Guess the beta release date for Reason 10.3 ...

[moneykube]

update on vst progress wuyld be like expected... um no?
fix eack optimization... don't need vst

[moneykube]

andthen the bugs... tne bugs... aaak... critters of ai world augmenting reality in bad waya ,,,, back to poppy

[ProfessaKaos]

Sad state of affairs - i have actually started using Logic - i have way to much work on to be waiting for Reason to sort their act out. Ive been using Reason for about 15 years now and if they supported VST's from the get go like all the other DAWS from back in the day we wouldnt be in this hot mess. This update has to be pretty damn special like better than Logic and Reaper or else i wont be using Reason again. Also SO MANY things need to be added to Reason like all the chaps have mentioned in this post.

Its sad because i see a lot of vids online about production etc and they always mention Logic, Ableton, Pro Tools, sometimes Reaper but Reason as a professional DAW never gets a mention, its just telling you Reason has a long long long way to go to catch up to all the other DAWS so its on the lips of the so called professional world.

I do hope this update smashes all the other DAWS out of the water in terms of VST Performance and so so so much more, i mean like simple things that shouldve been added 10-12 years ago...i feel this update will be make or break time for props...

To reason or not to reason now that will be the question for so many...thanks for reading my rant lol.

You are not alone. I'm so close to jumping to Ableton as I spend most of my time in frustration and anger trying to mix (and further produce) in Reason. It is so hard to finish a mix without Reason crapping itself. I have 40 plus songs I'm trying to mix, they have been put on hold. I hope the update brings performance to be on par with Reaper or Logic. Would be a dream.

[Oquasec]

I think it's about time I reset windows myself.

[PhillipOrdonez]

Sad state of affairs - i have actually started using Logic - i have way to much work on to be waiting for Reason to sort their act out. Ive been using Reason for about 15 years now and if they supported VST's from the get go like all the other DAWS from back in the day we wouldnt be in this hot mess. This update has to be pretty damn special like better than Logic and Reaper or else i wont be using Reason again. Also SO MANY things need to be added to Reason like all the chaps have mentioned in this post.

Its sad because i see a lot of vids online about production etc and they always mention Logic, Ableton, Pro Tools, sometimes Reaper but Reason as a professional DAW never gets a mention, its just telling you Reason has a long long long way to go to catch up to all the other DAWS so its on the lips of the so called professional world.

I do hope this update smashes all the other DAWS out of the water in terms of VST Performance and so so so much more, i mean like simple things that shouldve been added 10-12 years ago...i feel this update will be make or break time for props...

To reason or not to reason now that will be the question for so many...thanks for reading my rant lol.

You are not alone. I'm so close to jumping to Ableton as I spend most of my time in frustration and anger trying to mix (and further produce) in Reason. It is so hard to finish a mix without Reason crapping itself. I have 40 plus songs I'm trying to mix, they have been put on hold. I hope the update brings performance to be on par with Reaper or Logic. Would be a dream.

I've been mixing in reaper for a couple of years (whenever projects get too out of hand for Reason) and due to other aspects of my job, been back at Ableton several hours a day as well (things Reason cannot do) and recently got a Maschine so been using the software a lot, but I don't consider those things "jumping". I'll never ever stop using Reason. It is my music making program no matter what I do outside of it. If I can completely stop using reaper for l mixing and just do it within reason, that will be great, but having to do that was never making me want to, or consider to, "stop using Reason", or "jump to -insert daw name here".

[PrivatePartsUK]

I hear and understand all your points, its how ever you see and feel fit to work, thats your creative choice.

For me i build EVERYTHING in Reason (well i use to lol) so when you build everything you have a work flow and a creative process which im sure we all know of being IN THE ZONE, when im in the zone im on a mission and everything needs to run more than efficiently, when you have Reason saying silly things like your mac is too slow with only a few plugins here and there when you know your macs not it stops the divine creative flow going anywhere.

