Reason 9.5 & above CPU Stress Tests (2017, two different songfiles included)!
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Home built Z370 Rig cost me about £930 ($1200) all in
CPU model (Intel i7 8700k, OC 4.7 Ghz) I may test again without the OC as I have heard conflicting stories about the effects it has with apps like Reason
Also back in the R5 days they advised you to set everything to performance in windows and optimise apps for background services which I haven't done.
Out of interest I gave the windows background and optimisation a try and it actually made the performance worse on the benchmark
16GB DDR4 2400 RAM
No Audio Card ( I have a Saffire6 USB but it sucks so I have my Onkyo Amp and speakers hooked up via HDMI from the GPU Card (GTX 1060 6GB)
NVIDIA HD Audio 44,100 buffer 8,192 samples
95% CPU
RE ----> (20.930 Seconds)
Simple FX Chain ----> (1minute 25.782 seconds )
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Not sure what conflicting stories you've heard, but overclocking a CPU - especially in Reason - almost always yields better results than a stock clock. This is assuming you're overclocking properly...Socialnotworking wrote: ↑24 Aug 2018(Intel i7 8700k, OC 4.7 Ghz) I may test again without the OC as I have heard conflicting stories about the effects it has with apps like Reason
That said, try turning Hyperthreading off (or on). That, on the other hand, can change your performance drastically (YMMV).
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The two regularly sited complaints about OCs on DAWs are increased noise especially when using external interfaces to record audio into Reason and the challenge increased temperatures present to silent system design. DAW designers tend to want everything as cool and quiet as possible because the last thing you want is the sound of CPU fans ruining your delicate guitar or vocal track
I did run at various OC settings and the difference between 4.0ghz and 4.8ghz wasn't huge, it was way less than you would think on the 8700k.
One bit of advice I was given was to install R10 on a secondary SSD along with the patch collections as allegedly this does help load times for hypersamples.
Turning off HT in R10 reduced the performance whereas the biggest increase came from using the DX primary sound driver with 8k samples.
In the heavy test this increased time by 5 seconds over the Asio I use for the Saffire.
I did run at various OC settings and the difference between 4.0ghz and 4.8ghz wasn't huge, it was way less than you would think on the 8700k.
One bit of advice I was given was to install R10 on a secondary SSD along with the patch collections as allegedly this does help load times for hypersamples.
Turning off HT in R10 reduced the performance whereas the biggest increase came from using the DX primary sound driver with 8k samples.
In the heavy test this increased time by 5 seconds over the Asio I use for the Saffire.
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A cpu's clock has nothing to do with "noise" in a DAW, although some lower quality audio interfaces might have issues if their drivers (or hardware) are buggy. This is also often related to how your USB port handles system overclocks. Some behave better than others. Indeed, YMMV...Socialnotworking wrote: ↑25 Aug 2018The two regularly sited complaints about OCs on DAWs are increased noise especially when using external interfaces to record audio into Reason
True, depending on your cooling solution, your silent rig might have issues. That said, this is easily addressed in any small home recording studio. A simple mic filter (such as SE Electronics Reflexion series) can have a massive effect on room noise. I've had great success with this on my overclocked system. I've also made a small acoustically damped panel that I can sit in front of my PC if the noise bleeds into any live recordings. A little effort goes a long way.Socialnotworking wrote: ↑25 Aug 2018and the challenge increased temperatures present to silent system design. DAW designers tend to want everything as cool and quiet as possible because the last thing you want is the sound of CPU fans ruining your delicate guitar or vocal track
Indeed, YMMV. Overclocking from my stock 3.5 Ghz to 4.5 Ghz has shown massive improvements on my old 3770k.Socialnotworking wrote: ↑25 Aug 2018I did run at various OC settings and the difference between 4.0ghz and 4.8ghz wasn't huge, it was way less than you would think on the 8700k.
You're part of the way there. Installing Reason and any samples/refills/whatever on an SSD will speed up load times all around, not just on hypersmaples. More like - any samples. This is compared to older mechanical hard drives, of course. If you can install your OS on an SSD, you'll also have a massive speed increase over older mechanical drives. But if you're indeed running a true "silent system design", you already have SSD's. Right?Socialnotworking wrote: ↑25 Aug 2018One bit of advice I was given was to install R10 on a secondary SSD along with the patch collections as allegedly this does help load times for hypersamples.
