SSL EQ - anyone using it *not* in 'E' mode?
The SSL EQ is my go to EQ. (Edit: Love the low and high pass filters!) I wish it had more bands. I wish the low mid band went below 200k. But it works great...on 'E' mode. For my purposes the non 'E' standard mode never seems to work, it seems like to blunt a tool, too many frequencies affected. I will allow that I may well be influenced by the curves on display, I haven't extensively tested it without the visuals. But I'll switch back and forth and always end up on 'E' mode.
What am I missing?
What am I missing?
Last edited by mbfrancis on 16 Aug 2017, edited 3 times in total.
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I mostly use it on E mode too. The exception is when I am just wanting to roll off low frequencies or top end.mbfrancis wrote: ↑16 Aug 2017The SSL EQ is my go to EQ. I wish it had more bands. I with the low mid band went below 200k. But it works great...on 'E' mode. For my purposes the non 'E' standard mode never seems to work, it seems like to blunt a tool, too many frequencies affected. I will allow that I may well be influenced by the curves on display, I haven't extensively tested it without the visuals. But I'll switch back and forth and always end up on 'E' mode.
What am I missing?
It is really easy to use thr SSL with E mode to carve out space in the instrument tracks to let the Vocals tracks pop through.
Pretty much this.raymondh wrote: ↑16 Aug 2017I mostly use it on E mode too. The exception is when I am just wanting to roll off low frequencies or top end.mbfrancis wrote: ↑16 Aug 2017The SSL EQ is my go to EQ. I wish it had more bands. I with the low mid band went below 200k. But it works great...on 'E' mode. For my purposes the non 'E' standard mode never seems to work, it seems like to blunt a tool, too many frequencies affected. I will allow that I may well be influenced by the curves on display, I haven't extensively tested it without the visuals. But I'll switch back and forth and always end up on 'E' mode.
What am I missing?
It is really easy to use thr SSL with E mode to carve out space in the instrument tracks to let the Vocals tracks pop through.
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Agreed, I almost exclusively use it in 'E' mode. I'd prefer for that to be the default, really.
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G Mode works more like a Pultec, if only in the sense it is useful for broad strokes. I find the broad approach useful for balancing a mix, and the surgical approach better for repairing problems with your tracks/mix.
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I used to use E Mode on almost every channel. I'd usually click it on before even starting to EQ. Recently, I've been leaving it off (known as "G" Mode) and I've NOT been using the RTA visualizer - just my ears (what a concept lol). Very smooth and musical. I think I understand why it's the default now.
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Thanks for reminding me that E mode even exists. I always forget. For some reason I always assumed G on the tightest Q setting would be tighter than E but it's not even close. Will have to use E more.
I start with G-mode and only switch to E-mode if I need it.
Cool, thanks everyone, OK seems I'm not totally alone.
One thing I messed with once was routing *everything* in my mix to one SSL bus channel so I could use the SSL EQ on the whole mix, where I could see using the G-mode more. But it's a pain to set up, and messy/confusing in Reason w/ high track counts.
Yeah I need to start using my ears more. But when I reach for EQ it's usually to take something out.esefelipe wrote: ↑17 Aug 2017I used to use E Mode on almost every channel. I'd usually click it on before even starting to EQ. Recently, I've been leaving it off (known as "G" Mode) and I've NOT been using the RTA visualizer - just my ears (what a concept lol). Very smooth and musical. I think I understand why it's the default now.
One thing I messed with once was routing *everything* in my mix to one SSL bus channel so I could use the SSL EQ on the whole mix, where I could see using the G-mode more. But it's a pain to set up, and messy/confusing in Reason w/ high track counts.
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I'm using the Eq less and less instead I'm trying to effect the source of the sound. When I use the Eq it is 90% G mode. I don't like how Eqs effects the sound anymore
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Excellent. I've been trying this for mixing this morning. There's something nice about staying within the console, so to speak. I have two monitors actually, so I have the visualiser over on the 2nd monitor. Like esefelipe says though, it's great using just the rotaries and my ears. The visualiser is there so I can look over after and see what it looks like.esefelipe wrote: ↑17 Aug 2017I used to use E Mode on almost every channel. I'd usually click it on before even starting to EQ. Recently, I've been leaving it off (known as "G" Mode) and I've NOT been using the RTA visualizer - just my ears (what a concept lol). Very smooth and musical. I think I understand why it's the default now.
