Europa VST/AU!!!!!

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jimmyklane
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30 May 2018

Downloading the VST now to have a play with it and work out any bugs I find.
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30 May 2018

Aosta wrote:
30 May 2018
sdst wrote:
30 May 2018


that's good news,. :thumbs_up: hope to see thousands of good presets. :)

That is pretty amazing! There are going to 1000s upon 1000s of patches and compilations all over the web in no time at all, crazy.
And this is how you make Serum afraid. Always the big picture.
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miscend
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30 May 2018

The naming for the VST is a bit weird. It should be Europa by Propellerheads.

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30 May 2018

Astonishing scenes in this thread.

Ostermilk
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30 May 2018

I like the VST, I prefer the native Reason version.

What can be done one way, can be done in the opposite direction I guess.

Very intriguing in an exciting way methinks.

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30 May 2018

guitfnky wrote:
30 May 2018


and I just saw the price...they're charging $150 for it once the intro price is done? there doesn't seem any reason a Serum user, for example, would ever want to buy Europa, and if you're in the market for a moderately expensive synth VST, wouldn't you just go with Serum in the first place?
You can never have too many synths!

Serum hasn't stopped other devs from making more wavetable synths for the VST/AU market.

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30 May 2018

miscend wrote:
30 May 2018
guitfnky wrote:
30 May 2018


and I just saw the price...they're charging $150 for it once the intro price is done? there doesn't seem any reason a Serum user, for example, would ever want to buy Europa, and if you're in the market for a moderately expensive synth VST, wouldn't you just go with Serum in the first place?
You can never have too many synths!

Serum hasn't stopped other devs from making more wavetable synths for the VST/AU market.
Word, Europa & Serum sound COMPLETELY different. I actually prefer Europa's warmth in a lot of ways (and waaaaaay more CPU friendly).
Still, they're different beasts for different uses. I think this is a brilliant move by the Props.

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30 May 2018

Nice!

Web player is an awesome concept.
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30 May 2018

This is great news for REASON users!

1) They are branding it as "by Reason" --> this will draw attention to Reason
2) It is free with Reason 10 --> Reason 10 will seem more attractive to potential Reason users
3) The revenues this will generate will most likely exceed the cost for porting to VST and thus give Props more financial resources for other things
4) If this turns out to be successful, Props will be able to hire more staff for new instrument / RE development as each new RE/VST will generate more revenue than a RE alone

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30 May 2018

miscend wrote:
30 May 2018
The naming for the VST is a bit weird. It should be Europa by Propellerheads.
Europa by Reason is totally fine, as they want to show how great reason is :)
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30 May 2018

jimmyklane wrote:
30 May 2018
Has anybody gotten a read on what the comparison is between the two versions in terms of CPU usage? Same?
I think it's the same as in Reason. I've added single instance in Live 10.0.2, made a simple midi loop with a rich bass patch and this gave me 6% on Surface Pro 4 i7. Then I copied the track 10 times, played it all together and it was (surprisingly) around 12-13%.

I'd say it will be very usable.

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30 May 2018

botnotbot wrote:
30 May 2018
Reading between the lines here: They are showing off two separate, brand new target platforms for the RE SDK. They are not saying it in those terms, nor have they publicly announced it as an option for third party developers.

Therefore please read the following as rampant, if reasoned, speculation:

Europa is an RE plugin. Here we now have Europa running as a VST and as a browser thingamajig! They are flexing early evidence of the success of their design goals with the RE SDK, but this is absolutely just the beginning, IMO.

It seemed like an insane gambit to me at the time, but the RE ecosystem has a lot of interesting potential ahead of it. Since all of the third party ecosystem targets their toolchain, they can choose to upgrade the platform targets for the entire third party ecosystem whenever they add platform targets to their toolchain.

Obviously they don't consider this ready for third party availability yet, so I imagine targetting VST is not a super smooth process at the moment. But it has the potential to be.

So to my eyes this is Props essentially shooting a few fireworks into the air signalling that they are on their way to having the capability to ship a physical instrument that "runs" Reason in a way that any VST-dependent host will just never be able to manage as gracefully.
You get it. This is the first step in the transformation of the Rack Extension SDK into a universal, cross-platform instrument and effect ecosystem. The really interesting part will be if they make it a unified store, where purchases on one platform can sync to the others. Imagine cross-buying a synth that gives you the RE, the VST/AU, the mobile RE for Reason iOS, *and* the AUv3! Suddenly it becomes a lot more attractive for both customers (who only have to buy once) and developers (who only have to develop once) to get into the RE market.

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30 May 2018

miscend wrote:
30 May 2018
The naming for the VST is a bit weird. It should be Europa by Propellerheads.
I think "by Reason" is great, because it will bring more people to Reason. In the end, the more people buy Reason, the more resources Props have to improving and developing it further.

