Synapse GQ-7 Equalizer

[O1B]

Density has no technical meaning... strange statement... even 'in terms of audio quality'
Density is 'Weight per unit volume'... thats plenty technical to me.

To say something sounds 'thin' doesn't seem too far fetch'd.

How does density translate....? well, some of us have more operable lateral lines....

Smooth sound propably requires lots of density in the frquency range next to eachothers?
Why do you think DSP is there for everything, except for the frequency tools?

Not sure how to answer.

When speaking of audio quality, the terms "Smoothness" and "Density" have absolutely no technical meaning.

What exactly is "smooth sound"? What does low vs high density sound like?

What do you mean about DSP and "frequency tools"?

[Runner2x]

In this case, you won't be able to exactly match the shelf EQs because they use different underlying filters.

I never was a fan of the MClass shelving but this is some good info. Thanks!

[deepndark]

I can't oftelly finalize my tunes with M-Class High-Shelf, ONLY! When I add GQ-7 and boost it kinda smoothens the whole mix a bit softer, when compared to M-class EQ. It's weird how some people come here to envy that it can't be so.

[jimmyklane]

M-Class and Synapse EQs sound totally different when boosting highs. There are differences in some EQ's.

While I’m not familiar with this specific plugin, I’ve noticed that ALL purely digital implementations that work with an FIR/IIR set of filters have a similar sound, now if something like PSpice/MatLab was used to go for a simplified “hardware emulation” then things can get more interesting, but to get the best out of those you really need to be running at 88.2kHz so as to not run into the “brick wall” of your D/A....this is why I have collected so many analog equalizers over the years. I EQ on the way in and get my phase-smearing at the source!

Something like a 6dB wide Q 22kHz boost sounds WAY different on the way in than it does EQ’ed in Reason. The “air” around the sound isn’t pinched off and harsh but instead feels like the sound floats on top of the mix.

Anyone that’s read my posts has probably guessed that Reason is the centerpiece of a hardware setup... so perhaps I’m not the guy to pontificate about a new EQ plugin.

Big fan of the EQ in the Plugin Alliance ConsoleN VST

[deepndark]

Even a basic logic is that we would not really like to appreciate that Props invented REs and allowed someone to sell us another M-class.

[skie]

I don't do any EQ on the master any more I fix it in the mix. I do however use the GQ-7 for a high cut and low cut (many different slope options if you're in to that) before the Limiter. Which it's really nice on.

[antic604]

Even a basic logic is that we would not really like to appreciate that Props invented REs and allowed someone to sell us another M-class.

WTF does that even mean?

[Rason]

He means that Props use hidden magic on their products so that nobody else is able to emulate. EQ as a 'frequency tool' doesnt use any Digital SOUND Processing and that means that some of them sound smooth due to density of.. overtones? I dont know. I just remember this guy being really vulgar on Selig year ago for sayin something about headroom and not using limiters all over the place.

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[antic604]

He means that Props use hidden magic on their products so that nobody else is able to emulate. EQ as a 'frequency tool' doesnt use any Digital SOUND Processing and that means that some of them sound smooth due to density of.. overtones? I dont know.

Well that's just stupid. Usually native devices in DAWs use less DSP not because of magic powers, but because a) they're more closely integrated, b) because they're simpler, with lesser quality filters, lower oversampling, etc. Also, I imagine no DAW developer wants to undercut the VST business, because they both sit on the same perch - you need DAW to run VSTs, you need VSTs to replace native devices for more quality processing.

I just remember this guy being really vulgar on Selig year ago for sayin something about headroom and not using limiters all over the place.

Not surprised, having read just few of his comments here... But hey, the guy "got a record deal because of Reason" and can do a frequency splitter of which there are many - and some free - in RE shop, so he's a big shot apparently

[deepndark]

He means that Props use hidden magic on their products so that nobody else is able to emulate.

Not in 100% accurately anyway. (That easilie).

EQ as a 'frequency tool' doesnt use any Digital SOUND Processing and that means that some of them sound smooth due to density of.. overtones? I dont know.

You don't know but still argue about it?

I just remember this guy being really vulgar on Selig year ago for sayin something about headroom and not using limiters all over the place.

I am an audio-enthusiast and don't feel like I started out yesterday. If you think the limiters can't be used like I do, you just should give it a try, as most professional audio.gurus tend to break rules, if it makes something sounding better. LEARN!

[deepndark]

Not surprised, having read just few of his comments here... But hey, the guy "got a record deal because of Reason" and can do a frequency splitter of which there are many - and some free - in RE shop, so he's a big shot apparently

Go n read also my "about" over my website: and see how much of me has been put into Reason alreaddy, thank you!

[antic604]

Go n read also my "about" over my website: and see how much of me has been put into Reason alreaddy, thank you!

You mean this?

Heikki is using Propellerhead Reason to make his music and is a brain behind lots of the features added into this software, like: search/favorites, reduce cable clutter and multiple racks and more

[O1B]

I have collected so many analog equalizers over the years. I EQ on the way in and get my phase-smearing at the source!

"Something like a 6dB wide Q 22kHz boost sounds WAY different..."
"The “air” around the sound isn’t pinched off and harsh..."
"... feels like the sound floats on top of the mix."

While I’m not familiar with this specific plugin, I’ve noticed that ALL purely digital implementations that work with an FIR/IIR set of filters have a similar sound, now if something like PSpice/MatLab was used to go for a simplified “hardware emulation” then things can get more interesting, but to get the best out of those you really need to be running at 88.2kHz so as to not run into the “brick wall” of your D/A....this is why I have collected so many analog equalizers over the years. I EQ on the way in and get my phase-smearing at the source!

