Radical Keys is out of tune!
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Do this:
Add Radical Keys to the rack
Make Rec Source active
Add audio track, select Radical Keys as input and activate the tuner
Play some notes, they are all out of tune.
Wurlitzer, Rhodes, Pianet in all variants, all out of tune.
Haven't used Radical Keys much, but noticed it to be a problem in Reason 10.2.2d1
Add Radical Keys to the rack
Make Rec Source active
Add audio track, select Radical Keys as input and activate the tuner
Play some notes, they are all out of tune.
Wurlitzer, Rhodes, Pianet in all variants, all out of tune.
Haven't used Radical Keys much, but noticed it to be a problem in Reason 10.2.2d1
I'm not at my Reason computer now, so I can't check. But are the low notes flat, and the high notes sharp? That is, does it follow the Railsback curve?
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no they are all flatScuzzyEye wrote: ↑04 Jan 2019I'm not at my Reason computer now, so I can't check. But are the low notes flat, and the high notes sharp? That is, does it follow the Railsback curve?
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Flat by 5-10 cents?
Quickest solution.
Turn the tuner off.
Quickest solution.
Turn the tuner off.
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Yeah I have noticed this. Always have to bump it up a few cents with the fine tuner. Weird that it didn't get spotted!
Not at my computer to check. Did you check across the entire range? Might it have to do with possible degree of stretch tuning? Often times, if stretch tuning isn't used and keys are perfectly in tune with each other, they can actually sound out of tune. But again, I've never given it a close look. Did you also check at different velocities?
But a few cents off doesn't sound like a problem (both in description and sound). I've certainly never noticed it. In all honesty, when everything in a track is perfectly in tune with each other, it can sometimes sound dull and not be as lively and have as much character (or sound out of tune, even though according to a tuner it is not). And as others mention, there is a Tune section to adjust it if it doesn't work well within your song.
But a few cents off doesn't sound like a problem (both in description and sound). I've certainly never noticed it. In all honesty, when everything in a track is perfectly in tune with each other, it can sometimes sound dull and not be as lively and have as much character (or sound out of tune, even though according to a tuner it is not). And as others mention, there is a Tune section to adjust it if it doesn't work well within your song.
I dunno. Off by 6 cents sounds like it could possibly be intentional.chimp_spanner wrote: ↑04 Jan 2019Yeah I have noticed this. Always have to bump it up a few cents with the fine tuner. Weird that it didn't get spotted!
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Yes across full range.joeyluck wrote: ↑04 Jan 2019Not at my computer to check. Did you check across the entire range? Might it have to do with possible degree of stretch tuning? Often times, if stretch tuning isn't used and keys are perfectly in tune with each other, they can actually sound out of tune. But again, I've never given it a close look. Did you also check at different velocities?
But a few cents off doesn't sound like a problem (both in description and sound). I've certainly never noticed it. In all honesty, when everything in a track is perfectly in tune with each other, it can sometimes sound dull and not be as lively and have as much character (or sound out of tune, even though according to a tuner it is not). And as others mention, there is a Tune section to adjust it if it doesn't work well within your song.
The whole range has a tuning offset. It's not like a natural "not perfect" Rhodes. It simply sounds like an instrument you want to tune. I am a guitar player so tuning is the thing I do a lot
I know this is off topic, but as a guitarist myself (and one who abhors the constant need to tune), I’d be remiss if I didn’t take every opportunity to spread the gospel of Evertune bridges for guitars. I can’t tell you how awesome it is to be able to fire up Reason, arm a track, and start recording without needing to worry whether I’m in tune.Marco Raaphorst wrote: ↑04 Jan 2019Yes across full range.joeyluck wrote: ↑04 Jan 2019Not at my computer to check. Did you check across the entire range? Might it have to do with possible degree of stretch tuning? Often times, if stretch tuning isn't used and keys are perfectly in tune with each other, they can actually sound out of tune. But again, I've never given it a close look. Did you also check at different velocities?
