Propellerhead - please add NKS support to Reason!
If you're onboard, vote! Maybe we can get Propellerhead to pay attention if enough people want it.
Here's an example of Output's wares used via NKS support:
Yeah, it's open. Props just have to register and apply to get the SDK. Basically, it allows hardware control with NI's Komplete Kontrol line of MIDi controllers, with native devices being displayed in their built-in high resolution displays, easy patch navigation, etc. It's essentially the Nektar Panorama series on higher quality/modern hardware, with deep integration.bxbrkrz wrote: ↑26 Mar 2018I don't know enough to vote one way or the other. Is this an "open platform"?
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Yeah, what would need to happen is core Reason device/RE support, as well as VST's in Reason. I'm OK with this.fieldframe wrote: ↑26 Mar 2018While VSTs have to support NKS individually, I wonder if the more uniform nature of the RE format would allow Propellerhead to add across-the-board NKS support to all REs at the host level? That would be a pretty big win.
Which pretty much makes this a Native Instruments feature request since NKS is basically just a plugin wrapper... forgive me I'm still slightly annoyed by the missed potential of these keyboards.EnochLight wrote: ↑27 Mar 2018Yeah, what would need to happen is core Reason device/RE support, as well as VST's in Reason. I'm OK with this.fieldframe wrote: ↑26 Mar 2018While VSTs have to support NKS individually, I wonder if the more uniform nature of the RE format would allow Propellerhead to add across-the-board NKS support to all REs at the host level? That would be a pretty big win.
It's just a plugin wrapper? I had no idea that's all it was. I assumed there was some deeper communication to get all of the feedback and display info on the hardware's screen, as well as the patch previews. Are you sure there isn't some sort of DAW integration that would need to happen from Prop's end as well?
Totally. For me it's about as frustrating as Nektar abandoning their Panorama hardware for the cheap Impact stuff.
Pretty much. All of the communication is through the Komplete Kontrol software. NKS works with 3rd party instruments because those plugins are loaded into the Komplete Kontrol plugin and not directly into the DAW itself. Agreed on Nektar though. The Panorama is in untapped territory but needs an update.EnochLight wrote: ↑27 Mar 2018It's just a plugin wrapper? I had no idea that's all it was. I assumed there was some deeper communication to get all of the feedback and display info on the hardware's screen, as well as the patch previews. Are you sure there isn't some sort of DAW integration that would need to happen from Prop's end as well?
Totally. For me it's about as frustrating as Nektar abandoning their Panorama hardware for the cheap Impact stuff.
Same boat. I like my P4 but I'm getting more and more frustrated by it.EnochLight wrote: ↑26 Mar 2018Man, I sure would love NKS support for Reason. I've grown so frustrated with my Nektar Panorama's hardware (and Nektar's refusal to update it), that I've been eyeing the Komplete Kontrol line for a while now... but I have no interest in using Maschine, etc.
Propellerhead - please add NKS support to Reason!
If you're onboard, vote! Maybe we can get Propellerhead to pay attention if enough people want it.
Here's an example of Output's wares used via NKS support:
That's what remote mapping is aboutjimmyklane wrote: ↑13 Jun 2018
As it stands now I have a hodgepodge of analog monosynths that I’ve got to map every time I want to automate something without a mouse.
Let’s face it, we’ve been clamoring for a Panorama successor for years. Nektar Tech have abandoned the product line (aside from lengthy periodic Remote map updates). They’ll never release a new Panorama. They’ve switched to budget products with the Impact stuff.Carly(Poohbear) wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018
Personally I would prefer for Nektar to update their P series to include lighting on the knobs for visual feedback and even touch lite faders...
Nope, NKS only works for plugins. Can't even control stock plugins in the supported DAWs.jimmyklane wrote: ↑13 Jun 2018I think NKS would mean that Maschine could control Reason’s built in devices, correct?
As it stands now I have a hodgepodge of analog monosynths that I’ve got to map every time I want to automate something without a mouse.
Did they officially state this? I'm not expecting one at this point either, but just curious.EnochLight wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018
Let’s face it, we’ve been clamoring for a Panorama successor for years. Nektar Tech have abandoned the product line (aside from lengthy periodic Remote map updates). They’ll never release a new Panorama. They’ve switched to budget products with the Impact stuff.
I’ve come to terms with this. I’m just sad. I thought the Panorama stuff was the beginning of a premium line of products. They’ve decided otherwise, though.
No, but actions speak far louder than words. It’s been 6 years since the Panorama keyboard line appeared. There have been no new advancements since then. Meanwhile, they’ve released the original Impact line and then an updated version with improved hardware.
Partly also the downside of not having a competitor. Komplete Kontrol with NKS is a different beast so they're a little too comfortable. It is indeed a high possibility that they never release an update. Could be a similar situation to Novation never releasing a successor to the SL and series automap after mkII. I think the overall issue also is most of the market is into budget midi controllers. The higher expense ones seem to not sell as well. The only keyboard controllers in the $500 to $1000 range are the Panorama, Akai Advance, and Komplete Kontrol (not counting theEnochLight wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018No, but actions speak far louder than words. It’s been 6 years since the Panorama keyboard line appeared. There have been no new advancements since then. Meanwhile, they’ve released the original Impact line and then an updated version with improved hardware.
I think the message is pretty clear.