Something like a 6dB wide Q 22kHz boost sounds WAY different on the way in than it does EQ’ed in Reason. The “air” around the sound isn’t pinched off and harsh but instead feels like the sound floats on top of the mix.

Anyone that’s read my posts has probably guessed that Reason is the centerpiece of a hardware setup... so perhaps I’m not the guy to pontificate about a new EQ plugin.

Big fan of the EQ in the Plugin Alliance ConsoleN VST

[deepndark]

Yup, I already pointed out the feature suggestion threads over PUF but can't anymore as they closed their forums. If some of my latest ones will also be added, I know when to dig out the threads on here.

[O1B]

All that... and hit songs!

Go n read also my
Heikki is using Propellerhead Reason to make his music and is a brain behind lots of the features added into this software, like: search/favorites, reduce cable clutter and multiple racks and more..

[deepndark]

I knew you'd be like that ... somehow... wow... great guys!

[Voyager]

[deepndark]

An Ego of people never win the TRUTH, the Nuff said.

[antic604]

An Ego of people never win the TRUTH, the Nuff said.

It requires a real man to own up to his own flaws. Bravo!

[deepndark]

An Ego of people never win the TRUTH, the Nuff said.

It requires a real man to own up to his own flaws. Bravo!

Some things ain't flaws though, I have seen lots of di*ks in this thread, who never would go back in to their closets. How would you know the secrets of Synapse in the first place some of you?

[antic604]

It requires a real man to own up to his own flaws. Bravo!

Some things ain't flaws though, I have seen lots of di*ks in this thread, who never would go back in to their closets. How would you know the secrets of Synapse in the first place some of you?

Gosh, did the sarcasm of my comment just flew right over your head?!

Let me rephrase - the only person displaying inflated ego in this thread is yourself. And you not seeing it makes it even more hilarious

[selig]

Density has no technical meaning... strange statement... even 'in terms of audio quality'
Density is 'Weight per unit volume'... thats plenty technical to me.

To say something sounds 'thin' doesn't seem too far fetch'd.

How does density translate....? well, some of us have more operable lateral lines....

Not sure how to answer.

When speaking of audio quality, the terms "Smoothness" and "Density" have absolutely no technical meaning.

What exactly is "smooth sound"? What does low vs high density sound like?

What do you mean about DSP and "frequency tools"?

I can only respond by clarifying my point that there are subjective terms, and there are with technical terms. Sample rate is a technical term that has a range of values that are agreed upon. “Density”, “Thin”, etc. are subjective terms with no range of values, but non-the-less useful for communicating feelings.

That’s all I’m saying - I wasn’t clear on the subjective vs objective part with my initial statement.


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[jimmyklane]

I have collected so many analog equalizers over the years. I EQ on the way in and get my phase-smearing at the source!

"Something like a 6dB wide Q 22kHz boost sounds WAY different..."
"The “air” around the sound isn’t pinched off and harsh..."
"... feels like the sound floats on top of the mix."

While I’m not familiar with this specific plugin, I’ve noticed that ALL purely digital implementations that work with an FIR/IIR set of filters have a similar sound, now if something like PSpice/MatLab was used to go for a simplified “hardware emulation” then things can get more interesting, but to get the best out of those you really need to be running at 88.2kHz so as to not run into the “brick wall” of your D/A....this is why I have collected so many analog equalizers over the years. I EQ on the way in and get my phase-smearing at the source!

Something like a 6dB wide Q 22kHz boost sounds WAY different on the way in than it does EQ’ed in Reason. The “air” around the sound isn’t pinched off and harsh but instead feels like the sound floats on top of the mix.

Anyone that’s read my posts has probably guessed that Reason is the centerpiece of a hardware setup... so perhaps I’m not the guy to pontificate about a new EQ plugin.

Big fan of the EQ in the Plugin Alliance ConsoleN VST

I don’t get it....you placed a picture of Denzel Washington in the middle of my post and then highlighted some parts in red. Was this meant to convey information or were you just trying to be funny? If the latter, I believe the joke is lost on me.

[TritoneAddiction]

I really like GQ-7. It's got everything I need to be my go-to EQ. The high and low shelf on the Mclass EQ sounds like crap compared to the way GQ-7 handles it. Mclass creates these horrible dips before the boost and it sounds like s***, so harsh sounding. Also you cannot set the Q band setting as wide. Also it looks really dull and has no spectrum display.

With some additional work and effort I can make GQ-7 sound as bad as Mclass but I can't make Mclass sound as good as GQ-7.

Personally I see no reason what so ever to use Mclass if you already own GQ-7 , well maybe for DSP reasons, but honestly GQ-7 is very light on the DSP as well so it's never been a problem.

[sublunar]

I use it if I ever need surgical EQ, but I rarely need surgical EQ. Or really much of any EQ.

I wonder how that is possible and this kind of makes me feel pathetic considering how much of a fanatic I am becoming. I picked up a few Brainworx EQ's this month and I'm having a blast!

IDK, I used to put EQ on everything chasing the perfect tone. I used to use a 31 band rack EQ on my guitar, for example. But then I got better gear and achieved the tone I wanted without needing all the band-aids. I've scaled back the gear quite a bit these days and ceased throwing extraneous fx on everything by default and I sound better.

I play mostly physical instruments and have good mics with a good analog mixer. These days, I either don't use any EQ (well ok my amps are dialed in) or I use it to turn down the muddy frequencies in the mix. Granted I'm not currently in the final stages of making a record, still finishing up the writing process, but in general I try to avoid using any EQ until later stages where I've already recorded the take at the best possible settings and still feel like it needs to be tweaked to fit in the mix better. Currently, the McDSP EQ's are my go to for subtle tweaks. GQ7 for surgical needs. But both sparingly. Been hoping Selig's coloring EQ goes on sale for may madness because I don't need another EQ but kinda want to play with that one.