Thanks for the response. So if you want to own the fastest consumer CPU in the world ... they give us the new X299 (Basin Falls) chipset/motherboard.syncanonymous wrote: ↑04 Feb 2018and i7 7800x is Skylake x299...I would have gone i9 in that case...and future upgrade path would have been...?!?
Not just Reason, this applies to all DAW and Ryzen:
So it's better to aim at intel. Thank you EnochLight.EnochLight wrote: ↑26 Feb 2018
Not just Reason, this applies to all DAW and Ryzen:
http://www.scanproaudio.info/2017/03/02 ... for-audio/
TL;DR: producing at lower buffer rates (latency) might be an issue for many Ryzen motherboard/audio card combos. Intel i7 or i9 is a safer bet for pro audio production workstations, IMHO.
I have made the complex test again with Reason 10, the performance seems to have gone down a bit from previous R9.5 test (or was it 9.2? I can't remember).
Windows was also updated with patches for the Meltdown and Spectre CPU exploitation since Reason 9.2/9.5, which has been shown to negatively affect performance (though your CPU is not that old, so not sure if that's part of it).
Atari 1040ST | R11 Suite 🡭 R12 | i7 | RME It seems pretty clear to me:
Start with basics. Did you apply Thermal paste between the cooler and the CPU?Raizor wrote: ↑26 Apr 2018Hello, this is my first post here. I'm a long time Reason user and am currently running into serious problems with my new PC build.
I just recently finished building my first custom PC and just finished writing, recording my first Electronica Album also.
I assembled an AMD 1950x Threadripper Workstation.
1950x Threadripper
64GB RAM
X399 Taichi Motherboard
Asus Strix RGB 1080 GPU
500 GB SSD
1TB HD
Enermax Liqtech 240 AIO Cooler
Corsair Vengeance Case
I bought this because my old Intel I7-4770 couldn't process a song that I was working on. It couldn't handle the Mastering plugins that I wanted to use. So - I figured I'd go all out on a new build - or close to it.
I did a fair amount of research - what I thought at the time was significant, but what is now in retrospect, just fair.
I was advised by the "bros" at Micro Center that their best AIO and best cooler was the Enermax 240 - so thats what I picked up and have been using. This keeps my CPU cool on idle at around 30 degrees C. Under stress tests, it gets up to about 68 - 70.
HOWEVER - I built the PC to run Reason 10 and Ableton Live 10 as my DAWS.
Ableton is NOT an issue - as it runs nice and easily.
Propellerhead Reason, though, does NOT.
First of all, the song I built the PC to PLAY wont play at "stock settings." SO - I HAVE to overclock to get it to run. Which it DOES. So thats GOOD.
The problem I run into is overclocking in Reason with the 1950x TR - even at 3.6 GHZ slowly begins overheating my system. The temps jump 20 degrees simply by opening Reason. Loading the song, then pressing "play" makes them slowly rise from 50 to 60 to 70 to 80 to 85, then soon after - CRASH.
Even if I press "stop" - the temps don't come down while in Reason. I have to actually CLOSE the program.
From what I can tell - this is the ONLY program that challenges my CPU and system like this.
I played Far Cry 5 and FF XV and have done Cinebench and AIDA 64 and UserBenchmark - and those were all stable and my system performed with outstanding results. Even NOW - I'm running at 34 degrees C at 3.8 GHZ.
So - I reached out to Propellerhead Tech Support - and all they would tell me is that "Reason has not yet been tested with Threadripper CPUs and we do NOT tell our users what to expect with upcoming updates" - which is just really stupid if you ask me.
So - boys - girls - nonbinaries - what are your thoughts here? Am I doing something wrong? Should I swap out my AIO? Should I go Custom Loop? Or should I wait for Propellerhead to TEST and OPTIMIZE before I do that?
Also - I wanted to make this thread/ topic/ issue AVAILABLE to people because as far as I can see - there is VERY LITTLE INFORMATION about this issue on the Internet for PC and Reason users - and I want them to be aware of this issue BEFORE they sink money into a PC Workstation build like I did. Not that I necessarily regret it - but they should be aware.
