look at these challenges facing the brand image and the product at its objective face value for what it is in these modern times, then pretend you're one of those VC guys and ask yourself "who would want to buy this to take it off my hands".

You're not buying the name, just look at the state of the reputation right now. Plus, the name people know is being retired. That would be the only reason to purchase it, knowing full well that you will have to pour a ton of funding into bringing the idea behind the product up to speed with what's out there. It's a non-starter. Now, purchasing it is purely an investment in taking on a lot of distrust, bad blood, ill will, etc., and who wants to deal with that.

I think that Verdane is holding a lemon and I think by how rushed this announcement has been it signals an even bigger rush to sell. PH had 20 years and did nothing. I think Verdane is just as unimpressed as everyone else. The name change is damage control so the buyer will be more receptive to the unfamiliar brand name. Just my analysis.

What will happen to all the stuff people bought from the shop, indeed.

How about: where has all of you guys' and gals' money been going this whole time? How about that one.

That's the question driving so many to say "thanks, I think I will leave". And that's terrific!
Only by getting out of a bad relationship can you begin to heal. I can't wait to hear all the music people will actually finish in their next DAW(s) of choice! Seriously, I really am happy about everyone branching out and moving on. (You know who you are)

The good thing is everybody can make their own choices and think how they want. This has all been what I think so I'm done talking about it now.
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Post 04 Sep 2019

Raveshaper wrote:
04 Sep 2019
dannyF wrote:
04 Sep 2019
Yep. No upgrade for me either.

I have a feeling its over over for this application.

I wonder what will happen to all our REs ?
That is a very good question. Anyone who actually bought extensions should be thinking about that.

I'm just going to dump the majority of my thoughts as one mega-rant. Feel free to skip if that's not your thing.

I should also say up front that I don't use Reason anymore. I debugged the remaining quirks in my control surfaces recently, so I had to open the app to do that. But I find the app so defiantly contrarian to getting work done in the way I want to work that I just close it without writing anything. That out of the way, here we go.

In the event that RS gets in enough trouble that they can't continue operating, what would happen to everyone's investment? If they released a final patch to deactivate their authentication, this would also effectively remove the purchase confirmation of their DLC. Everyone would equally have full access to every unit ever listed in the shop. But, in order to actually have those units, you have to download them from the servers. The servers are already rather anemic when downloading a new update, let alone a lot of devices. So the traffic jams of people trying to grab devices before the servers get taken offline would mean everyone loses. Then once the servers are yanked because there's no capital to keep them running, what you have is what you managed to download. Also, you could never uninstall your copy or you would effectively wipe all of those devices from it. That also goes for transferring to a new computer, etc. Obviously you could technically do it in some way, the files would be there, but it would require a lot of DIY technical stuff with no guarantee of success. Plus, if RS were to close shop, that puts all of the third party people out of work as well.

It's a bit of an all encompassing mess.

I have never purchased a single RE because when they announced the format it sounded like a desperate move to shore up the brand while deflecting away from much needed improvements to the core product. Also, I didn't have faith in the future of the company and didn't like the way any of their modules sounded after hearing what other hosts were providing out of the box. I only upgraded to 9.5 because I would be able to collaborate with someone I wanted to work with, but considering most of that never ended up taking place I actually regret the purchase. But I'm not the only one.

Right now, every video I can find about the announced 11 update is portraying it for what it objectively is: "not that much is new, the changes are too little too late, and/or the only reason I'll buy it is so I'm not out the money I put into the extensions." They're not buying the spin.

A general storm cloud of being unimpressed, confused, betrayed, concerned, indifferent, or having already moved on a long time ago is brewing across KVR, Reddit, this forum, and even places I can't talk about. It's universal at this point; everywhere you look. I have never seen this community so singularly unified in its rejection of a brand direction for PH/RS as I have this past couple of weeks -- with the exception of when the PUF first closed.

So, given all of these things piling up, those heavily invested in RE should be thinking about this rather carefully and should be invested in what the future holds. I don't think it's a matter of "at least I can salvage my spending by getting 11", but a matter of "how can this product be saved when everyone leaves".

Take a breath and imagine Verdane's perspective.

This product is 20 years old, basically. Things look, feel, and sound "old" as some have said. I agree. Many who used to use it and even some who developed for it have left. Business partnerships have fizzled out over and over to the point that ReWire, a format the company helped pioneer, has been completely deprecated in favor of Ableton Link.

Providing a VST wrapper for the rack is a bold move, but that has some serious flaws too. The use of the rack in any modern DAW currently presents an immediate halt to progress in a track when compared to the tools and workflow that exist in those packages. Tedious cabling that is mandatory to accomplish any sound design, or manual parameter adjustments that have no text input of values, unscaled rasterized graphics that are (in some cases) the same as when they first appeared on Windows 98, and so on. These are things that are limitations to how a person works instead of limitations to how a person creates.

