Goodbye Hydlide?

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30 Oct 2018

EnochLight wrote:
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Mattias has commented on Reddit that Hydlide has in fact NOT lost his license, nothing was revoked.
Like I suspected Propellerhead will not just revoke a license on a whim without any real legal ground.
This doesn't put Hydlide in a great position does it ?

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Jesus. So all this is clearly for YouTube clicks and drama? Look, I don’t deny Reason has performance issues when compared to other DAW, but Hydlide’s behavior is nothing short of sociopathic. Dafuq man?
See i told you, the guy already said he was leaving like 10 times!!!! LOL!!!

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Even the CEO of PH has posted in the Reddit thread (his second post ever :lol:) , well if Hydlide purpose was to get attention he got it.
Maybe slander wasn't the best way to do so, if you want to get sued that's a great way to start tho.

In all seriousness I think Hydlide has some mental issues he needs help with. The way he spoke in his last video, like he is some sort of martyr.
A grown ass man isn't supposed to care this much about a computer program and cross a line like this.

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the fact that his crappy antics have gone so far they require a response from actual Props developers is really aggravating. having to take time that could be spent updating code to improve the performance he’s whining about and instead spend it on massaging his fragile ego is such a waste.
Well, to my knowledge Anosou is Mattias Haggstrom and he is a product speciallist/manager, not a developer (to my knowledge). So you can rest assured that coding was not delayed in this case. I don't know if he is responsible for marketing, or brand imaging but he and Ryan are for me the face of Propellerhead right now!

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esselfortium wrote:
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It's not really VST he's talking about. The implication is that he's "discovered" something from Reason 8 onwards that's causing all-round poor performance, that the VST will do little-to-nothing to address it, and furthermore that he will violate the EULA to reveal the cause in a subsequent video. Which, if I had to guess, is what put him on the shit-list.

All of which is weird because - and I sound like a broken record here - I work and record in Reason almost every day. If I was unable to play a chord in eXpanse, or video capture for my work, or use VSTs or make music, I would've jumped ship a long time ago, despite the absurd amount of Rack Extensions I've bought. I definitely don't remember there being any performance drop from 7-8, but it was such a long time ago ya know.
My experience doesn't bear out what he's describing, either. On the contrary, upgrading to Reason 8 actually fixed some performance hangups that had been haunting me with large projects on 6 and 7. I was thrilled when I finally updated.
Yeah I feel that. The only issues I had for a while were related to scrolling, but as I mentioned to Jappe I think that was a driver thing. It’s all working great now, and it’ll work even better after the next update I’m sure.

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30 Oct 2018

antic604 wrote:
30 Oct 2018
guitfnky wrote:
30 Oct 2018
the fact that his crappy antics have gone so far they require a response from actual Props developers is really aggravating. having to take time that could be spent updating code to improve the performance he’s whining about and instead spend it on massaging his fragile ego is such a waste.
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For the record, I don't have cpu problems.. this was just me trying to abuse my computer. 6 note chord per instance of expanse
For the monther of God, please use Shift+Enter to return to the beginning of the project ;) :P :D
It's slower. I use Reason 15-16 hours a day.. trust me when I say that it's slower for me to use shift+enter :)
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The problem I have with this Rant is, he complains about what? Reason not being optimized for his i9?????
It is being speculated that Reason has its own way of handing multi-core/thread processing and since i9-s introduced some significant changes to the CPU architecture relating to inter-core communication (a mesh instead of traditional ring bus) then maybe Reason indeed needs to adapt to it? In a video some time ago Hydelide was showing how his new i9 performed worse than his previous i7 CPU, so maybe there is something to it and not only for VSTs, but in general for DSP processing?
Yeah I get all that, and it makes sense. But how is it stoping Hydlide from making the music he wants to make? Seeing as he's always making some sort of music in all his videos and never having any problems?

Is Hydlide a film score composer that needs 50 Instances of Kontakt running at the same time? (his new i9 rig could probably handle that). As far as I can see he likes to make EDM for the most part. And I'm guessing he could do that with an i3 and 8gigs of ram.

So what is he complaining about? He can do exactly what he needs to do. The rest is just blowing hot air.

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esselfortium wrote:
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It's not really VST he's talking about. The implication is that he's "discovered" something from Reason 8 onwards that's causing all-round poor performance, that the VST will do little-to-nothing to address it, and furthermore that he will violate the EULA to reveal the cause in a subsequent video. Which, if I had to guess, is what put him on the shit-list.

All of which is weird because - and I sound like a broken record here - I work and record in Reason almost every day. If I was unable to play a chord in eXpanse, or video capture for my work, or use VSTs or make music, I would've jumped ship a long time ago, despite the absurd amount of Rack Extensions I've bought. I definitely don't remember there being any performance drop from 7-8, but it was such a long time ago ya know.
My experience doesn't bear out what he's describing, either. On the contrary, upgrading to Reason 8 actually fixed some performance hangups that had been haunting me with large projects on 6 and 7. I was thrilled when I finally updated.
I have this experience too i could test it from R8 to R10, that i still have on my system because of some projects that had Line 6. I did some testings with 2 projects, one that is more based on Synths, another based on samples and audio.