Indeed. And thing with the Panorama line that gets me is that - to be frank - the OS and software integration is seeming quite a bit dated at this point. If they'd stepped up their game, had hardware quality more akin to Komplete Kontrol decks (display screens, icons, keybed, etc), they could have even dumped the motorized fader and could have easily knocked it out of the park.QVprod wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018Partly also the downside of not having a competitor. Komplete Kontrol with NKS is a different beast so they're a little too comfortable. It is indeed a high possibility that they never release an update. Could be a similar situation to Novation never releasing a successor to the SL and series automap after mkII. I think the overall issue also is most of the market is into budget midi controllers. The higher expense ones seem to not sell as well. The only keyboard controllers in the $500 to $1000 range are the Panorama, Akai Advance, and Komplete Kontrol (not counting theEnochLight wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018
No, but actions speak far louder than words. It’s been 6 years since the Panorama keyboard line appeared. There have been no new advancements since then. Meanwhile, they’ve released the original Impact line and then an updated version with improved hardware.
I think the message is pretty clear.
Keylab 88 and Roli stuff). Heck the vast majority of keyboard controllers out right now are a few years old, so no one is making advancements...
I actually tried out the Komplete Kontrol 49 at a Guitar Center. I was highly underwhelmed. Seeing as I can use the Komplete Kontrol Software with any keyboard, I hardly see much value in the hardware as is just to browse patches from a screen. So much missed potential. If they ever actually make it into the beast it could be I'll absolutely buy it.
Honestly I think the only way to get better integration in Reason is for Remote to get overhauled. What the panorama can do in Cubase is still unmatched... sadly I'll never be a Cubase user to experience it. The hardware OS itself though could indeed benefit from some updating if nothing else just to make it look prettier which tbh is a huge selling point for the Komplete Kontrol stuff. Even larger screen a la /Motif XF would a difference.EnochLight wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018Indeed. And thing with the Panorama line that gets me is that - to be frank - the OS and software integration is seeming quite a bit dated at this point. If they'd stepped up their game, had hardware quality more akin to Komplete Kontrol decks (display screens, icons, keybed, etc), they could have even dumped the motorized fader and could have easily knocked it out of the park.QVprod wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018
Partly also the downside of not having a competitor. Komplete Kontrol with NKS is a different beast so they're a little too comfortable. It is indeed a high possibility that they never release an update. Could be a similar situation to Novation never releasing a successor to the SL and series automap after mkII. I think the overall issue also is most of the market is into budget midi controllers. The higher expense ones seem to not sell as well. The only keyboard controllers in the $500 to $1000 range are the Panorama, Akai Advance, and Komplete Kontrol (not counting the
Keylab 88 and Roli stuff). Heck the vast majority of keyboard controllers out right now are a few years old, so no one is making advancements...
I actually tried out the Komplete Kontrol 49 at a Guitar Center. I was highly underwhelmed. Seeing as I can use the Komplete Kontrol Software with any keyboard, I hardly see much value in the hardware as is just to browse patches from a screen. So much missed potential. If they ever actually make it into the beast it could be I'll absolutely buy it.
Their Panorama series literally bank-rolled the company - those keys were the only reason they were able to make the Impact line. It's kind of like how Tesla's Roadster helped fund production of the Model S, and then the Model X, etc. Except that Nektar went straight to their "Model 3" and just dumped all models before it. But I digress...
I get a little wrapped up in it, as the Panorama line is still the best option for Reasoners, yet they're sadly/painfully out of date as of 2018.
I don't know why you claim the Cubase integration isn't deep. Judging from the videos I've seen, Cubase arguably has the best Panorama integration of any DAW. You can even control insert fx which can't be done in reason without creating a track for it first.WasteLand wrote: ↑01 Jul 2018the integration with panaroma p1 is deep, with reason. especially with the community support here, for the panorama p1.
i do not own a komplete keyboard, i have the maschine mk3, and so i can say a little about NKS. it works fine, but, it is more preset browser orientated, thann full control over a vst/i plugin.
i have had contact with panaroma p1, do will still develop things for panaroma, and i don't understand the remarks about the deep reason integration, because it is deep. but for cubase 9.5 pro for instance, it isn't. there will be, but delayed..., an update for cubase.
NKS is for some people enough, and it works, but it can do so much more, with those 2 screens, but it isn't there...
those are old video's. panorama does not support the latest vst plugins, arturia, waves etc., yet. 8 insert slots, while there are 16 insert slots. mapping, via learn, with some plugins the faders won't map. the channel meter doesn't represent the channel meter.... it is off...QVprod wrote: ↑02 Jul 2018I don't know why you claim the Cubase integration isn't deep. Judging from the videos I've seen, Cubase arguably has the best Panorama integration of any DAW. You can even control insert fx which can't be done in reason without creating a track for it first.WasteLand wrote: ↑01 Jul 2018the integration with panaroma p1 is deep, with reason. especially with the community support here, for the panorama p1.
i do not own a komplete keyboard, i have the maschine mk3, and so i can say a little about NKS. it works fine, but, it is more preset browser orientated, thann full control over a vst/i plugin.
i have had contact with panaroma p1, do will still develop things for panaroma, and i don't understand the remarks about the deep reason integration, because it is deep. but for cubase 9.5 pro for instance, it isn't. there will be, but delayed..., an update for cubase.
NKS is for some people enough, and it works, but it can do so much more, with those 2 screens, but it isn't there...
Agreed though that NKS is just a glorified preset manager. NI could have done more with those 2 screens on the keyboards.
Got it. They didn't keep up with it.WasteLand wrote: ↑02 Jul 2018
those are old video's. panorama does not support the latest vst plugins, arturia, waves etc., yet. 8 insert slots, while there are 16 insert slots. mapping, via learn, with some plugins the faders won't map. the channel meter doesn't represent the channel meter.... it is off...
the built in plugins most of times work, but the newest, vst plugins of steinberg aren't mapped.
they are working on an update for cubase, but two big projects have priority, nektarine seemse one of them...
for an old cubase, and old plugins the integration is still deep, but.. not for cubase 9.5, and for a lot of third party plugins. an editor is also an idea that are working on, but they don't tell when and if it really comes.
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