You can Now Rent to Own plugins !?!
I think the point of this is not to keep paying for SERUM for ever and ever Like a Sub services... but it's rather like using a credit card and paying the Credit card company per month ....Maybe Minus the interest (I didn't read the fine prints) and also you can pause pay if you don't have that $9.99 for a month or so.
My opinion is that Propellerhead REASON needs a complete rewrite!
P.S: people should stop saying "No it won't happen" when referring to a complete rewrite of REASON. I have 3 letters for ya....VST
Mon Dec 11, 2017 1:53 pm
P.S: people should stop saying "No it won't happen" when referring to a complete rewrite of REASON. I have 3 letters for ya....VST
Mon Dec 11, 2017 1:53 pm
Many of us have presented this idea for Rack Extensions many times only to have it shot down by so many... I guess they were afraid it would mean they wouldn't be able to own REs and everything would become subscription-based only. Many were probably just haters who didn't like the idea of Propellerhead and developers making money and others would keep saying, "Use your 30 day trial efficiently and buy something if you need it." And never seeing the benefit and need for a system like this
I had a poll in the PUF suggesting where 50% of people voted "no" ...even when I explained that users would still have the option to buy, it would be up to the individual developers (developers could decide if a particular RE could be rented and if so if it could be 'rent to own') and some people were still afraid of it. It was confusing.
I had a poll in the PUF suggesting where 50% of people voted "no" ...even when I explained that users would still have the option to buy, it would be up to the individual developers (developers could decide if a particular RE could be rented and if so if it could be 'rent to own') and some people were still afraid of it. It was confusing.
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I don't understand your comment about haters, I would never buy on the never never and I don't want to rent stuff, I buy out right, so Propellerhead and developers do make money !!joeyluck wrote:Many of us have presented this idea for Rack Extensions many times only to have it shot down by so many... I guess they were afraid it would mean they wouldn't be able to own REs and everything would become subscription-based only. Many were probably just haters who didn't like the idea of Propellerhead and developers making money and others would keep saying, "Use your 30 day trial efficiently and buy something if you need it." And never seeing the benefit and need for a system like this
I had a poll in the PUF suggesting where 50% of people voted "no" ...even when I explained that users would still have the option to buy, it would be up to the individual developers (developers could decide if a particular RE could be rented and if so if it could be 'rent to own') and some people were still afraid of it. It was confusing.
Also this is a funny comment others would keep saying, "Use your 30 day trial efficiently and buy something if you need it.", that's pretty good advice, why buy something you don't want?
Not sure what you mean by "I would never buy on the never never"?Carly(Poohbear) wrote:
I don't understand your comment about haters, I would never buy on the never never and I don't want to rent stuff, I buy out right, so Propellerhead and developers do make money !!
But in any case, you don't need to rent stuff when it's only an option
The point being that it is not always about that. And another point being that it would not remove your ability to buy.Carly(Poohbear) wrote:Also this is a funny comment others would keep saying, "Use your 30 day trial efficiently and buy something if you need it."
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Payment plans, rent to buy is a form of payment plan..joeyluck wrote:
Not sure what you mean by "I would never buy on the never never"?
Hmm... dunno. It'll still be very easy to just download and use a warezed version. It's rather a 3 days trial, with the option to test it further with small payments, and if you really like it, but can't afford it atm, you can do monthly, or more, payments, until you own it. I don't think it will really stop piracy, to the contrary, the big "advantage" of warez is that you can download them, for free, right now, without any further hassle. And for some, it's a downright sport to collect warezed software. I knew a guy who had several terrabyte big harddrives in his computer, just to be able to save all his warezed films, music, and software.boobytrap wrote:this is one way to stop piracy.. everyone can use any VST. this is very future !
not 100%. maybe 30%.. some people use pirated VST even if they rich. some use pirated VST until they find the money and then buy it. they have a chance to pay monthly without interest. there are no way to stop piracy with this internet system.chk071 wrote:Hmm... dunno. It'll still be very easy to just download and use a warezed version. It's rather a 3 days trial, with the option to test it further with small payments, and if you really like it, but can't afford it atm, you can do monthly, or more, payments, until you own it. I don't think it will really stop piracy, to the contrary, the big "advantage" of warez is that you can download them, for free, right now, without any further hassle. And for some, it's a downright sport to collect warezed software. I knew a guy who had several terrabyte big harddrives in his computer, just to be able to save all his warezed films, music, and software.boobytrap wrote:this is one way to stop piracy.. everyone can use any VST. this is very future !