Indeed, HT performance is hit or miss with Reason. In some instances, it improves performance noticeably on my system (usually with large projects that have complex instrument/effect chains and/or Combi tied to their own mix channels). But when I'm auditioning presets or just loading up one or two VST, if I turn HT off I get much better performance. Weird!Socialnotworking wrote: ↑25 Aug 2018Turning off HT in R10 reduced the performance whereas the biggest increase came from using the DX primary sound driver with 8k samples.
In the heavy test this increased time by 5 seconds over the Asio I use for the Saffire.
That said, you must use ASIO drivers in Reason if you want to record audio. DX sound is not acceptable for a serious pro recording setup. Latency is laughable.
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If I am honest I don't really care that much about achieving peak performance. I am interested in how its done but i use my DAW for photo editing and occasional music production and for my needs it works fine as it is. I started using Reason in 2008 and have been through lots of different hardware configurations but I don't spend that much time on music nowadays. I appreciate the rig could run better but personally I would get no more benefit for what I need. Yes I run a system and two storage SSDs and im air cooled because I get the results I need at relatively low OC speeds and didn't want the expense or added build complications. I only really went for the K because I wasn't sure if I was going to do an upgrade in the future for gaming but I probably won't. In my original post you will see i quoted the build cost which was way below what SCAN and others charge for the same spec ready built and I am pleased with the result. I am aware of the latency issues on the DX but that has no impact on the test result as I am not playing anything. When I am playing I always use the Asio. I really just wanted to share my results withing the context of my specific setup to help others considering their next rig.
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@SocialnotworkingSocialnotworking wrote: ↑25 Aug 2018The two regularly sited complaints about OCs on DAWs are increased noise especially when using external interfaces to record audio into Reason and the challenge increased temperatures present to silent system design. DAW designers tend to want everything as cool and quiet as possible because the last thing you want is the sound of CPU fans ruining your delicate guitar or vocal track
I did run at various OC settings and the difference between 4.0ghz and 4.8ghz wasn't huge, it was way less than you would think on the 8700k.
One bit of advice I was given was to install R10 on a secondary SSD along with the patch collections as allegedly this does help load times for hypersamples.
Turning off HT in R10 reduced the performance whereas the biggest increase came from using the DX primary sound driver with 8k samples.
In the heavy test this increased time by 5 seconds over the Asio I use for the Saffire.
I use the native Focusrite Saffire ASIO driver here so to hear that in this instance the DX Primary Sound Driver worked better in your tests is quite interesting.
My computer is also overclocked but using an i7 Ivy Bridge-E cooled by a Corsair H100i.
Under normal Reason operating conditions, were you able to notice any difference?
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Hey Guys,
Test settings 44.1Khz buffer 1024 samples and cpu 95%
SPECS:
Cpu - Ryzen 2700x (stock speed and stock Prism cooler)
Motherboard - Asus prime 470x pro
Ram - Corsair vengence lpx C16 DDR4 3000Mhz (D.O.C.P profile enabled)
OS drive - Samsung 970 evo M.2 nvme 250gb ssd.
Audio Interface - Focusrite 2i4 (1st gen)
Simple Fx chain - 01:08:870
Complex FX chain - 00:16:370
No crackling of audio, It just simply stops.
Test settings 44.1Khz buffer 1024 samples and cpu 95%
SPECS:
Cpu - Ryzen 2700x (stock speed and stock Prism cooler)
Motherboard - Asus prime 470x pro
Ram - Corsair vengence lpx C16 DDR4 3000Mhz (D.O.C.P profile enabled)
OS drive - Samsung 970 evo M.2 nvme 250gb ssd.
Audio Interface - Focusrite 2i4 (1st gen)
Simple Fx chain - 01:08:870
Complex FX chain - 00:16:370
No crackling of audio, It just simply stops.
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i97940@4Ghz (base speed 3.1GHz)
Test settings 44.1Khz buffer 1024 samples and cpu 95%
Complex HT OFF 1:21
Complex With HT all the way through.
Simple HT OFF 2:00
Simple with HT 1:14
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Test settings 44.1Khz buffer 1024 samples and cpu 95%
Complex HT OFF 1:21
Complex With HT all the way through.
Simple HT OFF 2:00
Simple with HT 1:14
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i9 9900k @ 4,9 GHz
16 GB RAM
Focusrite Scarlet 2i2
Buffer setting @ 1024
44000 Hz
COMPLEX RE with HT on: 56,7 seconds
COMPLEX RE with HT off: 56,2 seconds
16 GB RAM
Focusrite Scarlet 2i2
Buffer setting @ 1024
44000 Hz
COMPLEX RE with HT on: 56,7 seconds
COMPLEX RE with HT off: 56,2 seconds
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9900K - 16 GB - 3xXB270HU - GTX 1080 ti
9900K - 16 GB - 3xXB270HU - GTX 1080 ti
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Are you overclocking your 9900K, or is that stock turbo clock? If you're overclocking, are you clocking all 8 cores at 4.9 Ghz? What cooler are you using? What are your core temps?