In the time that phones have gone from XT9 Nokia bricks to all-glass Samsung waterproof smartphones, and visual displays have gone from leaded glass beige CRTs that weigh 100 lbs to feather light flat screens you can hang on your wall, and the internet has gone from barely broadband to broadband wifi, and batteries have gone from charging all day to 40W fast charging... the stock devices carried over from the first four releases of Reason have not changed at all.

With those other products, you know what you're purchasing because the value is clearly there. Things are improving and changing, sometimes in innovative or distinctive ways. Backward compatibility is great and all, but do you really want or need to take 20 years to finish songs? It's nice, but impractical and underscores the fact that Reason is meant for people who never intend to finish anything, while other more modern packages are used by people intent on publishing their work.

Imagine making calls on a phone that didn't prioritize clear communication, or seeing visuals on a display that didn't care about refresh rate or color accuracy. A product that knows it's just kinda sorta a thing, like shoes without soles -- meant for standing, not walking -- and likes it that way. But I digress.

I can pretty much guarantee that the first wave of major complaints will be from users of other DAWs saying they're seeing a massive hit in their song project performance when the rack is loaded in. If history has taught us anything, it's that the optimization is total garbage.

All of this stuff can be debated, of course, and I know people will. But the subjectivity of the music a person creates has to be separated from the objectivity of what the product of Reason is when comparing with other packages that it can now be loaded directly into.

Simply put, Reason will not stack up to what is out there. It will get eaten alive. People who explore other hosts will eventually grow to see all the stuff they bought in RE format to be effectively obsolete once they master their new tools. Not everyone, but a lot of people will eventually get to that point.

People will lose their investments anyway. Whether they take it along or not.

But back to Verdane's perspective. Look at everything that's going on, look at these challenges facing the brand image and the product at its objective face value for what it is in these modern times, then pretend you're one of those VC guys and ask yourself "who would want to buy this to take it off my hands".

You're not buying the name, just look at the state of the reputation right now. Plus, the name people know is being retired. That would be the only reason to purchase it, knowing full well that you will have to pour a ton of funding into bringing the idea behind the product up to speed with what's out there. It's a non-starter. Now, purchasing it is purely an investment in taking on a lot of distrust, bad blood, ill will, etc., and who wants to deal with that.

I think that Verdane is holding a lemon and I think by how rushed this announcement has been it signals an even bigger rush to sell. PH had 20 years and did nothing. I think Verdane is just as unimpressed as everyone else. The name change is damage control so the buyer will be more receptive to the unfamiliar brand name. Just my analysis.

What will happen to all the stuff people bought from the shop, indeed.

How about: where has all of you guys' and gals' money been going this whole time? How about that one.

That's the question driving so many to say "thanks, I think I will leave". And that's terrific!
Only by getting out of a bad relationship can you begin to heal. I can't wait to hear all the music people will actually finish in their next DAW(s) of choice! Seriously, I really am happy about everyone branching out and moving on. (You know who you are)

The good thing is everybody can make their own choices and think how they want. This has all been what I think so I'm done talking about it now.

That´s a dark but throughout analysis. I really hope it is too dark to become true. The doubt on my behalf in this R11 announcement is that this change of name and logo and the release of Rack Plugin as main focus for R11, is all synced and thus seem to lean more on supporting the hypothesis you bring to the table. It may be a clueless misstake and just a "we did not mean it like that, we have big things but they are not ready to launch just yet, but just wanted to start off the R11 cycle and don´t let users wait no more as the leak was already out"

If this changing of name and logo came synced with a mind blowing massive uplifting of the whole Reason DAW, then it would signal that "count on us, we are having confidence and strong faith in our flagship". Many would want to get onboard such a venture. And if introducing Rack Plugin at same time would just strengthen this confidence and faith as of "We so much believe in the potential of this wonderful platform that we dare to open up freedom for the users to collaborate with other strong and interesting DAWs on the block."

But this way it now comes off gets a bit uncertain and weak impression. Many take is as "put on the life jackets and book a seat in nearest lifeboat". And the midi note improvements are not enough to convince anyone. The Mixer is packed into the Rack already, left are the sequencer, which I happen to like. But it gets a bit side stepped.

But the overall R11 with point updates will show the direction. I think much focus will go into the Rack Plugin onward. Will there be a R12? If so, it really has to blow all minds out of the window. If I had the resources, I would lift Reason DAW up to its potential, so even if RS gets sold along the road, I at least hope it is to an owner who are indeed seeing the hidden treasure in Reason platform and putting in the extra effort. So, there is no definite ending even if it would be sold off to another company. If not, maybe it will end up as the most powerful Open Source DAW. :)
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Post 04 Sep 2019

I know the first things I would do if I thought my software company was about to go under would be to name a new CEO, change the brand name, and release a brand new version.

:lol:

people have been saying Reason is on the verge of extinction for many years now. they’re doing just fine.

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