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For people who don't have the $100 to $200 it takes to buy a plugin this rent to own idea is great. Usually all of the music gear I've ever purchased have been financed into monthly payments and this is basically no different. You're always gonna have your pirates, but some people just pirate out of necessity until they can afford it. This gives people the option to have legitimate products, and I think it would work great. Imagine using PH's RE store, selecting a bunch of REs during a sale like May Madness, and setting up a credit card for the monthly payments. Guaranteed there would be more sales if this were an option. And if the user decided not to pay or couldn't afford to, those REs could be disabled until payments resume.
It IS different in a VERY big and important way IMO, which you mention here:OverneathTheSkyBridg wrote:For people who don't have the $100 to $200 it takes to buy a plugin this rent to own idea is great. Usually all of the music gear I've ever purchased have been financed into monthly payments and this is basically no different.
There is no installment plan for music gear that lets you start/stop the process as you are able, or allows you to rent once then come back months later and decide to purchase for the remainder of the price (or to continue renting until you're paid up).OverneathTheSkyBridg wrote:And if the user decided not to pay or couldn't afford to, those REs could be disabled until payments resume.
As Joey mentions, this was suggested for REs many times by many of us and seemed to fall on deaf ears at the time… ;(
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Yes it. But I don't know uf you pay a tax every time you pay the 9.99. Or is it simply 9.99 flat fee.Carly(Poohbear) wrote:Payment plans, rent to buy is a form of payment plan..joeyluck wrote:
Not sure what you mean by "I would never buy on the never never"?
My opinion is that Propellerhead REASON needs a complete rewrite!
P.S: people should stop saying "No it won't happen" when referring to a complete rewrite of REASON. I have 3 letters for ya....VST
Mon Dec 11, 2017 1:53 pm
P.S: people should stop saying "No it won't happen" when referring to a complete rewrite of REASON. I have 3 letters for ya....VST
Mon Dec 11, 2017 1:53 pm
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Doesn't seem like a bad idea. I might have taken this offer up if I didn't already own Serum.
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Retailers of physical gear DO have a recourse of non payments of installments by taking steps to repossess said gear, though in the physical world that's probably more of a pain in the ass than in the software world, especially the one PH has cultivated where use of products depends on a verified license and account. I could finance thousands of dollars worth of physical outboard gear and simply cancel my credit card afterwards if I wanted, thus forcing the retailer to undertake collection action against me. If I chose to drag out this process and make it as difficult as possible the retailer may likely weigh the cost of collection against their losses and decide to just say fuck it. It would definitely be a dirt bag move on my part, but in the end if I didn't give a shit about my credit rating I'd be walking away with a butt load of free shit.selig wrote:It IS different in a VERY big and important way IMO, which you mention here:OverneathTheSkyBridg wrote:For people who don't have the $100 to $200 it takes to buy a plugin this rent to own idea is great. Usually all of the music gear I've ever purchased have been financed into monthly payments and this is basically no different.
There is no installment plan for music gear that lets you start/stop the process as you are able, or allows you to rent once then come back months later and decide to purchase for the remainder of the price (or to continue renting until you're paid up).OverneathTheSkyBridg wrote:And if the user decided not to pay or couldn't afford to, those REs could be disabled until payments resume.
As Joey mentions, this was suggested for REs many times by many of us and seemed to fall on deaf ears at the time… ;(
But on the plugin / PH end of things if I didn't pay what I agreed to my license for these products could be suspended until I paid in full, and that's why I believe this rent to own method could be a good thing for developers of software music products across the board.
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Maybe if you'd said not 'up to the developers' rent or buy, not one or the other. That would work. So you could rent it or buy it.joeyluck wrote: I had a poll in the PUF suggesting where 50% of people voted "no" ...even when I explained that users would still have the option to buy, it would be up to the individual developers (developers could decide if a particular RE could be rented and if so if it could be 'rent to own') and some people were still afraid of it. It was confusing.
In this case, a good idea would be hire purchase, so you can rent, buy or hire purchase. Hire Purchase would be a little dear, say 20% on top per month. So if a vst or Re was £9.99 or $9.99 a month, then you'd pay £1.99 or $1.99 more a month but after x amount of months, maybe 12 you owned the plug-in.