Just curious...
Thanks!
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Yes, that's across all cores. I used a preset overclock. Stock is 3,6 GHz i believe, with turbo on two cores.EnochLight wrote: ↑09 Nov 2018Are you overclocking your 9900K, or is that stock turbo clock? If you're overclocking, are you clocking all 8 cores at 4.9 Ghz? What cooler are you using? What are your core temps?
Just curious...
Thanks!
Using Noctuas NH-D15, got about 2 mm of free space between the bottom fan and my GPU :S. During the test temps maxed out at 57 C. Bet it'll get even hotter under prolonged use!
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That NH-D15 is still the best air cooler in the industry (often beating many AIO water coolers). And 57 C is awesome - the 9900K's T-Junction is 100 C (meaning, it won't even throttle the die until around 95 C). Crank those babies to 5 Ghz man!!!!
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en ... 9900k.html
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Haha yeah gonna try it after i've ironed out some wrinkles. Getting bluescreens with MEMORY_MANAGEMENT, hopefully it's just driver issues (never did a clean install after switching mobo+CPU.)EnochLight wrote: ↑09 Nov 2018That NH-D15 is still the best air cooler in the industry (often beating many AIO water coolers). And 57 C is awesome - the 9900K's T-Junction is 100 C (meaning, it won't even throttle the die until around 95 C). Crank those babies to 5 Ghz man!!!!
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en ... 9900k.html
Edit: It's now 5,2 GHz across all cores. Strange thing is it only played 52 seconds this time (84 C package temp.) Before the extra OC i ran another test (4,9 GHz) where it played just past the 1 min mark, HT on in both cases.
Gonna try one more time later today, if the tradeoff is noisier fans and shorter playback it's a no-go
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Yeah, that’s weird. Let us know what happens after your second test at 5.2 Ghz.candybag wrote: ↑09 Nov 2018Edit: It's now 5,2 GHz across all cores. Strange thing is it only played 52 seconds this time (84 C package temp.) Before the extra OC i ran another test (4,9 GHz) where it played just past the 1 min mark, HT on in both cases.
Gonna try one more time later today, if the tradeoff is noisier fans and shorter playback it's a no-go
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Does anyone still have this file? The links on the first page no longer work.
If you need a copy of those files let me know.LiberalTugboat wrote: ↑01 Mar 2019Does anyone still have this file? The links on the first page no longer work.
I am running a i7-9700k and have all 8 cores running at 5.0. I can run both the files to completion. It starts to crackle a bit towards the end but no errrors are displayed. The highest core temp hits about 60 with a Noctua UH-14S. I don't have the option of turning off HT with a 9700k.
It appears that Reason 10 runs better on high end Windows based systems than the off the shelf MACs. Is that true?
Anyone runing a Mac Clone on 9700 or 9900 or bigger? Or a 2066 socket? Or will that even work. I ran one on a 3930k years ago.
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Great result in terms of price/performance. What score in passmark benchmark on that oc system do You have ? And what the rest of computer specification ? And what latency in Reason during test ?splangie wrote: ↑04 Mar 2019If you need a copy of those files let me know.LiberalTugboat wrote: ↑01 Mar 2019Does anyone still have this file? The links on the first page no longer work.
I am running a i7-9700k and have all 8 cores running at 5.0. I can run both the files to completion. It starts to crackle a bit towards the end but no errrors are displayed. The highest core temp hits about 60 with a Noctua UH-14S. I don't have the option of turning off HT with a 9700k.
It appears that Reason 10 runs better on high end Windows based systems than the off the shelf MACs. Is that true?
Anyone runing a Mac Clone on 9700 or 9900 or bigger? Or a 2066 socket? Or will that even work. I ran one on a 3930k years ago.