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30 May 2018

woodsdenis wrote:
30 May 2018
Blacklisted by Cubase 9.5.30, if bypassed crashes Cubase on instantiation. Mac 10.12.6
Weird and bad. I'm running Europa in Cubase 9.5.0.55 on Mac 10.12.6 with no problem. Will update to latest Cubase and see if I can reproduce.

thanks / LudvigC (product designer)

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30 May 2018

antic604 wrote:
30 May 2018
jimmyklane wrote:
30 May 2018
Has anybody gotten a read on what the comparison is between the two versions in terms of CPU usage? Same?
I think it's the same as in Reason. I've added single instance in Live 10.0.2, made a simple midi loop with a rich bass patch and this gave me 6% on Surface Pro 4 i7. Then I copied the track 10 times, played it all together and it was (surprisingly) around 12-13%.

I'd say it will be very usable.
Awesome, thanks for testing for me, I wasn’t in a position to test when I posted....and I’ve uninstalled every other daw to clean house. All the 32-bit plugins are moved over to the storage raid, and I’m working with a pretty lean set of key plugs and instruments not counting my physical synths. I’ve ALWAYS been amazed at how CPU light the internal instruments are, and especially the new instruments sound really really good. No idea how they do it, but they do.
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30 May 2018

fieldframe wrote:
30 May 2018
You get it. This is the first step in the transformation of the Rack Extension SDK into a universal, cross-platform instrument and effect ecosystem. The really interesting part will be if they make it a unified store, where purchases on one platform can sync to the others. Imagine cross-buying a synth that gives you the RE, the VST/AU, the mobile RE for Reason iOS, *and* the AUv3! Suddenly it becomes a lot more attractive for both customers (who only have to buy once) and developers (who only have to develop once) to get into the RE market.
Imagine this! Imagine Antidote, PMS20, GQ7 etc all available as VST! Imagine a world where a RE dev can simply click a checkbox
"make available as VST and IOS app"
, without any additional development effort.
This would make RE development so much more attractive!

djadalaide
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30 May 2018

Thats a really nice surprise, thanks!

Now please port everything else and make a vst with a reason rack inside it!

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30 May 2018

djadalaide wrote:
30 May 2018
Thats a really nice surprise, thanks!

Now please port everything else and make a vst with a reason rack inside it!
How 'bout format agnostic devices even? :geek:

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30 May 2018

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Do i smell a RE<->VST framework? Or even weird, RE<->VST<->WEB?

I dunno...PH got me...Dunno what to say or to think...
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30 May 2018

Catblack wrote:
30 May 2018
I just noticed that the patch browser for the VST wrapper in Reason's rack doesn't work! So I can't scroll through the VST's patches using my P4.
You can scroll through presets with the VST window open - the up and down arrows work with your QWERTY keyboard arrows. You can't map them to your P4?
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30 May 2018

LudvigC wrote:
30 May 2018
woodsdenis wrote:
30 May 2018
Blacklisted by Cubase 9.5.30, if bypassed crashes Cubase on instantiation. Mac 10.12.6
Weird and bad. I'm running Europa in Cubase 9.5.0.55 on Mac 10.12.6 with no problem. Will update to latest Cubase and see if I can reproduce.

thanks / LudvigC (product designer)
Still works fine after updating to Cubase 9.5.30. Will continue research.

/ LudvigC

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30 May 2018

I just got an email about it.

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30 May 2018

Loque wrote:
30 May 2018
tenor.gif

Do i smell a RE<->VST framework? Or even weird, RE<->VST<->WEB?

I dunno...PH got me...Dunno what to say or to think...
That's effectively what RE SDK is. It's platform agnostic so once you submit it to Propellerhead it can be compiled for practically any platform. Nintendo Switch, web browser via WebAssembly / asm.js, or iOS.

All that is required is for Propellerhead to provide a platform enclosure around the Rack Extension. The Europa RE support for VST/AU/Web means they already have the means to make them all available on those platforms (inputs and outputs permitting).

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30 May 2018

I just thought the other day: I want Synchronous as a VST! But they not gonna do it... because they don’t listen and I’ve just posted it lol

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30 May 2018

rcbuse wrote:
30 May 2018
And a web playable version! https://www.propellerheads.se/europa
Thats pretty amazing!

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Not only that, I just had a quick look over the JavaScript file that executes/delegates the logic of the device. It seems as there are further player RE devices (scales and chords, dual arpeggio) loaded and connected to Europa. These seem to be used for the scales and chords and arpeggios functionality on the web page. So there is even an interconnection of the REs! I think we will see a web based rack in the future.

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