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No I said up to the developer to offer the option to rent it in addition to buying. All of us who like the idea have stressed that the option to buy would never go away for a single RE. I just think the additional option to be able to rent should be left to the individual developers.Creativemind wrote:Maybe if you'd said not 'up to the developers' rent or buy, not one or the other. That would work. So you could rent it or buy it.joeyluck wrote: I had a poll in the PUF suggesting where 50% of people voted "no" ...even when I explained that users would still have the option to buy, it would be up to the individual developers (developers could decide if a particular RE could be rented and if so if it could be 'rent to own') and some people were still afraid of it. It was confusing.
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Installment plans? That would never work! I mean, if it did, they would do this for houses or cars. Wait...joeyluck wrote:No I said up to the developer to offer the option to rent it in addition to buying. All of us who like the idea have stressed that the option to buy would never go away for a single RE. I just think the additional option to be able to rent should be left to the individual developers.Creativemind wrote:Maybe if you'd said not 'up to the developers' rent or buy, not one or the other. That would work. So you could rent it or buy it.joeyluck wrote: I had a poll in the PUF suggesting where 50% of people voted "no" ...even when I explained that users would still have the option to buy, it would be up to the individual developers (developers could decide if a particular RE could be rented and if so if it could be 'rent to own') and some people were still afraid of it. It was confusing.
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Sorry misinterpreted what you said. Good idea. As long as the 'to buy' option wasn't taken away.joeyluck wrote:No I said up to the developer to offer the option to rent it in addition to buying. All of us who like the idea have stressed that the option to buy would never go away for a single RE. I just think the additional option to be able to rent should be left to the individual developers.Creativemind wrote:Maybe if you'd said not 'up to the developers' rent or buy, not one or the other. That would work. So you could rent it or buy it.joeyluck wrote: I had a poll in the PUF suggesting where 50% of people voted "no" ...even when I explained that users would still have the option to buy, it would be up to the individual developers (developers could decide if a particular RE could be rented and if so if it could be 'rent to own') and some people were still afraid of it. It was confusing.
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Why a company or developer would not want to have every possible way to earn income is beyond me.
That being said I'm no fan of subscription based software .....except when it makes sense... to me, office 365 makes sense, but adobe cloud does not....sadly i have to pay for both and one is far too expensive in my humble opinion.
As for RE's being rent to own, if it increases revenue then why would anyone want to block it? In the end the end users have zero say, only the props and devs.
That being said I'm no fan of subscription based software .....except when it makes sense... to me, office 365 makes sense, but adobe cloud does not....sadly i have to pay for both and one is far too expensive in my humble opinion.
As for RE's being rent to own, if it increases revenue then why would anyone want to block it? In the end the end users have zero say, only the props and devs.
Hi...Just in case I might miss understand you...you agree with the rent to own system is that right? And your not saying that this is a subscription service right?Faxxer wrote:Why a company or developer would not want to have every possible way to earn income is beyond me.
That being said I'm no fan of subscription based software .....except when it makes sense... to me, office 365 makes sense, but adobe cloud does not....sadly i have to pay for both and one is far too expensive in my humble opinion.
As for RE's being rent to own, if it increases revenue then why would anyone want to block it? In the end the end users have zero say, only the props and devs.
My opinion is that Propellerhead REASON needs a complete rewrite!
P.S: people should stop saying "No it won't happen" when referring to a complete rewrite of REASON. I have 3 letters for ya....VST
Mon Dec 11, 2017 1:53 pm
P.S: people should stop saying "No it won't happen" when referring to a complete rewrite of REASON. I have 3 letters for ya....VST
Mon Dec 11, 2017 1:53 pm
While I have used subscription business models in the past, I'd prefer to have rent to own where payments END at some time. I know I'm weird right? lolpjeudy wrote:Hi...Just in case I might miss understand you...you agree with the rent to own system is that right? And your not saying that this is a subscription service right?Faxxer wrote:Why a company or developer would not want to have every possible way to earn income is beyond me.
That being said I'm no fan of subscription based software .....except when it makes sense... to me, office 365 makes sense, but adobe cloud does not....sadly i have to pay for both and one is far too expensive in my humble opinion.
As for RE's being rent to own, if it increases revenue then why would anyone want to block it? In the end the end users have zero say, only the props and devs.
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