The audio based project has around 30 tracks of sampled instruments and audio. This project hits 2 dsp bars on R8 and on R10. Looking at the CPU it goes around 15 % on 3 cores of a I7 4790k on R8 and 14% on R10. Hyperthreading was disabled on R10 since that is not available on R8 (and in my system it makes it worse).

The synth based project has about 20 tracks, where about 5 are not synths. The rest is a kong, a reaso piano, a drRex, this kind of stuff, the synths are multiple instance of ReSpire's, Antidote's, rob papen Vectos and Quad's one
Thor and one Subtractor. This project runs with 3/4 bars, and loads 36% of my CPU's with more or less the same performance. I did a video with the synth project, no edits where i load the project on R8 and then on R10 and show these findings.

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Even the CEO of PH has posted in the Reddit thread (his second post ever :lol:) ,
Link? Would be curious to see what Ernst said.
mcatalao wrote:
30 Oct 2018
Well, to my knowledge Anosou is Mattias Haggstrom and he is a product specialist/manager, not a developer (to my knowledge). So you can rest assured that coding was not delayed in this case. I don't know if he is responsible for marketing, or brand imaging but he and Ryan are for me the face of Propellerhead right now!
Mattias Haggstrom is the Product Manager of Reason, and he also had a great deal of pull with getting VST support added in 9.5. :puf_smile: :thumbs_up:
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Even the CEO of PH has posted in the Reddit thread (his second post ever :lol:) ,
Link? Would be curious to see what Ernst said.
its not much :)

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Link? Would be curious to see what Ernst said.
its not much :)
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Mattias has commented on Reddit that Hydlide has in fact NOT lost his license, nothing was revoked.
Like I suspected Propellerhead will not just revoke a license on a whim without any real legal ground.
This doesn't put Hydlide in a great position does it ?

Post can be read here:
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Link? Would be curious to see what Ernst said.
its not much :)
Now all this becomes more interesting... I instantly want to buy a boulevard magazine.
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LOL@ this thread.

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He played us like a damn fiddle.

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LOL@ this thread.
Pretty ridiculous.
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Check the comments on the YT video. Something about "hammering down some emails" and telling his side tonight. And of course we're gonna watch. Because we're dirty. We're dirty and we're weak.
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He played us like a damn fiddle.
I knew he was lying from the start

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30 Oct 2018

My guess is that the last video he posted, was at a time when he 100000% believed they would revoke his license.

I suppose thought something along the lines of talk showing the data, would be the nail in his coffin

I truely hope the best for the guy, I love his videos on malström and Thor with all the creative madness!
Those videos are one of the reasons as to why I chose reason. At the time, there weren’t many platform specific videos. Just videos about NI massive or FM8

Clearly Matthias even responding means that they are willing to hear him out. And in the best case scenario the rest of us will end up getting a nice performance boost

I also believe I heard of people with power house super computers having issues right when 9.5 came out
So I think it’s safe to say that they are well aware of not only the vst issue, but the whole thing with multi core setups .
Thanks for listening props, now hydlide just needs to explain his case in a calm manor. No matter how frustrating it might be
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30 Oct 2018

I'm not conviced he was lying, that would seem too ridiculous. Who knows what was really going on behind the scenes? Private messages, emails. Perhaps in all the confusion he thought his license was revoked but got confused... I simply hope he keeps his channels and website and keeps making great videos... about Reason.
I'm inclined to think someone somewhere triggered an improbability drive. Normality should be resumed soon. :cool:

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don't know what to think other then d is for drama
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I'm not conviced he was lying, that would seem too ridiculous. Who knows what was really going on behind the scenes? Private messages, emails. Perhaps in all the confusion he thought his license was revoked but got confused... I simply hope he keeps his channels and website and keeps making great videos... about Reason.
I'm inclined to think someone somewhere triggered an improbability drive. Normality should be resumed soon. :cool:
"My license has been revoked" then repeatedly reinforced that statement all throughout video :oops:

Video has been deleted now though

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30 Oct 2018

Yeah just saw that. In seriousness I think if he’s convinced himself that he’s about to get locked out then any abnormality in his account would probably look like they’ve taken action. I assume they’ve worked something out otherwise he’d stick to his story and keep the video up so again, for as little as I care for his NEW videos (old ones are solid) I do really hope that he gets it sorted.

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Clearly Matthias even responding means that they are willing to hear him out. And in the best case scenario the rest of us will end up getting a nice performance boost
Make no mistake - any performance boost that we get from a Reason update has absolutely ZERO to do with the drama that Hydlide has subjected everyone to. Far more learned people than him have been working on Reason for far longer.
Namyo85 wrote:
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I'm not conviced he was lying, that would seem too ridiculous. Who knows what was really going on behind the scenes? Private messages, emails. Perhaps in all the confusion he thought his license was revoked but got confused... I simply hope he keeps his channels and website and keeps making great videos... about Reason.
I'm inclined to think someone somewhere triggered an improbability drive. Normality should be resumed soon. :cool:
Well, he made a video titled "My License Was Revoked", and repeatedly stated as such during the video. Then he reaffirmed this in the video's comment section. So if he wasn't lying, he was either being 1. disingenuous (which is just as bad), 2. a drama queen, or 3. both 1 and 2.
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