The crazy thing is that by just using rotaries and the smooth G eq you can get a sound sitting really well in the mix with the other instruments. Then when you look over to the visualiser at what you've actually done, you think: there's no way I would have drawn that if I was looking at the visualiser in the first place. It doesn't "look right".
Then you realise how perfectly daft this is that you let yourself be influenced by the look!
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The real fun with Reason's SSL mixer comes when you control it via Softube's Console 1.
... and also a rack version of the Bus Compressor.
Yes...I often *don't* use the SSL EQ because I want the EQ settings saved with the patch.
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The SSL EQ is my goto EQ because you can open it with F3 very easy. But it needs adjustable slopes for the low and high cut filters.
Same here x1000. It's so easy to get caught up in how it looks rather than how it sounds.esefelipe wrote:Exactly this.tobypearce wrote:Then when you look over to the visualiser at what you've actually done, you think: there's no way I would have drawn that if I was looking at the visualiser in the first place. It doesn't "look right".
I find it best to use both approaches, each with their own advantages/disadvantages. As long as you are aware how much the visuals can affect your perception (one of what I call the "gotchas" of audio), you can make all your tools work for you, and not get caught having your tools work against you!
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The SSL E was never meant for surgical work but more for shaping a sound.mbfrancis wrote: ↑16 Aug 2017The SSL EQ is my go to EQ. (Edit: Love the low and high pass filters!) I wish it had more bands. I wish the low mid band went below 200k. But it works great...on 'E' mode. For my purposes the non 'E' standard mode never seems to work, it seems like to blunt a tool, too many frequencies affected. I will allow that I may well be influenced by the curves on display, I haven't extensively tested it without the visuals. But I'll switch back and forth and always end up on 'E' mode.
What am I missing?
This concept (and thread) is reinforcing a concept in my mind that so much of mixing pleasure (for me at least) is to use your ears and hands only, to make constant changes to a mix and get something dialed in quickly. For me, I find that this can get me in a flow so fast, and becomes one of the most enjoyable things during music production.
And I love love love Reason (been using it since before the Record days), and the biggest drawback to me is the whole mix using a mouse on a screen. So, two things:
One, I don't want to hijack this thread, so will keep it to this statement, and then peel off into another post if needed:
Two, I'm a hardware product designer/engineer by day, and have seriously been considering building an SSL control surface for the Reason SSL mixer for my own use. I want flying faders, knobs, OLED displays showing the current plugin names/track names, the whole shebang. Basically, I want *every* function of the Reason SSL mixer available to me in touch control surface, and have it be as bidirectional as possible. I want that ears/hands feedback loop to happen in Reason. Been using the software long enough, it's time to have some hardware alongside it.
If others are interested in knowing more, I'll start a new thread. Apologies if I took this one too far sideways from the EQ "E" mode!
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Yes, tell us more about your project!amcjen wrote: ↑21 Aug 2017This concept (and thread) is reinforcing a concept in my mind that so much of mixing pleasure (for me at least) is to use your ears and hands only, to make constant changes to a mix and get something dialed in quickly. For me, I find that this can get me in a flow so fast, and becomes one of the most enjoyable things during music production.
And I love love love Reason (been using it since before the Record days), and the biggest drawback to me is the whole mix using a mouse on a screen. So, two things:
One, I don't want to hijack this thread, so will keep it to this statement, and then peel off into another post if needed:
Two, I'm a hardware product designer/engineer by day, and have seriously been considering building an SSL control surface for the Reason SSL mixer for my own use. I want flying faders, knobs, OLED displays showing the current plugin names/track names, the whole shebang. Basically, I want *every* function of the Reason SSL mixer available to me in touch control surface, and have it be as bidirectional as possible. I want that ears/hands feedback loop to happen in Reason. Been using the software long enough, it's time to have some hardware alongside it.
If others are interested in knowing more, I'll start a new thread. Apologies if I took this one too far sideways from the EQ "E" mode!
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yep - E mode more and more. And then holding down the ALT key to dial-in Q while dragging around the points in the Spectrum EQ window.
shouldn't gotcha be in the witchcraft and warlocks thread under curses, yet i agreeselig wrote: ↑18 Aug 2017Same here x1000. It's so easy to get caught up in how it looks rather than how it sounds.esefelipe wrote:
Exactly this.
I find it best to use both approaches, each with their own advantages/disadvantages. As long as you are aware how much the visuals can affect your perception (one of what I call the "gotchas" of audio), you can make all your tools work for you, and not get caught having your tools work against you!
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