But a few cents off doesn't sound like a problem (both in description and sound). I've certainly never noticed it. In all honesty, when everything in a track is perfectly in tune with each other, it can sometimes sound dull and not be as lively and have as much character (or sound out of tune, even though according to a tuner it is not). And as others mention, there is a Tune section to adjust it if it doesn't work well within your song.
The whole range has a tuning offset. It's not like a natural "not perfect" Rhodes. It simply sounds like an instrument you want to tune. I am a guitar player so tuning is the thing I do a lot
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It is an interesting concept. Must say I am totally happy with my custom Telecaster with heavy custom bridge.guitfnky wrote: ↑04 Jan 2019I know this is off topic, but as a guitarist myself (and one who abhors the constant need to tune), I’d be remiss if I didn’t take every opportunity to spread the gospel of Evertune bridges for guitars. I can’t tell you how awesome it is to be able to fire up Reason, arm a track, and start recording without needing to worry whether I’m in tune.Marco Raaphorst wrote: ↑04 Jan 2019
Yes across full range.
The whole range has a tuning offset. It's not like a natural "not perfect" Rhodes. It simply sounds like an instrument you want to tune. I am a guitar player so tuning is the thing I do a lot
if you ever get the chance to try one out, I recommend it. even if just to see it in action. it’s an ingenious piece of tech.
Is that why I would sometimes inherently upturn RP ??? By George I think you've. . .
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I would also say that having locking tuners can make a world of difference as well, not too mention it makes restringing a breeze.guitfnky wrote: ↑04 Jan 2019I know this is off topic, but as a guitarist myself (and one who abhors the constant need to tune), I’d be remiss if I didn’t take every opportunity to spread the gospel of Evertune bridges for guitars. I can’t tell you how awesome it is to be able to fire up Reason, arm a track, and start recording without needing to worry whether I’m in tune.Marco Raaphorst wrote: ↑04 Jan 2019
Yes across full range.
The whole range has a tuning offset. It's not like a natural "not perfect" Rhodes. It simply sounds like an instrument you want to tune. I am a guitar player so tuning is the thing I do a lot
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depends also on the sound you want. I have a Tele which sounds sublime. I am not into heavy overdrive just a slight edge, very dynamic tone.SymphonicDischord wrote: ↑05 Jan 2019I would also say that having locking tuners can make a world of difference as well, not too mention it makes restringing a breeze.guitfnky wrote: ↑04 Jan 2019
I know this is off topic, but as a guitarist myself (and one who abhors the constant need to tune), I’d be remiss if I didn’t take every opportunity to spread the gospel of Evertune bridges for guitars. I can’t tell you how awesome it is to be able to fire up Reason, arm a track, and start recording without needing to worry whether I’m in tune.
drift?
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were Rhodes notoriously flat?
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no drift, all notes are flat. try it yourself.
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Rhodes can be tuned. Friend of my is the Rhodes repair man of Holland. Those sound great. He dislikes the Radical Keys btw. I agree. It sounds nothing like a Rhodes.
true; tone is super important. I use a very wide variety of sounds, but rarely reach for something with a ton of distortion, and it still sounds and plays amazingly.Marco Raaphorst wrote: ↑05 Jan 2019depends also on the sound you want. I have a Tele which sounds sublime. I am not into heavy overdrive just a slight edge, very dynamic tone.SymphonicDischord wrote: ↑05 Jan 2019
I would also say that having locking tuners can make a world of difference as well, not too mention it makes restringing a breeze.
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The tune of a concert piano pitch (A) can some times be set a little out of tune from the
ISO 440Hz. Found this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concert_pitch
ISO 440Hz. Found this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concert_pitch
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everything in Reason should be equal temperament 440.SoundObjects wrote: ↑13 Jan 2019The tune of a concert piano pitch (A) can some times be set a little out of tune from the
ISO 440Hz. Found this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concert_pitch
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