PH makes subscriptions?
This is a smart move by the Props to help REs remain viable in the big wide world of VSTs. Only time will tell if it works, or if REs will go the way of the dinosaur.
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I've no problem with this tbh. I mean the standard bundle is 9EU p/m. I *definitely* spend more than 108EU a year on REs and tbh, a lot of them sit unused (you know how it is, 9EU here, 9EU there, and you never open it again). It'd take 44 months before you've actually spent the value of the products. More than enough time, I'd say, to save a little money and invest in the ones you want to keep.
When it comes to having too much choice and too many devices...I mean that's ultimately on us, as producers. And it's not exclusive to Reason either. There are far more VSTs out there than REs, and many of them are free. I'd not say that that's a barrier to me making music. It just means I have to be selective in terms of what I really need.
Sometimes with Reason I'll just limit myself to the Reason Devices category before I start looking at my REs and VSTs. It's healthy to work with limitations sometimes!
But yeah, super interesting. I hope it makes RE development a more attractive prospect for some of my favourite devs!!
When it comes to having too much choice and too many devices...I mean that's ultimately on us, as producers. And it's not exclusive to Reason either. There are far more VSTs out there than REs, and many of them are free. I'd not say that that's a barrier to me making music. It just means I have to be selective in terms of what I really need.
Sometimes with Reason I'll just limit myself to the Reason Devices category before I start looking at my REs and VSTs. It's healthy to work with limitations sometimes!
But yeah, super interesting. I hope it makes RE development a more attractive prospect for some of my favourite devs!!
Very interesting. Will demand some discipline and good planning. Hopefully it can stimulate more creativity.
Guess PH will mention it in the next Livestream on friday. Paying €129 for an upgrade might have to wait a bit
when one is on the R9.5. But for all of those who are a few steps back in the version, they might see one more
benefit to upgrade to the latest as many of the recent RE's needs a higher version of the software to function.
Guess PH will mention it in the next Livestream on friday. Paying €129 for an upgrade might have to wait a bit
when one is on the R9.5. But for all of those who are a few steps back in the version, they might see one more
benefit to upgrade to the latest as many of the recent RE's needs a higher version of the software to function.
Make music shake again!
So long as they don't apply it to Reason itself and don't remove the option to buy REs I think it's a good idea. I'd certainly be very interested if they found a way to apply it to expensive VSTs such as ozone/neutron etc.
As for the dependance issues some have raised regarding song backwards compatibility, I would use bounce to track for my subscription REs. Not perfect but gives you some protection from having 'holes' in your song files.
As for the dependance issues some have raised regarding song backwards compatibility, I would use bounce to track for my subscription REs. Not perfect but gives you some protection from having 'holes' in your song files.
I can see how it's an attractive offer for some, but it makes me nervous. I REALLY don't want PH to go full Adobe. I certainly would sack Reason off entirely if that happened.
I think that wouldn't end well for PH if they tried it. I think we might well see side-by-side subscribe or purchase options for Reason itself though.
I think that wouldn't end well for PH if they tried it. I think we might well see side-by-side subscribe or purchase options for Reason itself though.
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You can still buy REs. But I did notice that Tube-Tech isn't there. In the RT interview PH did state that 100% of REs will be available though, so I guess that means it's coming?Zac wrote: ↑09 Oct 2017So long as they don't apply it to Reason itself and don't remove the option to buy REs I think it's a good idea. I'd certainly be very interested if they found a way to apply it to expensive VSTs such as ozone/neutron etc.
As for the dependance issues some have raised regarding song backwards compatibility, I would use bounce to track for my subscription REs. Not perfect but gives you some protection from having 'holes' in your song files.
As far as applying it to Reason...I mean, again, I think there will *always* be the option to buy so it really shouldn't affect us negatively if they do decide to take Reason in this direction, which tbh, isn't impossible.
Having a regular, consistent cash flow in between updates and without relying entirely on Rack Store sales could be very good for Reason development. But - and I say this as someone with a LOT of love for Reason - I think it would have to come with nothing short of a legally binding agreement to work on the core program I mean personally, I would happily pay 10 bucks a month instead of 129 every year if it meant that there was a timeline for features like folder tracks, multi-channel MIDI, a better audio editor, continued VST optimisation, custom content locations and maybe a little sweetener like a new rack added to your collection every now and then (kinda like XBox Live's Games with Gold plan; every month you get a handful of games for free in addition to access to the platform).