I dont want to have to go to other DAWS to do different things, whats the point in that when a DAW is meant to do everything in it like making / producing a full track?

I hear and see a lot of people here dont really use VST's but i see a lot of people like myself do, either way Reason needs to step up to the plate and its not hard as with technology today so many things can be achieved. It sucks that we had to wait this long but i dont mind that if the update is WELL WORTH WAITING FOR and yes they really need to sort the graphics out, i mean Reason looks dated compared to Logic.

Also something i noticed with Reason and Audio Interface integration even that is terrible! I know so as when i use my Audio Interface with Logic it sails through and the latency is on point but in Reason its a joke, like a bad bad joke, cracking like im opening a packet of crisps???

To Reason or not to Reaper...that is the quest

[jappe]

Maybe someone can benefit from the workaround that helped me:
I ditched my old template I normally use as a song starter.
I always ended up with heavy DSP for only a few used tracks.
Starting from the beginning I can have the same number of active tracks with only 1 bar of DSP since the idle/non-used devices isn't there to steal DSP.

Also, when starting over, I inserted simple EQs for simpler things instead of some heavy-DSP EQ.

[Creativemind]

You mean inspiring.

Perspiring.

Reason gonna make you sweat, sweat till you can't sweat no more.

[PhillipOrdonez]

Perspiring.

Reason gonna make you sweat, sweat till you can't sweat no more.

And if you cry out...

[Creativemind]

Reason gonna make you sweat, sweat till you can't sweat no more.

And if you cry out...

[MattiasHG]

I'm guessing... now! https://www.propellerheads.com/blog/rea ... ow-in-beta

[Loque]

Sneaky... Now I need to get up off the couch...

Nice... Possible performance improvement also without VST...

[guitfnky]

nice!

“Reason’s VST performance is on par with other DAWs on the market.”

and will improve performance even without using VSTs!

[ProfessaKaos]

I'm guessing... now! https://www.propellerheads.com/blog/rea ... ow-in-beta

Best guess so far

[eusti]

[Arrant]

Finally! Sign me up!

[jappe]

"And as a nice bonus, it improves performance if you're not using VSTs too! "

Thanks for the bonus feature!!

[Kalm]

Whelp, we can stop crying now

[motuscott]

Mattias you insider.
I was going to guess, March 15, 2019, 10:10 a.m.

[QVprod]

I'm guessing... now! https://www.propellerheads.com/blog/rea ... ow-in-beta

Good one!

[Ad0]

If this beta is performance testing, isn't excessive logging that slows down performance kinda counter-productive? Or is it a standard message in the beta test?

[MattiasHG]

If this beta is performance testing, isn't excessive logging that slows down performance kinda counter-productive? Or is it a standard message in the beta test?

One would think that, but without logging we'll have a MUCH harder time finding potential bugs introduced as part of this re-work. Yes, we've improved performance but we also want to know we didn't break anything. Therefore we'll start testing with logging to catch proper bugs (you can turn the changes on/off to see differences still!) and then after a while we'll also release the non-logging for proper performance testing.

[esselfortium]

If this beta is performance testing, isn't excessive logging that slows down performance kinda counter-productive? Or is it a standard message in the beta test?

That is a bit confusing, yeah. If it's not a mistake, then I suppose it would be because they're satisfied with the results they've seen for the performance enhancements and are just wanting to make sure that there are no other surprise issues introduced as a result of all the code changes.

edit: Aha, Mattias beat me to it!

[Ad0]

One would think that, but without logging we'll have a MUCH harder time finding potential bugs introduced as part of this re-work. Yes, we've improved performance but we also want to know we didn't break anything. Therefore we'll start testing with logging to catch proper bugs (you can turn the changes on/off to see differences still!) and then after a while we'll also release the non-logging for proper performance testing.

Thank you for the clarification. Seems reasonable! Hope I can get to beta test (yes I applied)

So first round is stability and 2nd round is performance.

[PhillipOrdonez]

Woohoo! This is fantastisk!