I open my song in Reason while overclocked to 3.8 GHZ and I just sit back and watch as my temps SLOWLY rise until my entire PC freezes and crashes.
I don't know if this affects the Threadripper series, but AMD's Ryzen under-performs most Intel chips at lower buffer rates (think 64 - 128 samples). What do you have your audio buffer rate set at with Reason?Raizor wrote: ↑26 Apr 2018Hello, this is my first post here. I'm a long time Reason user and am currently running into serious problems with my new PC build.
I just recently finished building my first custom PC and just finished writing, recording my first Electronica Album also.
I assembled an AMD 1950x Threadripper Workstation.
1950x Threadripper
64GB RAM
X399 Taichi Motherboard
Asus Strix RGB 1080 GPU
500 GB SSD
1TB HD
Enermax Liqtech 240 AIO Cooler
Corsair Vengeance Case
I bought this because my old Intel I7-4770 couldn't process a song that I was working on. It couldn't handle the Mastering plugins that I wanted to use. So - I figured I'd go all out on a new build - or close to it.
I did a fair amount of research - what I thought at the time was significant, but what is now in retrospect, just fair.
I was advised by the "bros" at Micro Center that their best AIO and best cooler was the Enermax 240 - so thats what I picked up and have been using. This keeps my CPU cool on idle at around 30 degrees C. Under stress tests, it gets up to about 68 - 70.
HOWEVER - I built the PC to run Reason 10 and Ableton Live 10 as my DAWS.
Ableton is NOT an issue - as it runs nice and easily.
Propellerhead Reason, though, does NOT.
First of all, the song I built the PC to PLAY wont play at "stock settings." SO - I HAVE to overclock to get it to run. Which it DOES. So thats GOOD.
The problem I run into is overclocking in Reason with the 1950x TR - even at 3.6 GHZ slowly begins overheating my system. The temps jump 20 degrees simply by opening Reason. Loading the song, then pressing "play" makes them slowly rise from 50 to 60 to 70 to 80 to 85, then soon after - CRASH.
Even if I press "stop" - the temps don't come down while in Reason. I have to actually CLOSE the program.
From what I can tell - this is the ONLY program that challenges my CPU and system like this.
I played Far Cry 5 and FF XV and have done Cinebench and AIDA 64 and UserBenchmark - and those were all stable and my system performed with outstanding results. Even NOW - I'm running at 34 degrees C at 3.8 GHZ.
So - I reached out to Propellerhead Tech Support - and all they would tell me is that "Reason has not yet been tested with Threadripper CPUs and we do NOT tell our users what to expect with upcoming updates" - which is just really stupid if you ask me.
So - boys - girls - nonbinaries - what are your thoughts here? Am I doing something wrong? Should I swap out my AIO? Should I go Custom Loop? Or should I wait for Propellerhead to TEST and OPTIMIZE before I do that?
Also - I wanted to make this thread/ topic/ issue AVAILABLE to people because as far as I can see - there is VERY LITTLE INFORMATION about this issue on the Internet for PC and Reason users - and I want them to be aware of this issue BEFORE they sink money into a PC Workstation build like I did. Not that I necessarily regret it - but they should be aware.
I open my song in Reason while overclocked to 3.8 GHZ and I just sit back and watch as my temps SLOWLY rise until my entire PC freezes and crashes.
I have a relatively new desktop for all my work:
)Got a new update, the April update, and remade the test including the chain-fx which I didn't before. Results are back as with previous', on the 24th copy it basically stops playing.EnochLight wrote: ↑03 Mar 2018Windows was also updated with patches for the Meltdown and Spectre CPU exploitation since Reason 9.2/9.5, which has been shown to negatively affect performance (though your CPU is not that old, so not sure if that's part of it).
There is an auction at 900 euro from france, more or less 1000$,Psuper wrote: ↑22 Jan 2018That i9 7980xe is a $2000 processor.
That processor alone cost $600 more than my entire system cost at $1400.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fbVYVY
Yes, Reason will “see” all cores/threads. Your performance will vary, as demonstrated in various builds in this thread. I’d suggest experimenting with Reason’s Hyperthreading settings once you get your new machine.
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