Reason 10/9.5 differences, excluding content ?

[woodsdenis]

Any on notice any differences between in 10 to 9.52 in performance, VST utilisation, under the hood improvements ? Obviously excluding the additional content .
Also is it normal for 9.52 to be updated now 10 is out historically ( newbie here ).

[nbot]

I found VST GUI beeing more responsive comparing to 9.5 - Radeon RX580 here

[DetroitT]

4 me on a Mac it's Slow beyond usable.
12 cor 64GB OS 10.12 (Tried in 10.13 as well)
AMD 7950 3GB vid card (Mac EFI)

Tried two OS's, Downloads, standalone and rewire.

Still investigating but this is inconstant with my other apps.

[Psuper]

There's no performance improvements with v.10. Just the oversold 3 small devices and samples, two capable synth devices, and a couple other minor things.

[dustiraw]

Were you guys able to open a session made in beta in version 10 upon purchasing update?

[woodsdenis]

4 me on a Mac it's Slow beyond usable.
12 cor 64GB OS 10.12 (Tried in 10.13 as well)
AMD 7950 3GB vid card (Mac EFI)

Tried two OS's, Downloads, standalone and rewire.

Still investigating but this is inconstant with my other apps.

Did you have 9.5 running ok previously.

[gullum]

4 me on a Mac it's Slow beyond usable.
12 cor 64GB OS 10.12 (Tried in 10.13 as well)
AMD 7950 3GB vid card (Mac EFI)

Tried two OS's, Downloads, standalone and rewire.

Still investigating but this is inconstant with my other apps.

Seriously how many devices are you using in each track? I'm on a 2.7 intel core i5 16 GB ram and I can run all my songs without problems

[adrian-singleton]

I made a quick test.

Settings:
CPU 95%
48000 sample rate
2048 buffer

I loaded a stereo track with one instance of Ozone 8, run the track assistant and accepted
the result.

Then I copied the track incl. Ozone VST multiple times.

The results between 9.5 and 10 are exactly the same:

HT off - 20 Tracks/20 Ozone 8 instances, then appeared the computer too slow message.
HT on - 25 Tracks/25 Ozone 8 instances, then appeared the computer too slow message.

Btw, in Reaper I did the same test and gave up copying at 40 tracks, Cpu Load was only around 40%....

[jlgrimes]

4 me on a Mac it's Slow beyond usable.
12 cor 64GB OS 10.12 (Tried in 10.13 as well)
AMD 7950 3GB vid card (Mac EFI)

Tried two OS's, Downloads, standalone and rewire.

Still investigating but this is inconstant with my other apps.

Seriously how many devices are you using in each track? I'm on a 2.7 intel core i5 16 GB ram and I can run all my songs without problems

With 12 core you would think he should be able to run whatever he desires but I heard something about Reason actually performs better on CPUs with high single core speeds not necessarily many cores. I'm guessing raising the buffer size probably helps a bit as it should give the cores more "space" to work together.

I think with a proper freeze function, many people in general wouldn't be that worried about high CPU use as they could freeze the CPU intensive devices keep adding more stuff and unfreezing when they need to make a change to the performance. I'm kind of guessing Freezing will come whenever they decide to update the GUI as you would need to quickly be able to know if a track is frozen or not regardless of what view in Reason you are in.

[Rason]

Hi. It is good to hear that version 10 has the same performance as 9.5 but what about 8 vs 10? Anyone woud be able to advise? Excluding vsts. I am on R8 and having 3.2 i5 with 16gb ram I am afraid I would end up regreting after the update. I have the money for update so I can do it right away but if the performance should go down I want to get new processor first. Thanks.

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[Voyager]

Why you guys are bringing your GPU card specs ? i mean GPU aren't needed for daw or at least a simple video card should be ok or i'm missing something here ?

[jwd606]

Hi. It is good to hear that version 10 has the same performance as 9.5 but what about 8 vs 10? Anyone woud be able to advise? Excluding vsts. I am on R8 and having 3.2 i5 with 16gb ram I am afraid I would end up regreting after the update. I have the money for update so I can do it right away but if the performance should go down I want to get new processor first. Thanks.

You can download a demo version of R10. I did this, and compared to R9.

R10 uses noticeably more CPU power/energy when the same demo song is played on both versions.

[Rason]

Why you guys are bringing your GPU card specs ? i mean GPU aren't needed for daw or at least a simple video card should be ok or i'm missing something here ?

It actually matters. When I have some bigger project playing and I e.g scroll quickly by the mixer channels it stops with computer slow message. When I do the same slowly it wont happen. I have old low end card tho.

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[Rason]

Hi. It is good to hear that version 10 has the same performance as 9.5 but what about 8 vs 10? Anyone woud be able to advise? Excluding vsts. I am on R8 and having 3.2 i5 with 16gb ram I am afraid I would end up regreting after the update. I have the money for update so I can do it right away but if the performance should go down I want to get new processor first. Thanks.

You can download a demo version of R10. I did this, and compared to R9.

R10 uses noticeably more CPU power/energy when the same demo song is played on both versions.

Yeah ill try to do it i didnt realize i could demo it having other version installed.

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[tumar]

You can download a demo version of R10. I did this, and compared to R9.

R10 uses noticeably more CPU power/energy when the same demo song is played on both versions.

I did so and have same experience. Plus: one Europa instance choked my computer (long evolving pad on Macbook Pro Retina 15 i7 2.2 ghz). I was loyal customer and supporter, but that all became ridiculous. R9.5 is the last version I bought - unless they fix CPU usage.
Thanfkfully, Ableton Live 10 is just around the corner...

[RandyEspoda]

I can use a LOT of Europa's together, dsp doesn't even reach three bars. That's with a Lynnfield i7, lol.
Reading this thread, I'm glad I was never into Apple. Their latest cell phone thingy is a prime example of what kind of money they steal from you for ...what ? A 'gadget' that breaks if you look t it wrong :p

[tumar]

I can use a LOT of Europa's together, dsp doesn't even reach three bars. That's with a Lynnfield i7, lol.
Reading this thread, I'm glad I was never into Apple. Their latest cell phone thingy is a prime example of what kind of money they steal from you for ...what ? A 'gadget' that breaks if you look t it wrong :p

Yeah, I know... But CPU problems occurs and annoys on Reason. My machine works pretty fine with Presonus Studio One Pro and Ableton Live. Something wrong happened to Reason on Mac after v.9.
And yes, dsp doesn't reach 3 bars, but audio goes crazy crackling and stuttering. Of course, I can raise it to 1024+ samples, but I need live setup without latency.

[miscend]

You can download a demo version of R10. I did this, and compared to R9.

R10 uses noticeably more CPU power/energy when the same demo song is played on both versions.

I did so and have same experience. Plus: one Europa instance choked my computer (long evolving pad on Macbook Pro Retina 15 i7 2.2 ghz). I was loyal customer and supporter, but that all became ridiculous. R9.5 is the last version I bought - unless they fix CPU usage.
Thanfkfully, Ableton Live 10 is just around the corner...

Europa barely even made the meter blip on my old computer.

[jlgrimes]

Any on notice any differences between in 10 to 9.52 in performance, VST utilisation, under the hood improvements ? Obviously excluding the additional content .
Also is it normal for 9.52 to be updated now 10 is out historically ( newbie here ).

I don’t seem to notice much improvements. However I learned that if I raise my buffer to maximum,Reason becomes very CPU efficient. Probably true for any DAW though and definitely is not a viable solution if you need low latency.