That's how I would envisage it anyway. I feel like a Reason sub is probably on the way. But I wouldn't panic too much. No-one will force you to do it, just like no-one is forcing you to rent REs. Interesting times ahead, though!
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Yeah I hope any sort of subscription model they implement will always be optional. Otherwise it would be very disappointing to say the least.
I want to pay for my stuff once and then I want to own it.
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it can work alright cause codemeter protection can offer time based licenses, i have used this to try the sim/game Steel Beasts Pro (Time-Limited License) for one month some time ago (reason 30day trial works that way too probably)
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VST's - that occurred to me as well. Fab Filter Pro Q 2 would be sweet.
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As much as anyone can own anything, I guess! I've bought a bunch of games digitally and if for whatever reason the platform ceases to exist I'll have no rights to the software. Sucks but it's kind of the nature of the beast. But yeah I mean in general I will pay full price up front if it means owning it, whatever that means in the context of non-tangible goods.
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Sorry got that wrong, €400 worth of Re's for €9 a month. Just done a tally on what I'd like and it came to nearly €1700 lol! so I'd definitely need the €29 €3000 Re package (Large).Creativemind wrote: ↑09 Oct 2017Just over £8 a month on the standard one in English money, hmmmm, not a bad deal though. a €1000 worth of Re's. Sounds very tempting actually.
Just as long as Reason doesn't go down this road.
They need one for €2000 worth of Re's too. That would apply to me and working it out, would be around €24 a month.
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Ah the old Apple trick. Offer people 16GB and 64GB but no 32GB. So their choices are "what I can afford but nowhere near enough" or "more than I need but more than I wanna pay"Creativemind wrote: ↑09 Oct 2017Sorry got that wrong, €400 worth of Re's for €9 a month. Just done a tally on what I'd like and it came to nearly €1700 lol! so I'd definitely need the €29 €3000 Re package (Large).Creativemind wrote: ↑09 Oct 2017Just over £8 a month on the standard one in English money, hmmmm, not a bad deal though. a €1000 worth of Re's. Sounds very tempting actually.
Just as long as Reason doesn't go down this road.
They need one for €2000 worth of Re's too. That would apply to me and working it out, would be around €24 a month.
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Yeah. It's like dangling a carrot in front of a hungry donkey.chimp_spanner wrote: ↑09 Oct 2017Ah the old Apple trick. Offer people 16GB and 64GB but no 32GB. So their choices are "what I can afford but nowhere near enough" or "more than I need but more than I wanna pay"Creativemind wrote: ↑09 Oct 2017
Sorry got that wrong, €400 worth of Re's for €9 a month. Just done a tally on what I'd like and it came to nearly €1700 lol! so I'd definitely need the €29 €3000 Re package (Large).
They need one for €2000 worth of Re's too. That would apply to me and working it out, would be around €24 a month.
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I'm guessing this subscription model only applies to Reason 9 or above owners? Some Re's wouldn't be available otherwise.
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The minimum subscription length is 1 month.
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It worked out well for Adobe - they did a simultaneous buy or subscribe thing then just removed the buy option. They have made a killing from it, but the flipside is that their development of new features and speed fixing bugs has become laughably slow. They don't need to because everybody is locked in. However they have a pretty unassailable monopoly in the (visual) creative industries and Propellerhead certainly don't in music production.I think that wouldn't end well for PH if they tried it. I think we might well see side-by-side subscribe or purchase options for Reason itself though.
I think it is inevitable that they will go full subscription for Reason, but they'll do it slowly. First RE bundles, then RE with Reason bundles, then finally only RE with Reason bundles.
If they ever do, it gotta be multiple options.
Monthly as it is right now, and half a decade plans for whatever price they can think of.
Or just keep the buy option alongside the subscription model and not confuse it's user-base beyond that.
Monthly as it is right now, and half a decade plans for whatever price they can think of.
Or just keep the buy option alongside the subscription model and not confuse it's user-base beyond that.
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I've got a real "make hay while the sun shines" mentality - in all circumstances I want to pay all the money now while I can afford it rather than pay lots of different subscriptions into an uncertain future. I always buy the phone, and then find the cheapest SIM-only unlimited data plan. I hate the thought of being tied in to paying big money regularly. Makes me anxious.
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