It is on an Asus Prime Z390-A MB, with 2-8GB G. Skill 3000s, Samsung EVO 860 and just using UHD 630 from CPU for graphics. CPU scores 19260 and 3038 for single thread, memory gets 3496. That puts them all in 99th percentile. Vcore is set to 1.28, Vcio 1.2, just about everything manually and no offsets on AVX or anything else. RAM is stock timing. I stressed it with Prime95 Blend for 24hrs and Small FFTs for 14 with AVX off. The small FFTs for 14 hours was an accident, but it passed and temps hit 88 so that was nice to see. I ran the test out both to the Realtek digital from MB and USB to headphones. The input latency was showing 1 ms and 0 out. I did not have any control surfaces selected. I use a Tascam US2x2 when needed. Should the test be done using that as an out with a control surface as well?Przemyslaw wrote: ↑05 Mar 2019Great result in terms of price/performance. What score in passmark benchmark on that oc system do You have ? And what the rest of computer specification ? And what latency in Reason during test ?splangie wrote: ↑04 Mar 2019
If you need a copy of those files let me know.
I am running a i7-9700k and have all 8 cores running at 5.0. I can run both the files to completion. It starts to crackle a bit towards the end but no errrors are displayed. The highest core temp hits about 60 with a Noctua UH-14S. I don't have the option of turning off HT with a 9700k.
It appears that Reason 10 runs better on high end Windows based systems than the off the shelf MACs. Is that true?
Anyone runing a Mac Clone on 9700 or 9900 or bigger? Or a 2066 socket? Or will that even work. I ran one on a 3930k years ago.
In November the CPU was $369 after 30 dollar bundle discount with MB at 159 from Microcenter. Quite a bit but all performance issues for me are gone.
Latest test results -
https://www.passmark.com/baselines/V9/d ... 7882853643
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splangie wrote: ↑05 Mar 2019It is on an Asus Prime Z390-A MB, with 2-8GB G. Skill 3000s, Samsung EVO 860 and just using UHD 630 from CPU for graphics. CPU scores 19260 and 3038 for single thread, memory gets 3496. That puts them all in 99th percentile. Vcore is set to 1.28, Vcio 1.2, just about everything manually and no offsets on AVX or anything else. RAM is stock timing. I stressed it with Prime95 Blend for 24hrs and Small FFTs for 14 with AVX off. The small FFTs for 14 hours was an accident, but it passed and temps hit 88 so that was nice to see. I ran the test out both to the Realtek digital from MB and USB to headphones. The input latency was showing 1 ms and 0 out. I did not have any control surfaces selected. I use a Tascam US2x2 when needed. Should the test be done using that as an out with a control surface as well?Przemyslaw wrote: ↑05 Mar 2019
Great result in terms of price/performance. What score in passmark benchmark on that oc system do You have ? And what the rest of computer specification ? And what latency in Reason during test ?
In November the CPU was $369 after 30 dollar bundle discount with MB at 159 from Microcenter. Quite a bit but all performance issues for me are gone.
Latest test results -
https://www.passmark.com/baselines/V9/d ... 7882853643
Many thanks for the description. It's very interesting that you went through the whole reason test complex. I have i7 7820x, after OC 19990 points in the passmark and I reach 56 seconds in this complex test. The remaining specification is comparable to yours. With the fact that it's great if you carried out the test on Tascam US2x2 drivers (preferably with 1024samples latency in Reason audio preferences). The control surface is unlikely to affect the test.
You have a very strong single core processor, I wonder if this determines such a huge performance. Your 3038 to 2489 in my single thread processor. That's 20% more.
Are you sure you did the test correctly? Crackling sound hints that you have no CPU limit set.splangie wrote: ↑04 Mar 2019I am running a i7-9700k and have all 8 cores running at 5.0. I can run both the files to completion. It starts to crackle a bit towards the end but no errrors are displayed. The highest core temp hits about 60 with a Noctua UH-14S. I don't have the option of turning off HT with a 9700k.
From the 1st post: "CPU Usage Limit must be set to 95% in Reason's settings"
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Of course you do - under Reason’s Preferences. And there should be an option under your motherboard BIOS if you want to turn it off for Windows (which I don’t recommend).
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Yep, I was running with limit at none. That makes a difference and now neither song completes. At 95%, R9.5 Benchmark44...V2 stops at 51.5 with no pops or noise that I can hear. R9.5+2017 SimpleFX... stops at 2:27. I can hear some noise during the last few seconds or so.jam-s wrote: ↑05 Mar 2019Are you sure you did the test correctly? Crackling sound hints that you have no CPU limit set.splangie wrote: ↑04 Mar 2019I am running a i7-9700k and have all 8 cores running at 5.0. I can run both the files to completion. It starts to crackle a bit towards the end but no errrors are displayed. The highest core temp hits about 60 with a Noctua UH-14S. I don't have the option of turning off HT with a 9700k.
From the 1st post: "CPU Usage Limit must be set to 95% in Reason's settings"
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